Out There

[CFTraveler]

http://www.unknowncountry.com/outthere/

[Neil Templar]

this one was very interesting-
http://news1800.com/2009/01/most-popula ... uguration/ (http://news1800.com/2009/01/most-popular/cnn-catches-ufo-on-camera-during-inauguration/)

[CFTraveler]

Interestingly, I wanted to bring this one to attention:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/5007735 ... ondon.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/5007735/UFOs-photographed-over-London.html)

I do not want a debate on whether it's real or not.
What I'd like (if possible) is to talk about how it would be possible (according to what we think we know about physics/reality) for craft to show up in a photograph and not to the naked eye. Other than suggestion (or directed influencing) what could 'cloak' something like that from view and yet not from cameras?
I'd like to hear ideas, if anyone has any.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01367/UFO_s_1367994c.jpg

[CFTraveler]

this one was very interesting-
http://news1800.com/2009/01/most-popula ... uguration/ (http://news1800.com/2009/01/most-popular/cnn-catches-ufo-on-camera-during-inauguration/) Whatever it was, it was flying pretty fast.

[Mishell]

What amazes me is that people always assume that these things exist in our dimension.

[Ouroboros]

What amazes me is that people always assume that these things exist in our dimension.

Most people I don't think accept that there could be other dimensions. (I only say could be because I've yet to experience anything multi-dimensional yet).

CF,

I will make this one comment as an astral abductee. A lot of people associate ETs as entities that exist in our physical reality. Well the truth is...the greys, reptialians, the other reported entities in UFO lore, they don't exist in our reality. They exist in the astral at a higher energy level (well in the case of the descent reptilians probably not too high up with the evil reptilians). That's one of the reasons why when I first read Robert's book and he mentioned ET looking astral entities, I thought to myself, maybe they weren't ET looking, maybe they were ETs.

People think UFOs and astral travel are unrelated topics, in fact the truth is they are very related.

The few times I saw the greys in the flesh and not in an astral state, I was elevated to a very high energy level. I remember when my abductions first started I looked at my bedroom door thinking it looked strange and that "the door is not MY door." My energy was slightly raised to some place else so they could interact with me.

So how could ships appear in photos but go unseen to the naked eye...probably the same way astrals can go unseen to the naked eye but show up in photos...they exist exist in the same space at a different level of energy.

[CFTraveler]

You know, I never thought of that.

[CFTraveler]

Today's highlights: http://www.nytimes.com/gwire/2009/05/14 ... 19116.html (http://www.nytimes.com/gwire/2009/05/14/14greenwire-a-climate-solution-thats-out-of-this-world-19116.html)

[agentgates]

Other than suggestion (or directed influencing) what could 'cloak' something like that from view and yet not from cameras?
I'd like to hear ideas, if anyone has any.

As Flew mentioned they do exist in a different energy level. It also causes energy transmission to other particles in our dimension that infra sensitive devices can pick up as heat signature. CCD chips (cameras electronic eye) can see in a wider light spectrum than naked eyes and therefore some cameras have a built-in or external filter to exclude the infra, UV and other ranges to enhance the picture quality as they would appear often white or other different false colours on the taken pictures.

The camera was used for taking that picture had no infra filter that is why they can appear on it. :wink:

[agentgates]

Flew wrote:
So how could ships appear in photos but go unseen to the naked eye...probably the same way astrals can go unseen to the naked eye but show up in photos...they exist exist in the same space at a different level of energy.

(DON'T READ IT PEOPLE IF YOU DON'T FEEL STRONG ENOUGH)

I agree with you and actually the sad truth is that humans emit negative energies in the space which is basically their fuel. The other sad truth is that the chaos surrounding us is the most efficient fuel for them. And the even sadder truth is the chaos on our planet is not a coincidence... that is why they are here on Earth (not out there), and that is why other benevolent ETs around of Earth as they are not too happy for that our governments (actually the Illuminati) are "feeding" them. And there are many other horrifying things that we are not allowed to know...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDeA1_mKffY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1brjmOKFVc

[agentgates]

Oh and by the way the malevolent ETs are not out there, they are very in here. :cry: They have a deep underground tunnel network all around our planet (most of them in the US) equipped with vacuum-driven tube shuttle that can fly in the tunnel up to mach 2. I have maps of the tunnels and caverns that RT projectors can check out. There are also secret joint military-alien bases but very very not recommended to fly in there as they can pick up extra dimensional activities (not because of us). I will find the maps of the networks and tunnel entrances on my computer and post them if everybody promises that (in thoughts) will STAY AWAY from the military ones as entering them without permission means legally espionage.

