emerald tablets of thoth?

[darron]

i have a question pertaining to these tablets. what exactly is the use for these artifacts, i read a little bit of it and am quite confused. :(

[CFTraveler]

The tablets are documents that show how a certain belief system may have come down from one culture to another, the greek (Hermes) from the Egyptian (Thoth).
Like any other artifact, it has historical value.
Unless you mean something else?

[darron]

someone told me that the tablets have an anceint magik value to them, but i dont seem to see the value in them maybe its the fact that i havent read it all, i noticed that it mentioned the vibrations, and everything. but i still dont see anything that appears to be "ancient Magik"

[Aunt Clair]

The tablets are legendary and Alexander the Great supposedly had a set of the Emerald green Tablets with the riddle to ascension upon it. The lines of prose teach a method of meditation to begin and continue ascension of the consciousness. The tablet may appear on the human energy body at the completion by jewel toned emerald green colours upon the chest. My own exegesis of the method is that the mystic should dump water and earth energy and raise fire to heat remaining air energy and from this attain lift to Kether to dwell albeit for a short time with monad and source.

This is translated by Issac Newton c. 1680.

1) Tis true without lying, certain & most true.
2) That wch is below is like that wch is above & that wch is above is like yt wch is
below to do ye miracles of one only thing.
3) And as all things have been & arose from one by ye mediation of one: so all things
have their birth from this one thing by adaptation.
4) The Sun is its father, the moon its mother,
5) the wind hath carried it in its belly, the earth its nourse.
6) The father of all perfection in ye whole world is here.
7) Its force or power is entire if it be converted into earth.
7a) Seperate thou ye earth from ye fire, ye subtile from the gross sweetly wth great
indoustry.
8 ) It ascends from ye earth to ye heaven & again it desends to ye earth and receives ye
force of things superior & inferior.
9) By this means you shall have ye glory of ye whole world & thereby all obscurity
shall fly from you.
10) Its force is above all force. ffor it vanquishes every subtile thing & penetrates
every solid thing.
11a) So was ye world created.
12) From this are & do come admirable adaptaions whereof ye means (Or process) is
here in this.
13) Hence I am called Hermes Trismegist, having the three parts of ye philosophy of
ye whole world.
14) That wch I have said of ye operation of ye Sun is accomplished & ended.

For more translations visit: http://www.sacred-texts.com/alc/emerald.htm
Image :
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Links to more on the Emerald Tablets
http://forums.riverofenlightenment.com/ ... ml#msg4598 (http://forums.riverofenlightenment.com/index.php/topic,1613.msg4598.html#msg4598)
http://forums.riverofenlightenment.com/ ... 358.0.html (http://forums.riverofenlightenment.com/index.php/topic,358.0.html)

[darron]

thank you

[Maat]

Hello all. I am new to this forum and kind of stumbled on it as I queried the question of "WHO ARE UNTANAS, QUERTAS, CHIETAL,and GOYANA, HUERTAL, SVETA--ARDAL" ? I began reading the Emerald tablets to Thoth and they were mentioned. The paragraph read:

By their names I call them to aid me,
free me and save me from the darkness of night:
UNTANAS, QUERTAS, CHIETAL,
and GOYANA, HUERTAL, SEMVETA--ARDAL.
By their names I implore thee,
free me from darkness
and fill me with LIGHT

Can someone help me to understand who they are. I tried googling each name but it only referred me back to the Emerald Tablets.

[CFTraveler]

Hi Maat.
They should all reference to the Emerald Tablets, because theoretically the tablets are the oldest documents that introduce them, and theories/beliefs/mythology sprang from them. I believe the Templars used them, and modern-day occultists and New Agers ('official New Agers' that is, since they are part of the cosmology) also refer to them.

According to the emerald tablets, these names are the names of seven lords that rule/protect seven paths. The paths have numerical value each: Untanas (Three). Quertas (Four), Chietal (Five), Goyana (six), Huertal (Seven), Semveta (Eight), Ardal (Nine). Each path has also a dominant color, and significance. For example, Lord Untanas is described by the number three- trinity meaning the Godhead, for example, and a path of transformation.
http://hoovillecanada.spaces.live.com/b ... !336.entry (http://hoovillecanada.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!4CD4785AAD0D3B52!336.entry)

Looking at more 'modern' sources and translations can give you more insights as to what they're about: For example:
"Lords are guardians of each path- The seven Cosmic Lords of Amenti Overlight these higher earthly rays as well as the first three rays of Power, Love and Wisdom. These Cosmic Lords are Lord Untanas, Lord Quertas, Lord Chietal, Lord Goyana, Lord Huertal, Lord Semveta and Lord Ardal." This is a New Age interpretation according to their cosmology, with each lord overseeing 'rays' of 'light' representing archetypal forces.
http://www.greatdreams.com/color-energies.htm

Now, I liked this source of information (it is a forum), because the poster did research into the Sumerian names and did some nice integration of information and theories: Now here, the 'Lords' (Guardians) are 'Keys:' and they are described thusly:

"In the Emerald Tablet of Thoth we find this;
3,4,5,6,7,8,9=7 keys.

3=Untanas =dark power,key of all magic,underworld.

4=Quertas loosens power,frees souls

5=Chietal master of all

6=Goyana lord of light,hidden path

7=Huertal lord of space and time

8=Semveta progress,judges

9=Ardal Father

Horlet is master of Unal

Undal island still exists

dark prince of Arulu
realm of Ekershegal "

The conversation goes on with more information and research.

http://forums.atlantisrising.com/ubb/Fo ... 37-14.html (http://forums.atlantisrising.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000637-14.html)

I don't know if this cleared anything up, but it sure was interesting.

[Aunt Clair]

The Magician King Solomon had the ark of the covenant
sheltered in his temple and the statues of Cherubim
guarded it just as the Throne Angels guard the feet of God.
The kerub had 4 heads a Hermetic Set.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_DeutwC_pLZ0/S ... erkaba.jpg (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_DeutwC_pLZ0/SatxeFkUoZI/AAAAAAAAA8k/Ny3vRM95hT0/s400/Ezekiel-Vision-Merkaba.jpg)
The Merkabah is a double tetrahedron which was seen by the prophets Elijah and Mohammed as a Kerubim. This Chariot of Fire was seen by the prophets who told of traveling in one with angels to learn.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_h13olVN68GU/S ... 103jpg.jpg (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_h13olVN68GU/SSyQGlB1soI/AAAAAAAACq0/F8GSsSiMgh8/s400/MERKABAH+ESTRELAS+m42-direct-g103jpg.jpg)

Bishop Ireneaus of Lyons France decided which codices and scrolls would become part of the Bible. He determined that there should be 4 main Gospels
one for each part of the Compass and Hermetically chose them as the Sphinx

Eagle~ John
Lion ~ Mark
Bull~ Luke
Angel/Human ~ Matthew (The human ascends and becomes an angel )
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_H_YV13bgS2s/S ... Kerubs.jpg (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_H_YV13bgS2s/Sf2HiB2aDFI/AAAAAAAAAqo/k_IDM4JZLTA/s200/Kerubs.jpg)

Irene omitted the Divine Feminine from the collection of scriptures
called the Holy Bible. He also omitted the Gospel of Mary, and the Gospel of Christ and the Gospel of Judas which was recently rediscovered.

