Can an astral have s*x with someone who is in the physical

[lover454]

Dear L:
I meant to quote you and by mistake edited your post. You will find your questions in quotations. Sorry about that.


I am definitely NOT astral. I'm not sure what you mean by this, but everyone has an astral double. So you are physical and astral, and everything in between.


However, back in October 2008 I was lying on my stomach on my bed watching TV and all of a sudden I felt an invisible figure land behind me, he started to [removed unnecessary content], then had int*rcourse and then [removed unnecessary details.]. Can an Astral have sex with a non-astral. This post reminds me of someone else. Have you posted here before?
Anyway, chances are you were in trance, and experienced your thoughts in an objective way, as in the hypnagogic state. This is not uncommon.


IT also happened quite a few times after that as well.

Also sometimes I feel someone getting into bed with me, touching me.

This kind of started when I was fantasizing about a exboyfriend, my male ex-bosses and one of my male cousins. You probably are separating and enacting your fantasies without realizing that's what you're doing- with your own energy body, also known as astral feedback, which accounts for many of what are known as 'dweller' experiences.

There is a chance that your fantasizing in trance attracted a succubus, but I'd only suggest this if:
You orgasmed, and
You felt very crappy afterwards, exhausted for the rest of the day or the next day if it happened at night.

If you felt fine afterwards, chances are it was only astral feedback- this means that you're probably a spontaneous projector.

All of the terms I used are in the AD Pedia (in my sig) if you have any doubts.

[CFTraveler]

Here's my sig (with links to the AD pedia)______V

[wstein]

Any non-physical being with enough energy (and able to bypass your defenses in any) can have 'sex' with you. Obviously, extreme amounts of energy are required to make it physical. So, basically its an (sexual) energy interaction. Note that orgasm can be induced through purely energetic means (also possible if both are physical people).

It doesn't sound like you put up much resistance (if any) making it more or less consensual. Its possibly your own fantasy or simply a non-physical lover that stops by to see you occasionally when you are in the mood.

Its also possibly an energy stealing entity able to play on your fantasies. Although its possibly a succubus, since you offered little resistance, many other weaker entities would also be able do it.

[McArthur]

The answer to this question is yes. Robert describes somewhere of his experience of a "succubus" type entity that he saw floating near the ceiling while he was meditating and said it looked similar to a jellyfish full of colourful lights. It obviously didnt know he could see it as it then floated down to him and started to stimulate his base chakra trying to give him an orgasm in order to release chakra energy for it to feed upon.

I have not seen one in its possible original form like Robert did, but have had a lot of Succubus type experiences over the years. They are a very common occurence, especially amongst teenagers. The most recent one a few months ago I woke up OOBE(note) and a blob-like creature was sucking on my genitals. I moved my Etheric hand down to where it was and tried to push it away with my fingers... and it started sucking my fingers instead. It felt like putting my hand into soft warm rubbery jelly.

One of the more unusual ones I have experienced was when I was having a conversation with a spirit many years ago (that I stupidly thought was a "spirit guide" at the time...) and it said to me "Ecstacy!" and I suddenly felt an intense tingling sensation in my groin which resulted in an orgasm a few seconds later. It was daylight, I was fully clothed, my own hands were nowhere near my genitals, and I had no erection or ejaculation.

note: I wake up out of body quite a lot lately, which obviously saves me the effort of trying to AP. But waking up OOBE and finding something sucking on your nether regions, or having a humanoid bald-headed vampire prancing around your living room, can certainly make one wonder about how many times we all have our privacy invaded throughout the night.

[McArthur]

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[dobidou]

Succubus (from Wiki): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Succubus

I know Wiki isn't a "real source", but so far I've looked around on website, some books, and my idea of that "deamon" is still blurry.

While I'm reading the stories of thoses who "felt" such entity when performing a meditation, I'm wondering (and I'm believing...) that thoses can also affects us in awake state.

From the Freudian analysis, that would be interesting, but I wont mention about higher-self stuff, or biological evidence that somehow fantasies can seems real, or suck our energy...

I can say I'm very sensible about who get close to me, I'm a chameleon, and still I remain my self, maybe I became a tribe of who got around me, picking the spells and attitudes I liked, I mentionned it because that is how I started to wonder about succubes.

First, it has been my nightmare, until I accepted it in my life, but then I realise that it's screwing it up.

