Weird Events and Symptoms

[Jananz]

What are peoples most weirdest wonderful kundalini experiences?

My weirdest kundalini event was Sex with Eros.
An inner conjunction of 10,000 orgasms up the spine while paralyzed. With full sexual sensations, uterine contractions which actually felt like penetration—like I was having sex with a God, and I was the most divine Goddess imaginable. The kind of ultimate sublime sex one could never have with another human being. I have had several other inner conjunctions, but that was the most profound. The silver cord inner conjunction however was the most advanced (socalled).

Next morning after Sex with Eros I woke up in severe autonomic shock, white skin and all and not in my motorsensory body.

[Timotheus]

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[star]

Gopi Krishna had a really bad experience, he wasn't ready for it and no support could be found, no one knew what he was going through.

My higher self (Inner self, just whichever) won't allow me to undergo any Kundalini. It considers me to have too many issues that would harm me if suddenly they were exaggerated so thoroughly by the Kundalini energy.

IMO - I've read about the subject from the viewpoint of those who have undergone Kundalini, and the accounts of one who brought more than a few through the whole proccess. it just seems that you have to be sane on as many levels as possible first. The less paranoia present the easier it is, or even - more pleasant it is. :)

I've had one spike when I was 17, or what seemed to be a K spike, all it did was catch my heart on fire for a night. I can't explain it any other way.

[Jananz]

Hi Timotheus, I have heard of men having fully sexual inner conjunctions as well, although the female body is perhaps more prone. A saying arose during my awakening..."Sex is not sex." Ken Wilber even used my saying in his Boomeritis book.
It, the divinity of it, cannot be explained in words. Nor can the notion of supreme sex while being alone and paralyzed, make any sense to the people who like to use their sex organs, senses and skin for sex with other humans. Human sex cannot compare to Sex with Eros, and so it makes one immune to the pushes and pulls of human interaction...one becomes "moral" in that we cannot be fooled, nor can we fool others into the "act." The word "moral" here has the same inadequacy that the term "Sex" has in describing the ultimate inner conjunction. I would truly love to work with a bunch of people that have experienced the extreme events, in order to flesh out some language. Perhaps if the mystical union of the Inner Marriage was described in the most poetic and precise fashion, that it would touch non-initiates in a place where they could somewhat participate in the experience, even if they never venture there themselves. Art would then preempt the territory and allow more people to journey to the depths of themselves.

After such an experience, and the many others involved in awakening it is hard to get excited or involved in the human world we have created. As we fully recover and assimilate...and perhaps go through the necessary disillusionment...we then teach ourselves to embody spirit fully, and live in Nirvana while in this world as is...by increasingly removing the self-diminishing repressive mechanisms. That is we substantiate the realization of the Ecstasy of Being...which was always there but hidden from us by millions of years of resistance.

Hi Star...I never tell people to activate their kundalini. I tell them to detoxify their heavy metals and other toxins, eat raw, remineralize, re-enzyme, drink deep from nature's energies, and adopt fun practices that enliven and awaken. It is pointless trying to activate kundalini in an inflammatory cooked body, with weak nerves and nerve sheaths and organs ill equipped to extreme energy and chemistry. As we detox and enliven, kundalini naturally rises of its own accord...and this is simply spirit making up for lost time. Those that do this will be the preceptors of the new civilization that does not suppress its vitality and spirituality through life destroying, earth destroying practices.

[star]

However, or whenever it decides - it does seem exciting. Something to look forward too with enough practice. Otherwise the author Glenn Morris accounts of being a bit out of shape, eating steak and drinking alcohol as a daily practice when his Kundalini started rising. I think with enough meditation and energy work it can be awakened regardless of lifestyle. :)

[niki123]

