Single Most Effective Energy Body Exercise

[Nikolai]

I'm wondering what many of you believe to be the most effective technique for complete energy body development, including the chakras. When exercising the physical body, for example, squats tend to be more effective for overall conditioning than a bicep curl. I'm interested in the specific movements or techniques that have given you the best results, not complete programs. The full body circuit that Mr. Bruce discusses would be one example, I'd imagine. Basically, I'd like to hear what is the most likely to make one have more spontaneous OBEs, prophetic dreams, et cetera.

Thanks,
Nikolai

[Tom]

If I could have only one technique it would be alternate nostril breathing, particularly with the ratio 1:4:2.

[John]

Good question Nikolai.

I can only speak for myself. That is what I have been led to embrace as best for me. I do a daily 20 minute work out on an exercise bike. Before I start I stretch and greet my primary spiritual guide. We talk some and then I greet my light body as I start my exercise. During the exercise I allow the flow of daily areas of interest to express themself to me as I chat with my spiritual guide and sometimes my light body. After I complete the exercise I verbally say my daily affermations to myself while looking into a mirror. My physical body then returns the compliment by speaking, in my imagination, back to me.

This is not a conventional energy body exercise. The intent is to reach beyond the physical energy bodies to higher energy bodies and integrate them with the physical energy body. I was led to do this by spirit.

What is best for each of us is known by spirit, in my opinion. I can only suggest that we make an effort to discover it and evolve it as directed.

John

[alwayson4]

The most effective overall energy body practice is raising energy to the subnavel storage center while in trance.

In other words, if you can do only one practice, that should be your practice.

[Mishell]

The most effective overall energy body practice is raising energy to the subnavel storage center while in trance.

In other words, if you can do only one practice, that should be your practice.

I was told by my spirit guide not to do that exercise.


The thing that works the best for me is clearing and balancing my chakras daily.

[amazingjourney]

The most effective overall energy body practice is raising energy to the subnavel storage center while in trance.

In other words, if you can do only one practice, that should be your practice.

I was told by my spirit guide not to do that exercise.


The thing that works the best for me is clearing and balancing my chakras daily.

I do chakra work every day too and have made some strides on energy body development.

I wonder though why is the subnavel storage not a recommended practice by the spirit? Did your guide explain why not?

[Mishell]

The most effective overall energy body practice is raising energy to the subnavel storage center while in trance.

In other words, if you can do only one practice, that should be your practice.

I was told by my spirit guide not to do that exercise.


The thing that works the best for me is clearing and balancing my chakras daily.

I do chakra work every day too and have made some strides on energy body development.

I wonder though why is the subnavel storage not a recommended practice by the spirit? Did your guide explain why not?

She didn't say and I didn't ask. But I had been doing it for a year before she said to stop.

It was an effective method for quick energy but obviously not what I needed. Maybe doing it was my way of being lazy. :wink:

[alwayson4]

why are taking advice from spirits? I would not trust one even if you paid me.

[Mishell]

why are taking advice from spirits? I would not trust one even if you paid me.

Then you are missing out on a terrific resource that is there for your greater good.

My spirit guide has been a big help to me.

[Nikolai]

Mishell and John - I'm very interested in meeting with my spirit guides. How did you two meet your guides initially? I also believe that they can be a great resource, and I would like to tap into their knowledge. Was the process of meeting them gradual or unexpected?

Thanks,
Nikolai

[Nikolai]

Thanks, by the way, to everyone that is contributing ideas to the thread. I'm very keen on experimenting with your suggestions.

Cheers,
Nikolai

[CFTraveler]

Mishell and John - I'm very interested in meeting with my spirit guides. How did you two meet your guides initially? I also believe that they can be a great resource, and I would like to tap into their knowledge. Was the process of meeting them gradual or unexpected?

Thanks,
Nikolai
I'm going to jump in and say that John has a very nice website called http://www.telepathyacademy.com/ and if you go there and take a look at the 'concepts' page, you'll see a very detailed process for meeting your higher self.
I just thought I'd mention it because he has been very kind and nice about not advertising himself.

CF.

[ButterflyWoman]

why are taking advice from spirits?
Why take advice from humans? :twisted:

[John]

Mishell and John - I'm very interested in meeting with my spirit guides. How did you two meet your guides initially? I also believe that they can be a great resource, and I would like to tap into their knowledge. Was the process of meeting them gradual or unexpected?

Thanks,
Nikolai

I am fond of the concept that life is about love. As I see it, investing yourself and your asperations in a giving manner, will reap great rewards.

Thank you CF for mentioning my site. Those concepts and exercises work when the conscious intent is love and service minded desires. It is always a choice as to how one will approach life and living. All choices are blessed, honored, esteemed, and serve a purpose for the unfolding divine plan, IMO naturally.

Not to get overly off subject with a point I would like to make. Robert Coon speaks about the Omega point. That is when "All points of view are honored and embraced in our hearts". It is this point of realization that sets the tone for true self empowerment through the self love themes I express at my site.

Each of us can reach our most appropriate guidance with the expression of our well thought out intent. This is truly different in expression for each of us. It is also the highest form of love any of us can demonstrate, no matter where it leads us.

