Are we assigned dark forces?

[watrinh]

Lately I've been thinking the reason as to why some people on the path gets targeted by dark forces. I've read somewhere that when an angel incarnates into the physical, there is a demon counterpart that manifests either in an incarnation as well or on the other side to keep things balanced. Could it be then, that each of us who starts to ascend into the light are targeted by dark forces for the same reason an angel has a demon assigned to him/her to maintain a balance?

Additionally, if we have an imperfection that can potentially cause immense emotional turmoil, we are not allowed to ascend with it. Even if we did not do something wrong, the imperfection may eventually harm those around us because as we ascend, we start to merge with the all as well. Does this sound true?

This is all from my own speculation and from some of the readings I've done.

[Serpentarius]

Lately I've been thinking the reason as to why some people on the path gets targeted by dark forces. I've read somewhere that when an angel incarnates into the physical, there is a demon counterpart that manifests either in an incarnation as well or on the other side to keep things balanced. Could it be then, that each of us who starts to ascend into the light are targeted by dark forces for the same reason an angel has a demon assigned to him/her to maintain a balance?

Balance of good/light and evil/dark? Does something like that even exist?

[watrinh]

I feel it does... Given that you're high enough in cultivation.

[CFTraveler]

I'm not a big believer in this, because both are concepts, and balance is what 'it' is to begin with- we just separate it to classify it better. So exists for us, while we manifest in the physical, but not in any 'primordial' way.
Now when it comes to angels/demons, it depends if you believe if they are part of the world of manifestation- if not in the way we think, then who knows what the rules (if any) are.

[Serpentarius]

I feel it does... Given that you're high enough in cultivation.
I don't feel anything like that. No power struggle, no dichotomy.

What do you mean by being high enough in cultivation?

[watrinh]

I don't feel anything like that. No power struggle, no dichotomy.

What do you mean by being high enough in cultivation?

What I mean by high enough in cultivation is your level of purity. One aspect of this is the more pure you are the less negative emotions and negative emotional responses manifests from you no matter what you encounter.

[Serpentarius]

I don't feel anything like that. No power struggle, no dichotomy.

What do you mean by being high enough in cultivation?

What I mean by high enough in cultivation is your level of purity. One aspect of this is the more pure you are the less negative emotions and negative emotional responses manifests from you no matter what you encounter.
Ah, I see. Thank you. :)
As for the question in the topic: Are we assigned dark forces? I don't feel like that, but maybe I'm just not pure enough. :twisted:

[watrinh]

Ah, I see. Thank you. :)
As for the question in the topic: Are we assigned dark forces? I don't feel like that, but maybe I'm just not pure enough. :twisted:


Ironically, I think we fail to defend ourselves because we are not psychologically pure enough. So I suppose you have to have some form of cultivation with some form of imperfection to get assaulted.

[wstein]

Ah duality. Twice as many questions as answers.

The more you move away from something the bigger the gap, the more the separation. As long as you want separation, you can't have unity.

Balance is not equality. One demon for every angel is equality, not balance. Pureness or not is not going to resolve this either. Say an angel achieves pure light, what of it. Does the demon have to be pure dark to make up for it. Or perhaps its up to you to be darker to maintain the equality.

Really these questions make no sense. You're just playing the game of duality. Thinking about it will just take away the enjoyment of it.

[watrinh]

Ah duality. Twice as many questions as answers.

The more you move away from something the bigger the gap, the more the separation. As long as you want separation, you can't have unity.

Balance is not equality. One demon for every angel is equality, not balance. Pureness or not is not going to resolve this either. Say an angel achieves pure light, what of it. Does the demon have to be pure dark to make up for it. Or perhaps its up to you to be darker to maintain the equality.

Really these questions make no sense. You're just playing the game of duality. Thinking about it will just take away the enjoyment of it.

hmm... ok. Yet I'm still clueless as to why it happens...

[ButterflyWoman]

Well, I don't know anything about angels incarnating or anything else of that sort, but I am of the view that "good" and "evil" are relative (just like the speed of light ;)).

On a purely material/human level, though, I tend to agree with St Augustine, who noted that evil is not really a thing in and of itself, but is rather an absence of love/good/light (however you care to think of it). People commit acts of "evil" by simply failing to choose the highest good. Perhaps the same is the case with non-corporeal beings, as well.

Like Augustine, I don't really believe in evil, and like wstein, I tend to think that asking questions about the arbitrary lines and separations of duality just leads to more questions and arbitrary separations and duality. For every question you "answer", you generate more. You spend all your time asking and answering questions. Doesn't sound like a fun lifetime to me. ;)

Just some food for thought. Take it for what it's worth.

[Palehorse Redivivus]

Honestly, I'm not sure I'd posit any cosmic "reason" for excessive neg interference at this point other than "they're here, and that's what they do." They can provide a catalyst for growth, but I hesitate to call that a "reason" from anyone's perspective other than myself (or whoever is being targetted), going "well, it's happening anyway; might as well pull something good from it." Certainly they have their own reasons, but I highly doubt negs view themselves as doing the universe a service.