What I feel (very personnal point of view, unless someone agree haha), it's that the "entity from the other side" (who are they, lower-us?) loves to suck our energy. But why? Stay alive? Around me, let's say in my house, EVERYTIME we got a big boom of psychic energy blowing out (I scares my kid at halloween, we pick a big fight, ect...) during almost 3 days stuff moves in the house.

I wondered about thoses fields of energy we create. Bad energy? Oh yeah sure... but what about orgams?! Orgasms are great (thoses I know lol), and can occur more often then fights (at least), could "they" eat that energy as well?

I started to think that "orgasms", when it's a transfert of energy between human, is good. But when it's alone (mast) - the energy is given away, and I'm suspecting that some low entity is sucking it :(

What is the problem?? Well, having an entity sucking up the energy you drop isn't too bad. The problem is when you stop feeding the beast hahaha. First, staying in a horny state, can drive someone crazy, and at same time (I experienced it) - it's the inverse then bad energy (bad energy throwed away brings poltergeist-like effects) - not feeding the "beast" gives poltergeist-like effets as well, almost saying something like "well, do it, or I will anoy you!"

This really sounds like a deamon to me, even if I denie it, if I say that it's just psychology, working on me... But all thoses poltergeist-like effects are annoying at the end. And I dont want to feel that I must feed the beast or "she" will eat me (lol).

What if you are not in any trance state. What if that succube can stimulate your chacras or brain, or else, and lead you to "do something". Has anyone though about that? :idea:

I'm affraid that while I imagine things in my fantasies, I become the reality of a succube that looks at me and suck my energy, as I simulate to steal someone else (which I dont, well, I hope) :p

[Alaskans]

having a humanoid bald-headed vampire prancing around your living room, can certainly make one wonder about how many times we all have our privacy invaded throughout the night.
Harhar:lol:
It's very interesting to hear the accounts of people who can see these occurrances so clearly. And it is good to know it is something others have exerienced as well (we can share info). I dont know why my observances would be of importance but I think I am meant to share them.

I dont know what was a lie or not, but the one hanging around me was a shapechanging ghost called Misty. According to what I experienced she was being abused by some other vampires. I tried to bring her to heaven despite all the years of abuse from her(it was an act of ultimate forgiveness for me). Some of her forms certainly seemed demon-like, but really, who doesnt want to be good and happy? I guess I wasnt capable enough cause she fell back down. I said I would help her when I complete my cultivation so long as she doesnt interfere. She broke the deal one night and consequently reached sudden oneness with the universe via sand of dissolusion. Maybe it was suicide.. Whatever it was, she was less evil when she died than when she arrived... My supernatural drama.

I came here off your other post Dobidou so I mainly wrote this post in response to you.
I dont understand some of what you said, but I think your giving her too much though, its all really pretty simple.

I know Wiki isn't a "real source", but so far I've looked around on website, some books, and my idea of that "deamon" is still blurry.
I wouldnt use the name demon, it makes her sound all powerfull, she could be lots of things, even just a thought you had that you gave energy to. Succubi are like any other vamp, they eat energy within a certain frequency. They try to get someone to produce that frequency, thats all.

Staying away from porn or any sexual visualizations- thats the best way to weaken her. Of course she will raise a fit when she gets hungry. Eventually she will get weak, loose influence, if there was any, then leave to look for a different mark. She can only take energy similar to herself, she cant stand all of your good energies.
Her influencing you to create more of the energy she likes is the reason shes no good.... women can be so controlling :roll: Trust me, you dont want that.
Theres lots of other stuff you could try, but getting rid of any sexual immages and fantasies is huge.
True, they can be powerfull, but thier weak spot is thier diet. Cut them off and they quickly loose thier power (they waste it all throwing a fit). After that there is other things that can be done to so it looses interest.

Your post is the only one I read and responded to in about half a year. And it happened to be an issue I had to explore in depth. The lumina wants me to offer advice, I hope I have given some that is helpfull.

...You know what? Why do we send energy to a "sexual" sensation? For what reason is it sexual? How is typing different from getting sucked on by a floating blob? We have brainwashed ourselves into beleiving that stroking(ect) is something more than just a sensation. Animal programming.