The Bull, lion, eagle and human angel are present in the Tree of Life in ancient Baghdad 4600 years ago and in;
A rough and non inclusive hierarchy in order of time ;

Cardinal Constellations
The Tree of Life
The Sphinx of Ancient Egypt
The Cherubim and the Chariot of Fire
The Kaballah
The Hermetic Principles
Ascension Alchemy
The Gospels
Tarot

There are numerous correspondences that are drawn to this Hermetic Set
Here are some ;
Element..............EARTH...WATER................ .....FIRE...........AIR
Motto of the Sphinx.Velle.....Tacere.....................Audere ........Noscere/Scire
Meaning of Motto...To Will....To Hold onto w/o words.To Dare.......To Know
Magick................OBE.......Healing........... .........Mysticism.....Ascension
Animal of Sphinx.....Bull/Cow.Eagle/Dragon/Serpent...Lion..........Human/Angel
Principle.............Life........Love............ ...........Light..........Laughter
Angel.................Raphael...Michael........... ........ Auriel.........Gabriel
Gate of Death........Love......Justice............... Truth & Light......Healing
....................... & Unfinished Business
Gospel............... Luke.......John.......................Mark........ ...Matthew
Cosmic Body.........Earth.......Moon..................... .Sun............ Star
State......... Body/Physical..Mind/Mental....Soul/Emotional.....Spirit/Spiritual
Tarot.........Pentacles/Discs.Cups/Grail..Wands/Staves/Rods/Clubs..Swords
Tarot Nature........ Energy......Love................... Struggles........Conflicts
.......................Workings...Relationships... ........Overcome...... Inspirations
Colour................Red.........Blue............ ........Yellow...........Green

The Human Energy Body continues to develop with time and dedication and becomes more sophisticated in its sacred geometry. The basal merkabah is around each human it will typically be a monochromatic double tetrahedron
but it becomes rainbow coloured and multistellated

In the Emerald Tablet these correspondences give a method to project from the body to ascend to Kether/Samadhi on the Axis Mundi and attain unio mystica .

Sit in dim light in Sacred Space in throne pose
deep cleanse breathe down from crown to toes
raise energy up from toes to heart exhale partly
raise energy to brow centre and release and let go
sit in the now

II then ;
dump earth energy out of the heart , palms and heels
take in water energy from above the crown
use water to flow and clean out the body of more dirt
from mouth, nose, heart , palm and heels
take in fire from below the feet
use it to dry out the water
take in more fire from below to heat remaining air
when the energy body is heated air
it will ascend to Kether
and be able to communicate with Godhead for a precious but short time
as long as the mystic can maintain trance


Earth is Step I Bull
It is salmon red , heavy warm damp dark passive negative and male it anchors and ground us by dumping it , we rise .Despite earlier descriptions that only females are negative and passive and evil. SIGH

Water is Step II Eagle
It is indigo, heavy cold wet dark passive negative and female and it rinses us clean but it is very heavy so we let it go.

Fire is Step III Lion
It is orange, light hot dry bright active positive and male and it heats and illuminates. By bringing fire to the third eye we can see clairvoyantly

Air is Step IV Angel
It is light cool damp bright active positive and female. It is green like the emerald it lifts us up out of the body in the lightest form of projection so that we can attain reunion with Godhead.
http://www.azothalchemy.org/images/emer ... _trans.jpg (http://www.azothalchemy.org/images/emerald_tablet_new_trans.jpg)
1) This is true and remote from all cover of falsehood
2) Whatever is below is similar to that which is above. Through this the marvels of the work of one thing are procured and perfected.
3) Also, as all things are made from one, by the consideration of one, so all things were made from this one, by conjunction.
(We are all from Godhead made in the image of elohim and to God we can return in the light body by the sacred marriage or conjunction of the sun and the moon.)
4) The father of it is the sun, the mother the moon.
(The sunstone is the chest;chi/qi flowing through fire.The moonstone is the head;shen fire flowing through water. These are mature elements which nurture the juvenile earthstone which is the belly; ching/jing flowing through earth. It is by drawing the higher vibrations of the sun and moon into the belly that the magician can cure it and lift it up and raise the vibration of the earth within them and their own vibration. )
5) The wind bore it in the womb. Its nurse is the earth, the mother of all perfection.
( Wind is air above the head in the Heavenstone last to manifest on the magician's energy body through meditation and development of the human energy body. And in the core of the earthstone is ching/jing which is a higher vibration of air energy. The tan tien is like a wick of a candle it is the reciprocal energy of the stone in which it occurs. The Earth is our mother and the earth is the child of God Sun and Goddess Moon but the Earth has a child and that is air the princess who lifts us in ascension and who will come one day as an avatar.)
6a)Its power is perfected.
7) If it is turned into earth,
(without the air (ching/jing) running through the Earthstone there is no fruit on the Tree of Life which is our spine ; our axis mundi.)
7a) separate the earth from the fire, the subtle and thin from the crude and course, prudently, with modesty and wisdom.
(remove earth energy , flush out more with water, dry this up with fire then the body is not crude and dense but filled with bright light and it is lightened like air )
8 8) This ascends from the earth into the sky :mrgreen: and again descends from the sky to the earth, and receives the power and efficacy of things above and of things below.
( The mystic magician will attain Kether for a time and then coming back to the body will have learnt esoteric wisdoms and gained siddhi powers in each subsequent journey back to Kether/Samadhi)
9) By this means you will acquire the glory of the whole world, and so you will drive away all shadows and blindness.
( the obscurities of fear are removed, there is hope in reunion with Godhead, the eye shall see clairvoyantly and no longer be blind to the sight of angels and Mahatma)
10) For this by its fortitude snatches the palm from all other fortitude and power. For it is able to penetrate and subdue everything subtle and everything crude and hard.
(The magician will raise their vibration to be able to see clairvoyantly, hear clairaudiently , fly in projection and attain Kether/Samadhi)
11a) By this means the world was founded
12) and hence the marvelous conjunctions of it and admirable effects, since this is the way by which these marvels may be brought about.
13) And because of this they have called me Hermes Tristmegistus since I have the three parts of the wisdom and Philsosphy of the whole universe.
( 3 times is a trinity ; Father , Mother , Child & Father , Son, Holy Ghost & Mother , Maiden , Crone & Shiva, Shakti and Skanda w/Jyoti et al. But also the 3 works of Earth, Moon and Sun yield the Heavens. And ; white~albedo, yellow~ citrinitas, green~ the green lion , black~nigredo , red~ rubedo, purple the peacock's tail, To manifest akashic moon is the Opus Minus to manifest the golden amoris sun is the Magnum Opus)
14) My speech is finished which i have spoken concerning the solar work
(The Work of the Sun is but one work. There are works within each work and the path is eternal and infinite. When a work is accomplished a finer one awaits...)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Trea ... edicine%29 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Treasures_%28traditional_Chinese_medicine%29 )
http://www.soul-guidance.com/houseofthe ... my%202.htm (http://www.soul-guidance.com/houseofthesun/alchemy%202.htm)
http://www.azothalchemy.org/images/emer ... _trans.jpg (http://www.azothalchemy.org/images/emerald_tablet_new_trans.jpg)