Rather that if you are interested in seeing them in RT projection there are other underground alien bases, spacecraft wreckages, alien civilisations and is not illegal to see (since aliens and UFOs legally don't even exist... :wink: )

Here they are:

Solar System, Earth
1. Africa, Matobo Hills, alien cavern. Camp and cloning facility. (South Africa or Zimbabwe if I'm not wrong) If you won't keep starring in their face and disturb them they won't bother you if you just fly around a few minutes.

2. United States, deep underground cavern system under the rain forest between Seattle and Ellensburg. There used to be alien creatures in the forest, mostly in night time. A claimed entrance is somewhere on, or around the Manastage ridge. The former owner of the property said the hole is more than 25 miles (!!) deep. (I am quite sceptical but... you never know) By the way during the years the army has built a building around the hole, so it doesn't look suspicious for the public. Nobody actually found the hole as the guy disappeared and he didn't tell us where it was. Another witness says it is camouflaged as a house, there is a wire fence and a gate around of it and a very big sign on the gate: "Private, Keep Clear" or something similar.

Solar System, Moon, back side
3. A few miles to the north from Izsak D twin crater. Ancient mother ship wreckage. Coordinates, the nose of the spacecraft: 18^47'58''.03 S, 117^41'09''.71 E. The length is approximately 4km, height and width is 500m. Videos: http://www.revver.com/u/retiredafb

4. Another smaller (500m long!!) mother ship is claimed to be a km away from the nose to the south. (I can't see this one on the satellite images but I don't doubt)

5. There are alien city ruins not far from it to the south west, perhaps in the lot bigger crater Alden. Cathedral looking and other buildings, perhaps from metals.

6. There are several currently active mining and mineral processing facilities from the above mentioned spacecraft 120 km to the north east, crater Delporte, and perhaps Litke and the surrounding areas. There are huge towers and other buildings as well.

Solar System, Mars

7. Cydonia. City ruins from the north west of Mars face. No, it has no natural origins, but the face has a name in ancient writings: Anunnaki God. You'll find it around of the equator.

8. Many other ruins at several locations.

9. Alien tunnel network, some part of these glassy tubes are visual from the surface as the wind has blown the dust away from them.

Don't find most of these things on pictures as NASA smudges out whatever they can.

Alpha Centauri System, planet Iarga

10. Benevolent amphibian like humanoid ETs. The star system is a binary, I don't know around of which star their planet orbits I only saw drawings but it has a ring like Saturn has. When approaching stars, don't expect very big planets, mostly it is difficult to spot them and the ecliptics of stars are not necessarily parallel to Sun's. If you meet the Iargians, please don't abuse them. You may get in touch with them, they are friendly and spiritual beings (similar to Pleiadians) but don't make a sensation around them or disturb them in work and avoid silly subjects if you communicate. Unfortunately they already have a dark picture of Earthling humans. :( They also have deep underwater bases on Earth's oceans as other ETs have.

Other Star Systems

There are civilisations around of Alpha Draconis, Orion, Zeta Reticuli, Chi Tauri. There are many races but 99% malevolent. There are also earthling slaves on these planets and in exchange we also have alien races as slaves. They do most of the works with high technologies and human experiments as human workers can find publicity easier than alien races. When a poor alien-raced slave can hardly escape from a nightmare camp and runs into somebody (as it happens many times), the last thing it will get is the help. ("Hey Joe! Look, there is an alien! We are not alooooone!!! Where is the cam? I'll be in the CNN!!!") :cry:

I think that is it for now. Unfortunately I am still struggling to make a successful OBE but of course I will also fly around these places. Good luck and if you have difficulties with navigation to these places just ask and I'll help if I can. :wink:

[sono]

quote="CFTraveler"]Other than suggestion (or directed influencing) what could 'cloak' something like that from view and yet not from cameras?
I'd like to hear ideas, if anyone has any.[/quote]

Hi CF Traveller,
ScienceDaily dated 17 August 2009 has an amazing article called "New mathematical method for Active Cloaking developed" . . .sorry, I printed it & don't have the link to hand but it's also quoted on the Signs of the Tmes website under the Science & Technology section http://www.sott.net/articles/show/19149 ... e-Cloaking (http://www.sott.net/articles/show/191491-New-mathematic-method-for-Active-Cloaking) . . .