Wow,I haven't been here for awhile and seeing this topic brought forth something that I must share.I've had sex with Eros and it was amazing but let me tell you that nothing will ever measure to that and even any attraction to another person who is not compatible with you is impossible.I speak from my own experience as I am still waiting to meet yet again my so called soulmate,the man I've been dreaming nonstop until a month ago.Even when this other guy, last year followed me home on the bus for 45 min under whatever influence, I ,unconciosly felt nothing for him,even as i handed him my phone number.Why is it that i'm only attracted to the guy I've been dreaming about for so long and other men ,no matter how good looking they are,they do nothing to me ?No lust,no desire,no feeling! It's as if I am dead to sex without the deepest kind of a love connection that ever exists,a soul love.Please let me know what you think about this.Last week I felt that I was in love with the man i've been dreaming about and I was so shocked because I only saw him once but it was just a fleeting feeling which lasted a couple of days.Please ,tell me that I'm not crazy!

[Jananz]

Hi Niki, You are not crazy because we cannot really control our loves...Eros just is. We try and rationalize it, and complicate it with our economics, security, class, connections etc...but the essence of Eros is out of our control.
That is not to say that you are to have a human-side relationship with your dream man...he may be the current personification of the masculine for the opening of your heart.
I would say work with whatever is happening to open your heart, and if you see him again try and find out if he is interested.
For a more outrageous version of the impersonal nature of kundalini see My Story on http://www.biologyofkundalini.com
Because it may not be a human level affair, but what I call a transpersonal non-relationship...we never know which it is until the energy subsides.

[Timotheus]

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[niki123]

Wow,thank you for repling,Jananz and Timotheus.Yes,I'm more than a little confused about what kind of relationship we are supossed to have.I've tried and failed to give up on him repeatedly.When that other man followed me home and I gave him my Ph # I expected him to call me but he never did.That is a mistery to me and the fact that I'm not attracted to anyone else.Everytime I tried to give up on him and go on with my life and date someone else ,there was always this nagging feeling that I was doing the wrong thing by giving up on him and something bad would happen to me.For example : I ran to catch the bus while I was wearing sandals and f almost fell on my face and hurt my knees really bad and other time I cut my leg on the metal frame edge which should've been covered but it accidentaly fell off and I lost a lot of blood last year because it hit a vein.Strangely,I heal very fast .So you see that I have given up giving up on him but this brings me back to my original dilemma which is wondering what kind of relationship we are supossed to have.I've been feeling so much better the past month of so and i feel so much joy but have no reason now to feel this way.Maybe I'm accepting and getting used to things this way.Just taking it slow because now I'm searching for another apartment to move to and it takes a lot of time.

[Timotheus]

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[Timotheus]

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[niki123]

Well,Timotheus, we are in this together,we are not separate,lol.Like I said ,I gave up on giving up on him so nothing bad happened again,unless you count the thing who hit me in the head last night as I was entering my room and the incident this morning when I spilled the juice I was drinking all over the floor because I felt something fall on my head.Yup,my life is strange indeed.I have to do some major cleansing in this apartment.Things got really weird all of a sudden,recently.I can't wait to find another apartment and to finally relax.

[Jananz]

"instinct is a good thing and should always have an advisory voice."

Yea I actually only spent an hour with the love of my life, cause I was too stupid and occluded with past-miasmas to really get that I was in the act of dissing the man of my dreams. I am the most hopeless creature.

[Timotheus]

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[niki123]

Well,Jananz,it sounds like you lost hope but hope is inside of you and you must find it again.Don't give up! I remember myself giving up,getting depressed over it and even thinking that I was crazy but it slowly came back into focus and here I am so full of joy and inner knowing and feels like I found hope again.It's so beautiful and I can see it all and as I sit here typing with a big smile on my face , full of bliss,I believe in us again but it's different than before,deeper and surer and more hopeful and it kind of feels like growing up.I dreamed about him again this morning and we were somewhere where was a lot of light and warmth and most of all love and as I looked into his eyes I asked him,like never before if he knew who I was and he smiled this huge smile and he kissed me and then he said to me that he knows who I am.I am becoming more balanced and that is a good thing.Be happy , full of love and joy.There's always hope !