[Tutor]

A.C.,

good day, :o

tim

[Aunt Clair]

A.C.,no offense, :?

but seems subjective to my reading of your post.
It is my exegesis and therefore by definition it will be subjective because it is based upon my experience.

as far as i may feel to see, and perhaps, somewhat thinking to see (50/50). :| :?:

to me, it is like a sojourning pilgrim finding him/her self at the very open gate, only to turn around :idea: and go back to retrieve his/her Bible which they'd left at the Inn.
Are you implying that the Bible is an anchoring impediment that you would rather be left to collect dust as a doorstop or are you attempting to articulate that the Bible is a Rosetta Stone which reveals all so sufficiently that no other key is necessary?

that is what i mean by 'subjective', or subjectivity. it is one thing to value such a writing, or writings, for what within is occultly divulged;
Does this mean the Emerald Tablet should be valued as an artefact upon a shelf but that it shoul have remained unsolved without any attempt to interpret it ?

but it is another thing, having with sight given from such a writing, or writings, to imagine that the writing's importance is such that it is the key, or keys, to a closed gate or perhaps either of several doors, when in fact said gate is wide open simply in receiving one with sight to see it open.
Are you saying that you have attained Kether and dwell there 24/7 ?If so, will you teach us how? Or are you implying that the gate is open wide when we die so we should wait until then?

no punctuated assembly of lettered words is free from being a conjuration, regardless if pure ignorance is streaming spoken/written thoughts. 'all' delivers one into that place/location which they presently standing are, or perhaps, where they are not, if ambition has them by the uttering throat in a dead run.therefore, expositions are good tools with which to ponder from, yet tools are heavy in the search for what is 'light'. sadly reckoned, it is oft forgotten that any and every one is everybit light, both concealed in the manifest, and manifest in the concealed, manifest being everybit 'revealed' as any and every 'you' in and of it.a child requires nothing to speak of, no weapon which offended would defend, for a simple fallen tree branch picked up off the wooded floor suffices to be what the imagination puts into it. the self-same is true for any written artifice, which as a weapon has caused much death, whereas the child picking up a simple stick through playful imagination has slain no life in it. innocense is a wonder to behold; yet lost to the pretentious adult who holds without beholding and is very one which would intentually pull the wool over the child's innocent eyes. thus is magic, be it white or black, or any subjective admixture in the twain of right and left or up and down or round about.innocense is the true magic, the miracle of life kept sacredly real. whereas the unkempt ways of sordid pretentiousness would steal the very eyes in the quickness of hand.eye - sight of openness trued four squares, as if carpenter's squares (L), antahkarana cubed and central of the merkeba. a man eats himself 3 square a day, he given his daily bread. yet, man is more than his bread, and one square remains out of sight, him very self co-dependenty cycling round after round...ad infinitum.what of this 4th square, and how, pray tell, does a one have sight of them very self. wine or blood, not of the body or mindedness; but rather of the heart, for the heart freshly feeds itself before ever a fresh drop is delivered in replenishment to an insatiable body of. :?:

err, the merkaba powered by extraneous functions without complaint, alit in service to pretentious self-ignorance freely choosing, but everybit deliverable of consequential interdependence.Does this mean that you find projection a waste of time and something which can become an addiction? Or does it mean that you wish you could fly in projection but have not recalled doing so yet? Who are you calling pretentious and self ignorant?

this, while in the heart of it, the true self has sank, the very hearted one has sank to low places, seeking what is already themself, unknowing of their knowing, without one iota of self-understanding, that would in remembrance of innocense set them free.ergo, truth is innocense re-cognized and re-membered in to it, as one's very self awakened to the folly of ways outward into the broader affairs deliverable to consequential breaking of very hearted wonder.what need has innocense for any thing besides it's true nature and good name retrieved - Human.no contest charged, no offense intended, merely innocent words to quench the thirst for thoughted wonder with which from to ponder.child of wonder, child of God, aha...Mother who fed me my first nourishing blood from within your very own body of, show to me who I myself am???, for i am more than my Father's good name which i have wretchedly exploited and defamed.the soul is the self/life, and by nature it is confoundingly conductive of each of us, even as we never are not Human/s by character.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xqp1U6RoQaw
and when the child having come through his/her ways is 13, after the Mother has had Her natural sunny day in Her child's unique nature, then to the Father's ways is the child given wholey to the name; and the name is IOESUS, as it ever was, as it ever is, as it ever shall be. all of this, family, being God, where the child is two, nature and name, reckoned and becoming one in and of the Holy Union of two, nature and name, that are parentally one.and an unclothed child through an open gate steps, a gate of anticipation from a father's first lasting and waiting gaze upon the child's blessed arrival at long last to be first in gaze upon Him.a child in the body of children,tim
:?: I listened to the song on your link and read your discourse. I suppose you are attempting to say that the humans should live a simple life and not be concerned with magic, mysticism,ascension and projection. We should eat,sleep, repopulate and remain as innocent as we can until we die like bunny rabbits happy for some veg. If so, I disagree. The purpose of life is to learn. It is through our curiousity that we explore our universe and understand our raison d'etre. God gave us eyes to see , ears to hear and metaphysical senses to fly and to learn in dreamstate lessons and in meditation. If you meant to imply something else, please state it in brevity with clarity.

[darron]

wow hijacked. but thank you Aunt Clair, you post was very enlightening.

[Mica]

This post could very well earn me a lot of flak from the other members here, but I just could not sit back complacently and say nothing after reading this thread.