Serpentarius actually raises a good point IMO. There's a lot to be said for balance, and if you "zoom out" far enough I'm sure we could say that "everything balances out in the end"... but solely from an earth-based perspective, which is where we're actually living, it seems like the collective Shadow is currently way overbalanced. I may have said before (or maybe just thought it :P ) that I can imagine a world where negs have a productive role to fill, if they were to feed in a more balanced way, and otherwise be more aware of a role as catalysts. As it is now though, as long as it remains a possibility for people to be dogpiled by negs all the way from infancy, and otherwise the general neg MO seems to be one of attempting to overwhelm individuals rather than participating in any kind of "balanced" whole, then things are not really "balanced" in the here and now.

More than anything I've come to think the reason for this situation has a lot more to do with living in a closed system. Think of a body of living, moving water, as opposed to standing water. In the former you get a pretty varied eco system of plants and animals. What does stagnant water tend to attract? An abundance of sludge, parasites, bacteria, and various other bottom-feeding type organisms... a toxic environment for most everything else. It strikes its own sort of balance, but not really one I'd want to live in or near. ;) But IMO it does serve as a possible explanation for why the Shadow has been able to proliferate here as it has.

[watrinh]

More than anything I've come to think the reason for this situation has a lot more to do with living in a closed system. Think of a body of living, moving water, as opposed to standing water. In the former you get a pretty varied eco system of plants and animals. What does stagnant water tend to attract? An abundance of sludge, parasites, bacteria, and various other bottom-feeding type organisms... a toxic environment for most everything else. It strikes its own sort of balance, but not really one I'd want to live in or near. ;) But IMO it does serve as a possible explanation for why the Shadow has been able to proliferate here as it has.

So to translate, you feel that the situation is due to our spirits being bound to a physical body. This makes it hard for us to move away from things energetically, which is why negs and parasites collect?

[Palehorse Redivivus]

What I had in mind was not about the physical per se, so much as the fact that the physical spectrum (as well as associated planes, apparently) of this particular planet is a closed, contained, possibly quarantined system. I'd imagine there are places that are capable of supporting physical life, that don't have the same entropy / stagnation factor as a defining trait, and thus are not a breeding ground for the kind of stuff that thrives in that environment, whether physically or non.

[beam]

More than anything I've come to think the reason for this situation has a lot more to do with living in a closed system. Think of a body of living, moving water, as opposed to standing water. In the former you get a pretty varied eco system of plants and animals. What does stagnant water tend to attract? An abundance of sludge, parasites, bacteria, and various other bottom-feeding type organisms... a toxic environment for most everything else. It strikes its own sort of balance, but not really one I'd want to live in or near. ;) But IMO it does serve as a possible explanation for why the Shadow has been able to proliferate here as it has.

i ve had this observation... its just like what lives underneath rocks, or at the deeper areas of the ocean, or in the shadows (cobwebs, spiders, bats, etc..) etc...these creatures often lack what we call beauty...they lack colour, and they themselves, are very slow moving most of the time. there is also very little air in these environments....but fish that live in airy, bright and tropical waters are often very active, colourful, etc..use tropical birds as another example.

on a similar note... the astral plane is like a big ocean...watery...and from what i believe i have encountered, even some of these creatures that exist in the astral are built like water creatures. or like bacteria.

http://images.google.ca/images?hl=en&sa ... q=&start=0 (http://images.google.ca/images?hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&channel=s&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&um=1&sa=1&q=deep+ocean+fish&btnG=Search+images&aq=f&oq=&start=0)

also, many times, unhealthy humans live in these types of environments. their auras are liek mold...and mold grows in which kinds of environments again?? sickly greens, browns, greys, blacks... are the predominant colours in these areas.

http://structurehub.com/blog/wp-content ... 78x384.jpg (http://structurehub.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/new-york-city-manhattan-midtown-empire-state-building-from-dottorpeni-on-flickr-578x384.jpg)

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[watrinh]

What I had in mind was not about the physical per se, so much as the fact that the physical spectrum (as well as associated planes, apparently) of this particular planet is a closed, contained, possibly quarantined system. I'd imagine there are places that are capable of supporting physical life, that don't have the same entropy / stagnation factor as a defining trait, and thus are not a breeding ground for the kind of stuff that thrives in that environment, whether physically or non.

I've actually been contemplating a lot about earth as a closed system (closed due to the earth's atmosphere)... I find that the energies present on the planet were inherently neutral. It is the people that generate the negative and the positive. The fact that earth is a closed system prevents our positive and negative energies from escaping the system. What this means is it forces the earth as a whole to collectively take responsibility for the group energies it generates. So any negative energies generated by people on earth will force us to be responsible for those energies.