[Jananz]

Loss of hope...no...just a pragmatism born of experience.
I am married to my work. I quickly become distracted, around men...turning into a healer, teacher, housekeeper, chef etc...
If I could find someone similarly married to their Muse it might work...but then we would need a team of support crew to sustain our union. :lol:

[Timotheus]

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[Jananz]

Hey check out this real useful piece on soul relationship.
Telophilia - http://people.tribe.net/defalt/blog/2fb ... 6d7bdfb79c (http://people.tribe.net/defalt/blog/2fbb1af4-9a21-4880-bc86-846d7bdfb79c)
Tue, June 10, 2008 - 10:50 AM
1. "Telophilia however is one step beyond that being an empathetic, synergistic relationship of all levels, including soul. These soul-relationships may not include sex but because they amplify kundalini they can be more energetically and intensely intimate and transformative than sexual relationships...

In certain relationships, the level of profound close goodness is so great that any thing that gets in the way of that that is not pure, clear connection will feel incredibly bad to the degree that I will have to amend it or feel almost sick. My partner in this will feel it too. Our inclination is to exit the relationship, or withdraw, or become clingy, but none of those actions work except to cause further pain. The ONLY way out is THROUGH. ... it is spiritually imperative that what has arisen that causes pain is dealt with. Each of us has to take extreme responsibility for our own feelings, and be brutally honest, completely open and non-defensive and able to listen in a space created purposely for the healing."...

It's possible to heal to some degree even if the other person takes no responsibility for their actions or feelings, and wouldn't recognize brutal self-honesty or honesty with the other if it flogged them. It seems to be a partial healing, and in this case exiting the relationship seems to be necessary. Remaining in a relationship where one is compelled to grow and the other chooses to deny is self-destructive - because there is no way through without true communication or interaction. Instead, the "active" partner will feel increasingly isolated, confused, and misunderstood.

Instead of playing in the energy field of mutuality, it becomes yet another exercise in self-absorption. The harder the active partner tries to make sense of the relationship, the deeper they enmesh themselves in their own mind and emotions. At this point, the mismatch in willingness and experience causes the pain. Since we cannot force someone to face us - let alone his or her Self - the only way to actually remove the pain is to let the relationship go.

The danger here is that the active partner will fall into cynicism, or like Diogenes wander the world looking for "one honest man". All that is required, actually, is to recognize that the passive partner has been a catalyst,and by their own choice has refused to engage in the process. If the future of humanity - and by extension, the future of individual humans - is dependent on communication, a relationship of this type is an evolutionary dead end. And while we may mourn the passing of the dodo, it's still extinct.

This leads to other questions - is love a casualty in this? What is the active ex-partner to do? (There are no questions about what the passive ex-partner is to do - because typically they will continue to do nothing real. The odds are they aren't reading this anyway.)

Love is not a casualty. The capacity for love has increased, albeit in a lopsided way. Balancing that is what the active ex-partner will probably engage in. There will be a tendency to deny, reframe, or forget the experience. While it would be preferable to simply accept the disappointment, this can be difficult when the potential was so clear to the active partner.


2 . Following is an outline of the stages of soul relationship but to a certain extent all stages happen at once to varying degrees as well.

1. MEETING
Recognition, initiation, surges of energy in the head and solar plexus, enlivening of the genitals. Enlarging of ones field in relation to the other, heightening of alertness and energy level. Irresistible magnetic pull, constancy of attention and soul urge to be in each others presence.

Greg's NOTE: This is a prime opportunity for denial to rear it's head. While one may pass through fear at this point, refusing to face the reality kills the potential.

2. QUICKENING
Spiritual acceleration, extreme heart opening, purging, purifying, nausea, awe, hope. Clearing, tidying up loose ends, nest building, talking to oneself, physical exercise to absorb tension. Alternating periods of hyperactivity (sympathetic) with heart expanding lethargy (parasympathetic).

Greg's NOTE: Dance. Dance. Dance. Get unconscious. Repeat. Too much repetition will kill the process.