First off, I just want to preface by saying that I am open to whatever beliefs people have, and have no interest in trying to enforce my own beliefs onto others or in saying that my beliefs and views are more "right" or whatever. I affirm the wonderful diversity of perceptions, beliefs, and perspectives, etc of each individual's experience. Secondly, I am also aware of the danger that holding on to rigid structures of belief can have, and feel strongly that it is important to let the world’s established spiritual traditions guide your soul evolution without getting too attached to their structure and content. One should not mistake the map for the real landscape. Please understand that I am not writing from this place.

Why I am writing this, however, is because I believe it is nevertheless important to pay due respect to the power the different spiritual traditions have by not muddling them up with our own ideas and beliefs, and projecting on to them what we want them to be, rather than taking the time and effort to understand them for what they really are.

What I have read here concerning the Emerald Tablets makes me shake my head.

It is very important to understand that this sacred text comes out of the Hermetic alchemical tradition, and it is so important, for real understanding, to place the text within that context, rather than removing it from its context and placing it in whatever frame of beliefs you happen to be into. You would not take the Lord's Prayer and place it in the context of modern UFOology cults, saying that whoever wrote that was praying to space aliens. This would be ridiculous and would be demeaning both to yourself and to the Christian spiritual tradition.

It is weird how commonly even the word "alchemy" is misused and thrown on as a label for almost every conceivable spiritual exercise. This makes it very difficult for the average seeker to understand what legitimate alchemy is, as it has been known throughout the centuries. This has to do I think with how most people using the word ascribe any spiritual or energetic transformation (especially from a lower frequency to a higher one) to “alchemy”. The inherent problem is that this isn’t necessarily wrong. But exactly how the ancient alchemists understood the principles, mechanics, and nature of this transformation brings us into a very specific and precise doctrine and set of practices; a unique methodology all its own. So, unfortunately, the more modern, very generalized (yet not incorrect) definition has occluded the specificity of the tradition itself.

The Emerald Tablet is simply an exceedingly concise teaching on the alchemical formula of "Solve et Coagula" (which takes a lifetime - if you're lucky - to really understand and master). This is the formula that stands at the heart of all laboratory work and operations. There is a little theory going around that all the work in the lab was just a metaphor for the "real, spiritual, inner process". This is utter nonsense and easily shows itself to be so, if we only just take a brief look at the actual lives of the alchemists. They were all actively involved in working with matter - from Morienus to Nicholas Flamel to Fulcanelli. All were involved in studying and utilizing physical processes with physical substances in an actual, physical laboratory. This is not to say that there isn't an inner, spiritual side to the work. But this "philosophical" side was always hand-in-hand with the manual labor. In fact, there is every reason to believe that they saw the manual labor as inherently spiritual and philosophical in and of itself. Our problem is that we are living in a world where science and spirituality have become divorced (although thanks to quantum physics, this is slowly being resolved), but this is only a recent fracture, stemming mostly from the impact Descartes' ideas have had in our world.

So, with all due respect, it is not a teaching on how to "dump" your watery and earthly nature to unite with Kether, and it is not a set of instructions on how to ascend by working with your energy body. There is absolutely nothing in the alchemical literature talking about sunstones and moonstones and earthstones in the body. These may be legitimate practices, and if they work for you, that’s awesome! But this is not what the alchemists throughout history were doing or talking about.

And all the stuff about "UNTANAS, QUERTAS, CHIETAL", I really don't know what this is from, but this is NOT from the Emerald Tablet, and has nothing to do with the real text passed down to us from the ancients. It sounds like some modern New Age channeled or invented text, and someone ignorantly decided it would be a good idea to slap the same title onto it. Maybe they thought there was some connection, or maybe they just wanted their ideas to get more attention. I don't know. I'm not saying there isn't some great stuff in this other text. I don't know, I haven't looked at it. It just isn't the Emerald Tablet of Hermes-Thoth (Hermes Trismegistus).

However, if you are actually into learning what the Emerald Tablet was really about, I can make a few suggestions. While I personally don't agree with everything this author says, Rubaphilos Salfluere's "The Hermes Paradigm" has, near the end of the book, what I believe to be (besides the famous Golden Chain of Homer) the best and most informative commentary on the Emerald Tablet ever published. As Rubaphilos is a very competent and experienced practicing alchemist himself, he really does know what he is talking about, and is one of the few people qualified to write a commentary on this text. Also, for alchemical symbolism in general, a good resource is Adam Maclean's "Study Course on alchemical symbolism". Interestingly enough, his first lesson is mostly a lecture on exactly what I am saying here: that if we wish to understand alchemical symbolism, then it is vital not to project our own ideas onto it or interpret it through our own filters, but to let the symbolism, the text and the tradition as a whole speak for itself; let it speak to you first, before you form any opinion. Ironically, Adam uses various interpretations of the Emerald Tablet to illustrate his point. However, while Adam is one of the few writers on the subject who has deeply and thoroughly studied the Hermetic alchemical tradition, please keep in mind that Adam is not a working alchemist, and so a lot of what he says is not based in genuine experience.

Ok, this rant has gone on long enough. I hope I haven’t offended anyone by this, and if I have, I sincerely apologize.

[darron]

ITS PEANUT BUTTER JELLY TIME!

wow this post has been around for awhile, but i see what ya mean mica.

[Aunt Clair]

...it is nevertheless important to pay due respect to the power the different spiritual traditions have by not muddling them up with our own ideas and beliefs, and projecting on to them what we want them to be,

It is natural and necessary to view new experiences based upon what is already known and understood, this is called metasynthesis and it is an aspect of mature learning. It is not "muddling"about.


rather than taking the time and effort to understand them for what they really are.

But, if someone would have taken the time and effort to read eclectically about the Emerald Tablets they would certainly have discerned that Alchemy has branches of plant, metal and Hermetic Magick.

Hermetic Alchemy is an ancient mystical path having a basis in the ancient cultures in ; Egypt , India, Greece, Middle East , Asia, Europe et cetera .


It is very important to understand that this sacred text comes out of the Hermetic alchemical tradition, and it is so important, for real understanding, to place the text within that context, rather than removing it from its context and placing it in whatever frame of beliefs you happen to be into.

The Bible is a sacred text although there is written within one of its books what has been called the 'Biblical Emerald Tablet', the Emerald Tablet itself is not a sacred text.

The Emerald Tablet is a few lines of cryptic text which demonstrates a Hermetic method for the magician to complete;

*the Little Work aka Opus Minus aka Work of the Moon to manifest Akasha

* the Great Work aka Magnum Opus aka Work of the Sun to manifest golden fire energy aka Sun or Amoris. http://www.alchemywebsite.com/images/atal17.jpg

* and the culmination of the Emerald Works which manifests a noble Air energy to begin projection of consciousness to the Higher Planes, Kether, the Elohimic Realms and further Alchemical Ascension.
The Emerald Tablet is about Hermetic Philosopher Ascension Alchemy and not about Metal Alchemy.