[CFTraveler]

I have to agree with Alaskans on this-about cutting off the 'food', and more importantly, when you are confronted by it to tell it to go away and mean it.
This worked for me, incredibly well. It sounds so simple but it works.
As for the "You know how women are" *slaps that boy silly* *piff paff*
:P

[Alaskans]

As for the "You know how women are" *slaps that boy silly* *piff paff*
:P
>dodge< ha ha! I knew you would try to slap me. That show comes to mind...umm.. "slapped by an angel"?

Just trying to bring the subject out of immagination land (and therefore scaryland) and more down to earth. Demon or not we run into these kinds of people on more earthly terms a lot, we dont get all scared then. Though I dont reccomend giving them an inch. Misty was weak enough to be easily controllable when I attempted to get her help. Actually, I was inspired by that doctor woman who hypnotizes the victims of negs and convinces the negs to the come to the good side. Wish I could do that.. I couldnt imagine a more righteous persuit, but alas my counceling skills suck. I went to hell once to try it and failed spectacularly, barely survived... had to pray to be sent a big guardian angel to protect my sorry butt.
We've all got adventures to tell. People wonder why we find tv booring. Wheres the blabber mouth icon CF?

[niki123]

I had this kind of experience when I was in the hypnogogic state about maybe a year ago and couldn't move or talk but I could see just fine and this man I always dream about was having sex with me but then he stopped when he saw me just lying there not being able to move and he said that he was sorry.He can't be a neg because he actually exists in RTZ.

[lover454]

THe only poster who makes any sense is: wstein.
Tothe other peple who posted the following: No jelly type of person can stimulate orgasm.

[CFTraveler]

THe only poster who makes any sense is: wstein.
Tothe other peple who posted the following: No jelly type of person can stimulate orgasm. If you read how it's done (by telepathy) you'll see that there is a difference between "it's impossible" and "I don't believe it." How do you know what an astral critter can and cannot do? And where did you get the impression that an astral critter is a 'person'? Obviously, you didn't get that it isn't an organic creature, it's an astral creature. And if you don't believe that fantasy images can induce orgasm, then you obviously haven't experienced it. However, most women (and men) know this to be so.
Are you resisting the notion that you can be stimulated by something that isn't attractive, or is there a different underlying fear driving your reply?

[dobidou]

Thanks to you all for your sharing,

Thanks Alaskans, really appreciated that you take the time to tell your story. I read it, and recongnize me. For "meaning issues" - I guess I had said too early it was a deamon, I'm new in here and I cant make the difference yet between a deamon and a low-life beast. I know it should be obvious though :p But I think I understand now :)

Succubes, weird, the way "dreams" can start to turn into reality. As the pregnant woman see pregnant women and babies everywhere for first time. I see succubes in real living women hahaha, that is sweet isn't? lol.

I'm buying the plan you suggest me, and approve, I will go on a diet of fantasies hahaha, to put the blob on diet! Gosh, it sucks to think about missing fantasies... But a "fight" against something more then me, is more fun, like an happy challenge.

In original Catholic beliefs - "deamons" were responsible of our sins, I found that a bit ridiculous, in a way (psychology) where the sinner doesn't take his responsability of acts, putting the fault on a deamon... Yeah, the deamon's fault, not mine!

But now I realize, it's still an important issue after all. Maybe because I'm not ready to fight against me, I still need to find a bully. And Fantaisies: Complicated biological mechanisms, more often taken like "dammm it's natural, no problems!!" - Yeah... and I end up talking about deamons and low-life-energy-suckers haha on a OBE forum :D

I'm glad to read other reactions as well!


...if you don't believe that fantasy images can induce orgasm, then you obviously haven't experienced it...

Maybe when our well of energy is overflowing, it doesn't matter if it's an ugly cratter, a blob, or a pure-beauty, sucking it... Lead me to a question: Is it possible that they are useful? Can their stimulation be useful in some case? Shure - any over-stimulated will suffer. Like in nature, every small animal have a purpose, except microbs... can we considers NEG (and succubes) as microbs?

Alaskans, I know your reaction about helping that entity to get on the "right side" :) Some people probably told you that this was dangerous or useless... But you got to try it, and I believe that it was worth it, for your own experience, and for sharing, helping people to take shortcuts... Yeah, what a stunt haha. For more then a year, I feel I have been trying to help, and the more I helped, the deepest I got... I think that the other side is worst then our side, meaning that evolution is still, we have a life to find our path, but what about something/someone that has been there for centuries... (for instance), not that easy :(

And there is the "black hole entities". They can be humans too. The positive energy we send them doesn't bounce back, it crushes in a very little space, and disapear, the only way to kill that black hole is to simulate a bigger black hole, and suck it up :)

As we seek to find a balance, or equality, we often fall in traps. The deeper we dig, the deeper we get... but we need to do it sometimes to re-understands it!