3. RUBBERBANDING
Alternating surrender with periods of sensual indulgence as the ego tries to use and/or suppress the charge. Boundary testing, uncertainty, exploration and resolution of differences. Blowing off the cocoon through compression and expansion.

Greg's NOTE: to compress, descend into the watery depths and increase the emotional pressure. To expand, ascend into the rarefied atmosphere. Watch out for rapture of the deep and oxygen deprivation. The uncertainty is difficult - but certainty here is often an illusion. One can be certain, however, that denial from stage 1 will manifest here and stunt the growth. It's not a cause for uncertainty - it's time to let go.

4. TOLERANCE
Bodymind gains faith, becomes stronger quieter and more peaceful. Learns to protect and allow the intense opening energy cycles of soul-merger. Rewiring to handle the amplified energy and kinesthetic senses.

Greg's NOTE: a particularly challenging stage. Trust your bodymind - it will handle the rewiring, you don't need to direct it.

5. SURRENDER
Attraction to spiritual intimacy as soul increasingly incarnates with the opening of the bodymind. There is a letting go of morbid thoughts and behaviors as trust develops. Eros progressively triumphs over Thanatos.

Greg's NOTE: this is a key stage, and delicate. It will loop back to stages 2 or 3 unless both people are engaged. Continued loopback is a sign that either one or both of the partners are avoiding the process.

6. TRANSPARENCY
Proactive- YES AND Green-lighting Spirit. With conscious joint metamorphic alchemy there is a movement from deprivation states to co-Being. Sympathetic resonance causes the falling away of resistance and strengthens the ability to enjoy love.

Greg's NOTE: the key word in the step 6 description is conscious. Without consciousness, the process devolves into a standard dysfunctional mismatch.

7. SUBSTANTIATION
Maintenance of a mature equilibrium of holding the We Space, while still sustaining full individuation. Potent, creative, cooperative partnership, mature monogamy-(RAM)

Greg's NOTE: while this is the Vision, I can't speak to the Reality

[CFTraveler]

I just wanted to add this link http://biologyofkundalini.com/article.p ... =supra-sex (http://biologyofkundalini.com/article.php?story=supra-sex) and this quote:
"The Greek prefix telo means “the end or complete” and philia is Greek for “love or loving.” Thus we can use the word telophilia to represent the highest form of relationship or the union of souls or joint alchemy. So I equate the phenomena of supra-sex with telophilia."
In which the etymology of the word is explained, since there are other meanings attributed to the same word, and I didn't want anyone to get confused about it.

[Timotheus]

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[Jananz]

Thanks CF I need to use my quote from BOK in a new book I am writing...here is the paragraph that comes after it:

"Enlightened society or Shambhala is a web that is woven from divine relationship or telophilia...that is platonic relationship toward a mutual vision. Telophilia is an empathetic, synergistic relationship of all levels, including soul. I hope to find hundreds of men and women interested in the same sort of idea...of creating a fearless visionary community of gnostic illumination, using the full powers of creativity and the spontaneous spirituality of the whole human. The ego is a defense against nothingness. Out of fear of nothing the ego tries to create a substantial something, without realizing that nothing is actually far bigger, greater and grander than something. We cannot afford to waste our energy, minds and hearts on the personal egoic level. The cocoon era is over. Something much larger is brewing in which we dare to act as cocreators of a new culture. If we slack off and don't do our work, then the butterfly cannot be born out of the sleeping pupae." Awakening the Bodymind, Transcending the Degenerative Complex

I just had 20 hrs of mammoth spiritual sex after 8 years celibacy, and my buttocks are now joined to the unified field and flashing in and out of existence completely renewing themselves at 14 cycles per second.
Actually it was my kundalini gland at the base of the spine that was pulsating, awesome sensation. it is still going a little bit now, it gives a space warping, space undulating effect...its oceanic.

[niki123]

Wow! I don't expect anything to happen anymore and I can say that now I don't want anything or wish for anything anymore! That's all I have to say!Whatever I need is out there and will reach me whenever the time is right.