You would not take the Lord's Prayer and place it in the context of modern UFOology cults, saying that whoever wrote that was praying to space aliens. This would be ridiculous and would be demeaning both to yourself and to the Christian spiritual tradition.

The Emerald Tablet is not sacred. It is merely one text used by Hermetic Alchemists whom are not of any particular religion. Jews, Muslims and Christians have completed the Alchemical Works so have pagans, and wiccans et cetera. Each culture has been able to climb the Tree of Life. Each culture can complete the Emerald Tablet, too.


It is weird how commonly even the word "alchemy" is misused and thrown on as a label for almost every conceivable spiritual exercise. This makes it very difficult for the average seeker to understand what legitimate alchemy is, as it has been known throughout the centuries.

That ONE "Legitimate Alchemy" does not exist and never did. But Plant and Herb Alchemy, Metal Alchemy and Hermetic Alchemy do exist. Alchemy is a transmutational pathworking concerning changing the base nature to a sublime one.

Metal Alchemy is based upon searching for a way to change lead to gold.

Hermetic Alchemy is based upon finding a way to manifest the alchemical Moon and Sun within the human energy body, to attain henios and to build up the light quotient of the human energy body from base primitive unaware man in the leaden state to a state of golden enlightenment and self realization. It involves the evocation of the 4 archangels or the 5 helpers http://www.alchemywebsite.com/images/bonus11.jpg
and the control of the 5 tattwas of the ancient Hindu Sacred Texts.

It is the synthesis, amalgamation and integration of eclectic sacred texts and alchemical texts of this world met in reading and contemplation and in the next as met in meditation, mysticism and projection. Kabballah is one example of a spiritual pathworking towards ascension , the Emerald Tablet is another.


This has to do I think with how most people using the word ascribe any spiritual or energetic transformation (especially from a lower frequency to a higher one) to “alchemy”. The inherent problem is that this isn’t necessarily wrong.

That's because it isn't wrong, at all. It is the definition of the practice. Ascension of the consciousness, enlightenment and self realization is the reason for Hermetic Alchemy.


But exactly how the ancient alchemists understood the principles, mechanics, and nature of this transformation brings us into a very specific and precise doctrine and set of practices; a unique methodology all its own. So, unfortunately, the more modern, very generalized (yet not incorrect) definition has occluded the specificity of the tradition itself.

Please elucidate that "specificity of the tradition itself" .


The Emerald Tablet is simply an exceedingly concise teaching on the alchemical formula of "Solve et Coagula" (which takes a lifetime - if you're lucky - to really understand and master). This is the formula that stands at the heart of all laboratory work and operations. There is a little theory going around that all the work in the lab was just a metaphor for the "real, spiritual, inner process". This is utter nonsense and easily shows itself to be so, if we only just take a brief look at the actual lives of the alchemists.

A quick squiz of the Alchemy Web by Adam Mclean should demonstrate that Hermetic Philosophers were alchemists of the soul and mind and not of metal and toxins with a curious glass apparatus or two.


They were all actively involved in working with matter - from Morienus to Nicholas Flamel to Fulcanelli.

Actually, that is incorrect. On the Alchemy Web of Adam Mclean you will find art by mystics who never messed about with metal alchemy at all.

Jacob Boehme, for example is a noted mystic alchemist. His drawings demonstrate how to transmute the energy body for the expansion of consciousness . He created a map of the celestial planes. He is much more like Robert Monroe than like a metal alchemist.

In fact, Nicholas Flamel was also a philosopher;
http://www.alchemywebsite.com/images/amcl154.jpg

Thurneisser was a Hermetic Mystic Alchemist
http://www.alchemywebsite.com/prints_se ... isser.html (http://www.alchemywebsite.com/prints_series_thurneisser.html)
http://www.alchemywebsite.com/images/amcl_th02.jpg

Tetrapolar Hermetic Limbs coloured as Air, Fire, Water, Earth
http://www.alchemywebsite.com/images/amcl_th08.jpg
Subtle energy body auric layers

Mylius was a Hermetic Mystic Philosopher Alchemist . He wrote
"Philosophia Reformata",
http://www.alchemywebsite.com/prints_series_mylius.html
http://www.alchemywebsite.com/images/amcl_my17.jpg
MY17. Engraving 17 from, J.D. Mylius Philosophia reformata, Frankfurt, 1622
Using Fire and Air to lift the magician from heavy water body
http://www.alchemywebsite.com/images/amcl_my01.jpg
pictoral exegesis of the Emerald Tablet
http://www.alchemywebsite.com/images/amcl_my02.jpg
Qabalistic Cross and control of 4 Hermetic elemental energies
and another philosopher's pictoral exegesis of the ET
http://www.alchemywebsite.com/images/atal02.jpg

LaBugia was another philosopher alchemist.
http://www.alchemywebsite.com/images/amcl_lb05.jpg
Drain the body of water dry it out to fly

Frerer was a Christian Mystic Hermetic Alchemist
In this image of the Spinal Tree of Life he illustrates the stones or energy sections of the Tree of Life ;
http://www.alchemywebsite.com/images/amcl_freher10.jpg
HeavenStone ~ supernal
MoonStone ~ head
SunStone ~ chest
EarthStone ~ belly
HelsStone ~ infernal

Just as Hermetic Alchemists today do not bother with poisons and metals or trying to make lead into gold, anciently there have been Philosophers who did not meddle with metal alchemy, either.

The Philosopher's Stone is afterall for Philosophers and this has always been the case. The Emerald Tablet, Hermetic art, Tarot Cards, The Kabballah and the Ten Step Path of the Magician are the scaffolding used today by Hermetic Philosopher Alchemists.


All were involved in studying and utilizing physical processes with physical substances in an actual, physical laboratory

Google and learn. Alchemy has been pursued by mystics without any physical laboratory workings since ancient times. For example , Rabbis who studied Kabballah did not try to spin lead into gold like Rumplestiltskin spun straw.Instead, they fasted, contemplated, meditated and studied and some of these projected as mystics. This is the alchemy of the ancients.


This is not to say that there isn't an inner, spiritual side to the work. But this "philosophical" side was always hand-in-hand with the manual labor. In fact, there is every reason to believe that they saw the manual labor as inherently spiritual and philosophical in and of itself. Our problem is that we are living in a world where science and spirituality have become divorced (although thanks to quantum physics, this is slowly being resolved), but this is only a recent fracture, stemming mostly from the impact Descartes' ideas have had in our world.

I don't think ancient Eygptians knew what a Bain Marie was. Do you ? But they did wrap the organs of the mummified into a Hermetic set of 4 ,Sons of Horus headed Canopic jars and they did have a Tree of Life and a belief in ascension of consciousness on earth and in the afterlife.