Next step: putting that energy-suckers-type-like-entity on diet! hahaha :D
Ouch... easy to say :)

[lover454]

THe blob and demon theory sounds so stupid. I dont buy it

[CFTraveler]

THe blob and demon theory sounds so stupid. I dont buy it You don't have to buy it. But you do have to be respectful while you don't.

[dobidou]

THe blob and demon theory sounds so stupid. I dont buy it You don't have to buy it. But you do have to be respectful while you don't.

Haha :p
For me, a lot of stuff seemed stupid until I "experienced" it, still, I dont have experienced everything yet, but for the things that I still miss, it's hard to say either it's stupid, or just funny, but anyway (I think anyone is more likely to "hit" something in here since we're all from all kind of different beliefs, where science is limited, isn't? :)).

But Lover454, if you could choose between only one thoses 2 (the demon or the blob) - who would be more likely to felt invited to suck up the energy of your orgams? haha :)

Even if they were only "mental invention" - still - they exists! If I draw something that doesn't exists yet, then it exists :) And when you step into the astral, tell me what is not possible... :P

[ButterflyWoman]

THe blob and demon theory sounds so stupid. I dont buy it
You could just go the "everything is an illusion/delusion anyway" route and just not worry about it because, ultimately, it's got nothing to do with anything.

It's a bit extreme for most people, of course, but it works very well for some.

I'm just saying.

[NewConcept]

I have had faires have sex with me. Robert bruce says that faires can be sexual to humans because it's their nature. I've had faires tagging on my astral body and stimulating the sacral chakra to comfort me from scary thoughts of the astral body being pushed out of my physical.

[dobidou]

I have had faires have sex with me...

Lucky you!! (especially compared to experiences with witches or blobs :P

It reminds me about the labor deal among the insects, the first example is the ant, taking care of aphids, they take care of them, while the little ones give them some juice. Some could be thinking of any slavery, but no, everyone is fine with it.

As I'm starting to wonder if some of thoses neg could be useful sometimes, weird though...

[Jaco]

I have had several instances when during my dreams entities wanted my energy through sex.
Mostly it was on a basis of seduction, that means they didn't force myself on me, only try to convince me to play. It worked as long as the dream wasn't lucid. If I regained lucidity I was not interested.
I remember one instance where I dreamt of an attractive friend of mine and when I regained lucidity I recognized that it was some energy sucking thingy and I wanted to wake up. I had about 8 false awakenings before I finally woke up, and after every awakening the woman was always next to me. Luckily I was regaining lucidity almost instantly every time. The woman was always passive, just waiting.
And on one instance, my will in my dream was literally crushed.
I regained lucidity in a field of darkness and I was caught by a thing. It tried to make me give in. It wasn't a battle of wills. It was like my will was a dome barely withstanding a weight of an avalanche. It kept on pressing mentally and I could only barely resist. Well, my heroic struggle lasted for about 5 to 7 seconds after which my concentration swayed for just a moment and the creatures will completely overwhelmed me and it leached onto my root chakra. I only had one attack like that, but it was completely different league then the ones I described earlier.

[CFTraveler]

I'd say the former was a succubus and the latter was something else. What I'm not sure. How did you feel after the incident, healthwise?

[Jaco]

I'd say the former was a succubus and the latter was something else. What I'm not sure. How did you feel after the incident, healthwise?
First case: after the false awakenings cycle. When I woke up for real I was confused and mentally tired, for a moment I didn't know if I woken up for real...
Second case:When I woke up after loosing the mind struggle I was quite startled, but I calmed down quickly.
As for after-effects of this, I am not aware of any. In both cases the dominant feeling just after the events was irritation, but I went back to sleep almost immediately.
That is what I usually do, I get irritated that something was bothering me, then I shrug it off, turn on to the other side and go back to sleep.

The other thing I could tell. The first entity was a small fry, not very strong. The second entity was much stronger, and the mental pressure it generated was literary overwhelming.
.