[CFTraveler]

First time Astronomers film an UFO:

http://translate.google.com/translate?u ... n&ie=UTF-8 (http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fdailynews.sina.com%2Fbg%2 Fchn%2Fchnoverseamedia%2Fchinapress%2F20090814%2F0 414572568.html&sl=zh-CN&tl=en&hl=en&ie=UTF-8)

Don't ever let anyone say that astronomers have never filmed (or seen) an UFO.

[eyeoneblack]

I can save a lot ink here by just saying I'm on board with Flew. But when Stephen Hawkings weighs in I have to wonder what's up?

http://www.aolnews.com/nation/article/h ... s/19454975 (http://www.aolnews.com/nation/article/hawkings-alien-warnings-divide-ufologists/19454975)

When he mentions Colombus wiping out the Arawaks you have to wonder if he imagines some extra-deminsional 'microbe' capable of sickening an energy body, something we've never encountered and have no defense against. I guess the answer is obvious and therefore must not be the point. I have to believe he's thinking of something we're not. Dark matter/energy maybe. Creatures conceived in Black Holes or from other 'branes'.

Damn him. :x :?

[ButterflyWoman]

Physicists are weird. I've always known it. Some of the weird scenarios they invent just to do thought experiments... Well, it's no wonder Stephen Hawking has some funny ideas.

:D :lol: :P :mrgreen:

[CFTraveler]

Even though I didn't read the whole thing (just the first few paragraphs) I have to assume he was not talking of extradimensionality, and probably partly in jest- unless he actually he thinks they are physical, and haven't come over yet.

Just hitting and running for now.

[eyeoneblack]

Had these thoughts this morning - just put 'em down and figured this was the best place to put it. Don't know if it relates to anything. :|

I saved a link (which I forgot I had already mentioned) to an article on UFO's claiming Steven Hawkings has warned to "stay away from aliens". I wondered, if the smartest man in the world (IMO) has something to say about aliens maybe I should rethink my opinions about UFO's and extraterrestrials.

I've made a conscious effort throughout my adult life to maintain a respectful distance from the New Age, crystal dangling, fad-following crowd that give my interests in psychic development and phenomena a bad rep in conservative society. Along those lines, UFO sightings, alien abductions etc. was one arena I felt I needed to draw the line in order to not be thought a fanatic. But Steven Hawkings?! I'll follow him wherever he goes which means I need to make some adjustments to my 'the world as I see it' model.

I've rocked along all these years in a complacent ambiguity; X Files, Star Trek et. al., Stargate SG-1 (and the other one) and most anything Sci-Fi have been my fav entertainment fodder most all my life. But they're all fiction like Peter Pan and Alice. Aren't they? You see, therein lies the sea-change.

Fortunately, my theories relating to the paranormal remain about as robust as ever. It was never, I don't think, for a lack of understanding that I held some phenomena at arm's length and was rather much prone to poo-poo ‘em. I just didn't feel it had any real relevance - it was Out There - way out there. The problem of course being I have never been so lucky as to see a UFO myself, or to see, more than just sense, a spirit presence; a ghost or an alien.

Then Hawkings comes along and adds an element of imminence to my imaginings. It’s not Out There, it’s right here. I feel like that other reality is more than just a personal journey, but a collective journey and very real for all of us; and is standing at the front door threatening to blow the house down. And if we don’t stop acting like the pigs we are (speaking of the worldly powers) and recognize the possible violence that may result from our refusal to deal openly with these others, be them from outer or inner space, then we may call forth the dark forces leaving the forces of light on the table. (maybe this sort of thing is what 2012 relates to?)

Did I say sea-change?

[CFTraveler]

You should read what Michio Kaku says also.
Cheers.
:D

[sono]

I agree that Hawkings was just making a (feeble) joke, from the tone of what he said. I think that some UFO forums jump on any mention of alien life by anyone & twist the intention behind their words to push for disclosure. I too wish for disclosure, but am not too hopeful any more. If you read the literature from back in 1960 or thereabouts, everyone was buzzing with hope & it still hasn't happened (officially)