So, do we have evidence that all ancient alchemists sought to change lead to gold? Did the ancient rabbis ? Did the rishis? Did the Eleusians? No.


So, with all due respect, it is not a teaching on how to "dump" your watery and earthly nature to unite with Kether, and it is not a set of instructions on how to ascend by working with your energy body. There is absolutely nothing in the alchemical literature talking about sunstones and moonstones and earthstones in the body. These may be legitimate practices, and if they work for you, that’s awesome! But this is not what the alchemists throughout history were doing or talking about.
You type "with all due respect" as you disparage my works but you speak about "dump"s and "nonsense". I have been a Mystic Hermetic Alchemist for decades. I am 55. This is my life's major work. I have studied it exhaustively. And I am writing a series of books about it. I have written 410 pages so far but it is an ongoing process because I am learning faster than I can write it down.

A picture is worth a thousand words. These are images from Hermetic Alchemists culled from alchemical texts as displayed on Adam Mclean's Alchemy Web site; http://www.alchemywebsite.com/amclglr1.html

http://www.alchemywebsite.com/images/amcl5.jpg
This is the Tree of Life.The left pillar is the black mother and moon . The right pillar is the white father and sun.

http://www.alchemywebsite.com/images/amcl6.jpg
This clearly denotes the microcosm which is in the Sun in the chest of the magician
and the macrocosm to which the magician projects, out of the body.

http://www.alchemywebsite.com/images/amcl7.jpg
This shows the Tree of Life within the Alchemist's apparatus . Note that the air is rising from the water just as the magician does in projection by dumping the water energy with the help of the green lion which is a metal alchemists verdigris but herein is the tattwas of air and fire used to lift the magician in projection from the body.

http://www.alchemywebsite.com/images/amcl8.jpg
This is an image of the Jardin D'Alchemiste in the Higher Planes note the 4 tattwas personified on the corners. As above so below. As in heaven so on Earth. As on the earthly so in the replica superetheric plane. As on the perineum so on the crown.

http://www.alchemywebsite.com/images/amcl9.jpg
Manly Palmer was a Gnostic Christian, Hermetic Alchemist and Mystic. This is his work. He got his kicks above the collar and was not a metal alchemist. The human energy body is personified here; The earthstone is the cross the red earth energy in the belly, the sunstone is yellow sun and fire energy in the chest.

The MoonStone is the blue white moon and water energy in the head. Above the crown are the rose and lily as Father and Mother Father Godhead
http://www.alchemywebsite.com/images/amcl291.jpg
as the Red and White Works; Opus Rubedo and Opus Albedo.

http://www.alchemywebsite.com/images/amcl10.jpg
This is the magician as the Hermaphrodite above the world with the help of the Green Fire. This is about Kabballah and Hermetic Alchemy and not metal.
http://www.alchemywebsite.com/images/amcl11.jpg
This is a depiction of the Qabalistic Cross . The evocation of 4 archangels and 4 corners, the 4 elements which was placed in the ritual of the pentagrams by Eliphas Levi two centuries later. Neither were metal alchemists.
http://www.alchemywebsite.com/amclglr2.html
http://www.alchemywebsite.com/images/amcl30.jpg
http://www.alchemywebsite.com/images/amcl110.jpg
Demonstrating the tetrapolar limbs of the magician;
The right arm is fire
the left arm is water
the right leg is earth
the left leg is (clouds) air
http://www.alchemywebsite.com/images/amcl45.jpg
The Tree of Life
MoonStone white lotus blossom head
SunStone yellow sun chest
EarthStone red belly
arms branches
legs roots
spine trunk

http://www.alchemywebsite.com/images/amcl45.jpg
The Green Lion is a stage in metal alchemy but it is also a metaphor for the green lion is air which is hungry to eat the sun or fire. Air which is heated by Fire energy lifts the magician in projection. In circle we were taught about the green lion as mystics by archangels and other mahatma. We also learnt that the red lion eats the moon. That is that earth absorbs water and helps to flush the heavier elements out of the body.

http://www.alchemywebsite.com/images/amcl219.jpg
A219.Frontispiece from Kenelm Digby, Demonstratio immortalitatis animae rationalis, Frankfurt 1664.
Demonstrating the immortal animation of the mind, after death.

http://www.alchemywebsite.com/images/amcl57.jpg
The staff of Hermes on the body the serpent of kundalini aids the magician's ascension by climbing up the Tree of Life which is the spine like a double helix of DNA.

http://www.alchemywebsite.com/images/amcl71.jpg
"Peering through the cosmic sphere" I don't think that mystic is looking into a glass tube for gold , do you?

http://www.alchemywebsite.com/images/amcl73.jpg
Hermes is holding a menorrah which is a very Jewish form of Tree of Life. This is Hermetic Kabballah.

http://www.alchemywebsite.com/images/amcl289.jpg
The Bain Marie is in the Head of the Mystic.

Finally ;
http://www.alchemywebsite.com/images/amcl158.jpg
A158. Woodcut from Ramon Lull, Liber de ascensu et descensu intellectus, Valencia, 1512. The Book of Ascension and descension of the consciousness.A Jacob's Ladder for the alchemist.

"Yes, there are two paths you can go back but in the long run, there's still time to change the road you're on"~ Stairway to Heaven by Led Zeppelin.

More on the Emerald Tablet ;
http://forums.riverofenlightenment.com/ ... n.html#new (http://forums.riverofenlightenment.com/index.php/topic,358.msg12332/topicseen.html#new)



I don't know. I'm not saying there isn't some great stuff in this other text.
I don't know, I haven't looked at it.

:?:

[gonashvili]

The paths have numerical value each: Untanas (Three). Quertas (Four), Chietal (Five), Goyana (six), Huertal (Seven), Semveta (Eight), Ardal (Nine). Each path has also a dominant color, and significance.

Can you please elaborate on this a bit? Or at least direct me to the source? heh thanks


Btw, I'm intrigued by the idea that these 7 lords are bogus :wacky1:
but still, it (their descriptions and direct quotes] sound umm..... logical/wise :|

[IA56]

It is natural and necessary to view new experiences based upon what is already known and understood, this is called metasynthesis and it is an aspect of mature learning. It is not "muddling"about.



But, if someone would have taken the time and effort to read eclectically about the Emerald Tablets they would certainly have discerned that Alchemy has branches of plant, metal and Hermetic Magick.

Hermetic Alchemy is an ancient mystical path having a basis in the ancient cultures in ; Egypt , India, Greece, Middle East , Asia, Europe et cetera .



The Bible is a sacred text although there is written within one of its books what has been called the 'Biblical Emerald Tablet', the Emerald Tablet itself is not a sacred text.