[CFTraveler]

If the second entity(ies) were a succubus attack, you would have been extremely exhausted and ill. Which is why I don't feel it was one. If I were going to guess what it would be, I'd go with some sort of lesson about boundaries (maybe) or one of those brainless tests that entities sometimes use to see if they can scare the bejesus out of projectors. Even a possible hag situation (Dweller). The possibilities are many.

[Jaco]

The possibilities are many.
I know. Either way, the encounters don't phase me at all...

[star]

Dear L:
I meant to quote you and by mistake edited your post. You will find your questions in quotations. Sorry about that.

[quote]I am definitely NOT astral. I'm not sure what you mean by this, but everyone has an astral double. So you are physical and astral, and everything in between.


However, back in October 2008 I was lying on my stomach on my bed watching TV and all of a sudden I felt an invisible figure land behind me, he started to [removed unnecessary content], then had int*rcourse and then [removed unnecessary details.]. Can an Astral have sex with a non-astral. This post reminds me of someone else. Have you posted here before?
Anyway, chances are you were in trance, and experienced your thoughts in an objective way, as in the hypnagogic state. This is not uncommon.


IT also happened quite a few times after that as well.

Also sometimes I feel someone getting into bed with me, touching me.

This kind of started when I was fantasizing about a exboyfriend, my male ex-bosses and one of my male cousins. You probably are separating and enacting your fantasies without realizing that's what you're doing- with your own energy body, also known as astral feedback, which accounts for many of what are known as 'dweller' experiences.

There is a chance that your fantasizing in trance attracted a succubus, but I'd only suggest this if:
You orgasmed, and
You felt very crappy afterwards, exhausted for the rest of the day or the next day if it happened at night.

If you felt fine afterwards, chances are it was only astral feedback- this means that you're probably a spontaneous projector.

All of the terms I used are in the AD Pedia (in my sig) if you have any doubts.[/quote:1e2vkecr]

While just in the physical, someone having sex with me who is in the astral - Feels F*n amazing. But people kept asking me if I needed water... No! I'm not passing out! :P

[Alaskans]

I have had faires have sex with me...

Lucky you!! (especially compared to experiences with witches or blobs :P

It reminds me about the labor deal among the insects, the first example is the ant, taking care of aphids, they take care of them, while the little ones give them some juice. Some could be thinking of any slavery, but no, everyone is fine with it.

As I'm starting to wonder if some of thoses neg could be useful sometimes, weird though...

Due to our physical bodies, males naturally have a deficiency of female energy, females usually have a deficiency of male energy. If a female being wants to share energy then it might be benificial for both of you. Its easy for it to become primal, causing both to be pulled into more restrictive planes, but it can also be more divine. Conversely, many know that we contain all that is in the universe, including the girl or boy of our dreams, no lifetime of searching is required. For me, acts of compassion and forgiveness bring her out, shes my angel :D

[dobidou]

WoW, amazing Alaskans :)

The male/female theories brings psychological concepts that can explains a lot about those entities (or neg), as if U get sucked by a blob, we agree the attacker is assexual, compare if it's obviously the opposite sex (or same sex for someone specificly gai?).

I was thinking that a man, or a woman, playing with his/her body (again), was giving away some energy, as it goes in a erotic dream for instance, I was wondering where the energy is going, maybe it bounce back, maybe it's flowed away in thin air... maybe some entity can swim in it and suck it... but what if you specifically "send" that energy to someone?

Because I feel almost 100% shure that two people exchanging fluids exchange non-physical fluids as well, and it would be weird to imagine some neg messing around trying to suck a drop of it, it's not meant to get sucked by any other being then the ones involve physically, but correct me please if I'm wrong.

Love (physical but certainly more psychological) is one of the strongest basic human needs after Food and Shelter, the only difference with primary needs is that it involve an external entity, usually a human :) I see it as the second "source of food" for animals and "beings", which image becomes clearly more visible when you fall into a succube :)

[merita]

I have had faires have sex with me.


LOL ain't you the lucky one!!! I'm obviously not doing things right, I don't even get blobs or balding vampires, let alone faries.

Thanks to this thread, I shall be giggling when I go to bed tonight and probably won't be able to concentrate on my energy work. :lol: :lol: :lol:

[beam]

I was thinking that a man, or a woman, playing with his/her body (again), was giving away some energy, as it goes in a erotic dream for instance, I was wondering where the energy is going,


probably into making yer own thoughtform(s).

[dobidou]

Makes sens to me as well :D

[GRANT]

Yes.
Grant

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