The Emerald Tablet is a few lines of cryptic text which demonstrates a Hermetic method for the magician to complete;

*the Little Work aka Opus Minus aka Work of the Moon to manifest Akasha

* the Great Work aka Magnum Opus aka Work of the Sun to manifest golden fire energy aka Sun or Amoris. http://www.alchemywebsite.com/images/atal17.jpg

* and the culmination of the Emerald Works which manifests a noble Air energy to begin projection of consciousness to the Higher Planes, Kether, the Elohimic Realms and further Alchemical Ascension.
The Emerald Tablet is about Hermetic Philosopher Ascension Alchemy and not about Metal Alchemy.



The Emerald Tablet is not sacred. It is merely one text used by Hermetic Alchemists whom are not of any particular religion. Jews, Muslims and Christians have completed the Alchemical Works so have pagans, and wiccans et cetera. Each culture has been able to climb the Tree of Life. Each culture can complete the Emerald Tablet, too.



That ONE "Legitimate Alchemy" does not exist and never did. But Plant and Herb Alchemy, Metal Alchemy and Hermetic Alchemy do exist. Alchemy is a transmutational pathworking concerning changing the base nature to a sublime one.

Metal Alchemy is based upon searching for a way to change lead to gold.

Hermetic Alchemy is based upon finding a way to manifest the alchemical Moon and Sun within the human energy body, to attain henios and to build up the light quotient of the human energy body from base primitive unaware man in the leaden state to a state of golden enlightenment and self realization. It involves the evocation of the 4 archangels or the 5 helpers http://www.alchemywebsite.com/images/bonus11.jpg
and the control of the 5 tattwas of the ancient Hindu Sacred Texts.

It is the synthesis, amalgamation and integration of eclectic sacred texts and alchemical texts of this world met in reading and contemplation and in the next as met in meditation, mysticism and projection. Kabballah is one example of a spiritual pathworking towards ascension , the Emerald Tablet is another.



That's because it isn't wrong, at all. It is the definition of the practice. Ascension of the consciousness, enlightenment and self realization is the reason for Hermetic Alchemy.



Please elucidate that "specificity of the tradition itself" .



A quick squiz of the Alchemy Web by Adam Mclean should demonstrate that Hermetic Philosophers were alchemists of the soul and mind and not of metal and toxins with a curious glass apparatus or two.



Actually, that is incorrect. On the Alchemy Web of Adam Mclean you will find art by mystics who never messed about with metal alchemy at all.

Jacob Boehme, for example is a noted mystic alchemist. His drawings demonstrate how to transmute the energy body for the expansion of consciousness . He created a map of the celestial planes. He is much more like Robert Monroe than like a metal alchemist.

In fact, Nicholas Flamel was also a philosopher;
http://www.alchemywebsite.com/images/amcl154.jpg

Thurneisser was a Hermetic Mystic Alchemist
http://www.alchemywebsite.com/prints_se ... isser.html (http://www.alchemywebsite.com/prints_series_thurneisser.html)
http://www.alchemywebsite.com/images/amcl_th02.jpg

Tetrapolar Hermetic Limbs coloured as Air, Fire, Water, Earth
http://www.alchemywebsite.com/images/amcl_th08.jpg
Subtle energy body auric layers

Mylius was a Hermetic Mystic Philosopher Alchemist . He wrote
"Philosophia Reformata",
http://www.alchemywebsite.com/prints_series_mylius.html
http://www.alchemywebsite.com/images/amcl_my17.jpg
MY17. Engraving 17 from, J.D. Mylius Philosophia reformata, Frankfurt, 1622
Using Fire and Air to lift the magician from heavy water body
http://www.alchemywebsite.com/images/amcl_my01.jpg
pictoral exegesis of the Emerald Tablet
http://www.alchemywebsite.com/images/amcl_my02.jpg
Qabalistic Cross and control of 4 Hermetic elemental energies
and another philosopher's pictoral exegesis of the ET
http://www.alchemywebsite.com/images/atal02.jpg

LaBugia was another philosopher alchemist.
http://www.alchemywebsite.com/images/amcl_lb05.jpg
Drain the body of water dry it out to fly

Frerer was a Christian Mystic Hermetic Alchemist
In this image of the Spinal Tree of Life he illustrates the stones or energy sections of the Tree of Life ;
http://www.alchemywebsite.com/images/amcl_freher10.jpg
HeavenStone ~ supernal
MoonStone ~ head
SunStone ~ chest
EarthStone ~ belly
HelsStone ~ infernal

Just as Hermetic Alchemists today do not bother with poisons and metals or trying to make lead into gold, anciently there have been Philosophers who did not meddle with metal alchemy, either.

The Philosopher's Stone is afterall for Philosophers and this has always been the case. The Emerald Tablet, Hermetic art, Tarot Cards, The Kabballah and the Ten Step Path of the Magician are the scaffolding used today by Hermetic Philosopher Alchemists.



Google and learn. Alchemy has been pursued by mystics without any physical laboratory workings since ancient times. For example , Rabbis who studied Kabballah did not try to spin lead into gold like Rumplestiltskin spun straw.Instead, they fasted, contemplated, meditated and studied and some of these projected as mystics. This is the alchemy of the ancients.



I don't think ancient Eygptians knew what a Bain Marie was. Do you ? But they did wrap the organs of the mummified into a Hermetic set of 4 ,Sons of Horus headed Canopic jars and they did have a Tree of Life and a belief in ascension of consciousness on earth and in the afterlife.

So, do we have evidence that all ancient alchemists sought to change lead to gold? Did the ancient rabbis ? Did the rishis? Did the Eleusians? No.


You type "with all due respect" as you disparage my works but you speak about "dump"s and "nonsense". I have been a Mystic Hermetic Alchemist for decades. I am 55. This is my life's major work. I have studied it exhaustively. And I am writing a series of books about it. I have written 410 pages so far but it is an ongoing process because I am learning faster than I can write it down.

A picture is worth a thousand words. These are images from Hermetic Alchemists culled from alchemical texts as displayed on Adam Mclean's Alchemy Web site; http://www.alchemywebsite.com/amclglr1.html

http://www.alchemywebsite.com/images/amcl5.jpg
This is the Tree of Life.The left pillar is the black mother and moon . The right pillar is the white father and sun.

http://www.alchemywebsite.com/images/amcl6.jpg
This clearly denotes the microcosm which is in the Sun in the chest of the magician
and the macrocosm to which the magician projects, out of the body.

http://www.alchemywebsite.com/images/amcl7.jpg
This shows the Tree of Life within the Alchemist's apparatus . Note that the air is rising from the water just as the magician does in projection by dumping the water energy with the help of the green lion which is a metal alchemists verdigris but herein is the tattwas of air and fire used to lift the magician in projection from the body.

http://www.alchemywebsite.com/images/amcl8.jpg
This is an image of the Jardin D'Alchemiste in the Higher Planes note the 4 tattwas personified on the corners. As above so below. As in heaven so on Earth. As on the earthly so in the replica superetheric plane. As on the perineum so on the crown.

http://www.alchemywebsite.com/images/amcl9.jpg
Manly Palmer was a Gnostic Christian, Hermetic Alchemist and Mystic. This is his work. He got his kicks above the collar and was not a metal alchemist. The human energy body is personified here; The earthstone is the cross the red earth energy in the belly, the sunstone is yellow sun and fire energy in the chest.

The MoonStone is the blue white moon and water energy in the head. Above the crown are the rose and lily as Father and Mother Father Godhead
http://www.alchemywebsite.com/images/amcl291.jpg
as the Red and White Works; Opus Rubedo and Opus Albedo.

http://www.alchemywebsite.com/images/amcl10.jpg
This is the magician as the Hermaphrodite above the world with the help of the Green Fire. This is about Kabballah and Hermetic Alchemy and not metal.
http://www.alchemywebsite.com/images/amcl11.jpg
This is a depiction of the Qabalistic Cross . The evocation of 4 archangels and 4 corners, the 4 elements which was placed in the ritual of the pentagrams by Eliphas Levi two centuries later. Neither were metal alchemists.
http://www.alchemywebsite.com/amclglr2.html
http://www.alchemywebsite.com/images/amcl30.jpg
http://www.alchemywebsite.com/images/amcl110.jpg
Demonstrating the tetrapolar limbs of the magician;
The right arm is fire
the left arm is water
the right leg is earth
the left leg is (clouds) air
http://www.alchemywebsite.com/images/amcl45.jpg
The Tree of Life
MoonStone white lotus blossom head
SunStone yellow sun chest
EarthStone red belly
arms branches
legs roots
spine trunk

http://www.alchemywebsite.com/images/amcl45.jpg
The Green Lion is a stage in metal alchemy but it is also a metaphor for the green lion is air which is hungry to eat the sun or fire. Air which is heated by Fire energy lifts the magician in projection. In circle we were taught about the green lion as mystics by archangels and other mahatma. We also learnt that the red lion eats the moon. That is that earth absorbs water and helps to flush the heavier elements out of the body.

http://www.alchemywebsite.com/images/amcl219.jpg
A219.Frontispiece from Kenelm Digby, Demonstratio immortalitatis animae rationalis, Frankfurt 1664.
Demonstrating the immortal animation of the mind, after death.

http://www.alchemywebsite.com/images/amcl57.jpg
The staff of Hermes on the body the serpent of kundalini aids the magician's ascension by climbing up the Tree of Life which is the spine like a double helix of DNA.

http://www.alchemywebsite.com/images/amcl71.jpg
"Peering through the cosmic sphere" I don't think that mystic is looking into a glass tube for gold , do you?

http://www.alchemywebsite.com/images/amcl73.jpg
Hermes is holding a menorrah which is a very Jewish form of Tree of Life. This is Hermetic Kabballah.

http://www.alchemywebsite.com/images/amcl289.jpg
The Bain Marie is in the Head of the Mystic.

Finally ;
http://www.alchemywebsite.com/images/amcl158.jpg
A158. Woodcut from Ramon Lull, Liber de ascensu et descensu intellectus, Valencia, 1512. The Book of Ascension and descension of the consciousness.A Jacob's Ladder for the alchemist.

"Yes, there are two paths you can go back but in the long run, there's still time to change the road you're on"~ Stairway to Heaven by Led Zeppelin.

More on the Emerald Tablet ;
http://forums.riverofenlightenment.com/ ... n.html#new (http://forums.riverofenlightenment.com/index.php/topic,358.msg12332/topicseen.html#new)




:?:Hi Aunt Claire,
I put my hand´s togeather for you, and I mean it for real, not being ironical or els.
If you remember I did PM you for long time ago about how you can remember everything so well, I was so impressed by your knowledge, you never did give me any answere and I am very patience because I know that I will get my answeres in time, only waite and see....And now the ansere has come....and I use your own words....you have studied into exhaution....and you have...you have studied and then pratic and when the study and practis meet there is a staying knowledge left....heureka....or what it is called :-)
I am totally in awe of you work well done....I bow me for you in respect.

I am damaged by my childhood by having a direct contact to some-one who has guided and educated me...this ONE did tell me when I was a child...no need to study any book´s because the knowledge will be old and to no use for the most part...and I did never open my school book´s so my mother did always wonder why I never had home work as my sister had so much....I did not have high scores only averige...and there fore I never got to be what I wanted as a young women....so I have always had work and bean suporting me and my child with own work...The only time I have studied was when I did become a feet care taker and I did get the highest possible numbers, so by this I know I can understand a written text so to speak.

But what I am trying to tell is...that you Aunt C is incredible well studied women...I salute you!! and then you have own experience and all this turnes into knowledge....Well done!!

I will now ask you openly...Have I bean able to be clear if you remeber my PM to you what you never responded to...that you might have thought I was sarcatic or doubting your knowing?? I thought I felt this to be this way, and it was why I never tried to write or to ask several time´s about this issue.
You did not eighder never accepted my friend call, it is okay...So this time I do not ask anyone to be my friend...I love you all and I am everyone´s friend no matter what :-)
This time I have only asked Robert and sended him a friend request, and I understand that he can not respond to that, because then he has to respond to everyone els too....and I think he has made up his mind to be friend with few only, it is okay...I am happy to have deep understanding and as I also must have the right to choose my friends so this goes both way´s...

Now I have emty my chest...and feel free :-)

I hope I will be right understood, if not ...ah well...in time I will be :-)

Love
ia

[gonashvili]

anyways, did anyone tried his 'cure' for fatigue/vitality (the laying on the floor for two hrs one)

[CFTraveler]

Can you please elaborate on this a bit? Or at least direct me to the source? heh thanks


Btw, I'm intrigued by the idea that these 7 lords are bogus :wacky1:
but still, it (their descriptions and direct quotes] sound umm..... logical/wise :| Since someone decided to revive this thread three years later for some reason, I'll answer the question-
First of all, this has nothing at all to do with my beliefs regarding the emerald tablet, I was merely answering the OP's question regarding the names she quoted, as she was looking for info regarding this.
As the original link to the info is broken, I did another search and found this, which reads pretty similarly to the article I found originally.
http://www.alchemylab.com/thothtablets0.htm

As you can see, it is about the tablets, and the specific references to these characters are in the key of magic of said article.

--Please let's keep this civil.

[ButterflyWoman]

Since someone decided to revive this thread three years later for some reason
Apparently, just to be argumentative?