To answer your question Nikolai, my process was and is both. I have been caught off guard at times and at other times it has been a gradual unfolding. It is never ending. Meeting your guides and working with spirit is but a step. For a short time you feel as if you have arrived someplace. Then you begin again. What you leave behind is the illusion that you are just a physical being. I was 54 when I made the connection with my primary guide, yet that guide had always been with me, directing me and loving me from at least the age of 10.

John

[wstein]

Breathe slower (and thus deeper).

[sono]

My tuppence worth - breathing, usually in for 4, hold for 12, out for 6 heartbeats & preferably alternate nostrils; also the Middle Pillar excercise.

[Nikolai]

Thanks, John. You're a good man, I think. In time, perhaps I will understand all of the wisdom in your words.

Cheers,
Nikolai

[Young Brother]

Hi all,

About getting in touch with spirit guides. For me the method is the kind of meditation that allows one to enter the space between thought - the quiet mind. The guide speaks to me in this state; if the choice is made to do so by the guide. Sometimes there is only silence.

In my opinion; we are born to live our lives and work through our problems, difficulties and happiness using our own mind and experience gained.

A guide is what it implies a "guide" not a leader. Seek advice from these higher beings only as a last resort and be very carefull how you ask for it. When seeking guidance for myself my initial thought after prayer is "what would you tell me?"

Our every need is known by these higher beings. By asking a direct question, the possibility of an answer which exceeds our limited concious vision my be negated.

Our problems are the fruit of the vine that grows within.

Take care of a problem at source; (the root) and the rest will attend to itself.

This is only my opinion, hope it helps,

YB

[alwayson4]

I just do not see why you need spirit guides, when you can directly contact your Higher Self via the catch basket technique.

[Mishell]

It seems simple enough, if we didn't need them, we wouldn't have them.

Of course there is nothing wrong with asking direct questions from the higher self, if one can do it. But the spirit guide is here for indirect guidance. They nudge us to go in the right direction and help set up opportunities for us to follow our life plans. Any direct interaction we have with them is an addition to what they already do; most of the time, without us even being aware of it.

[alwayson4]

It seems simple enough, if we didn't need them, we wouldn't have them.




We don't have spirit guides.

[Korpo]

We don't have spirit guides.

Catch basket concept means that if somebody met their spirit guide, this has been proven true by their own experience. Not having the experience, however, does not disprove anything. You cannot prove with negatives unless you exhausted all cases.

You would find that a good deal of people can report having met spirit guides or having made contact to them.

Oliver

[CFTraveler]

It seems simple enough, if we didn't need them, we wouldn't have them.




We don't have spirit guides. Do you mean "I don't believe in spirit guides, therefore I don't believe we have spirit guides"?

[Fish]

We don't have spirit guides.

I met mine on the verge of a projection, when you meet yours there will be no doubt in your mind that is who they are.

[alwayson4]

We don't have spirit guides.

Catch basket concept means that if somebody met their spirit guide, this has been proven true by their own experience. Not having the experience, however, does not disprove anything. You cannot prove with negatives unless you exhausted all cases.

You would find that a good deal of people can report having met spirit guides or having made contact to them.

Oliver


In PPSD, it talks about negs masquerading as spirit guides. I do not deny people are contacting spirits. I deny the fact these spirits are guides.


Furthermore there are TWO main points of the Catch Basket article.

a) Base belief system on truth

b) That you have access to all information and guidance through your Higher Self through journaling. It described how to do this as follows

Keep a journal. You write an entry in the journal pertaining to the subject you want to learn more about. You put down what you know for sure. You leave blank areas and questions for what you do not know. You go to bed. You wake up and flesh out your entry with the new knowledge you have gained overnight. Repeat. You may also get hit with knowledge in the middle of the day, if you do this.

I would read the original article if anyone wants to try this.

[Korpo]

In PPSD, it talks about negs masquerading as spirit guides. I do not deny people are contacting spirits. I deny the fact these spirits are guides.

Yes, but you have nothing to base that on.

It is actually in accordance with the catch basket concept that there are several people on this site who believe in spirit guides because it matches their actual experience, be it in or out of body. They experienced the presence of guiding spirits who acted in accordance with their Higher Selves, acted as out-of-body teachers, counsels and helpers. In fact there is a big enough body of accounts where people relate similar things - the presence of well-intending out-of-body helpers - that actually the probability that there are such helpers and guides is comparatively high.

So, for these people the following requirement of the catch basket concept is fulfilled:


Base belief system on truth

But in fact, "experience" would be more accurate. "Experience" and "truth" are not identical, not without a perfect observer to begin with. So it would be more accurate to say that the catch basket concept is defined by "basing your belief system on your own experiences".

This does not make these beliefs true, just more likely to be true. Things that are not verified by experience are not automatically untrue, in fact they just remain "unproven" or "unvalidated" until they either happen or are proven wrong by exclusion of all other cases.

So, the catch basket concept is a helpful tool, but success is neither guaranteed nor does it automatically yield truth. It just helps easing the process to get closer to truth.

And finally, it has never been proven nor disproven that all people have the exact same circumstance, similar guides, similar ways to contact guiding spirits, etc. The fact that someone does not perceive a guide might mean either

* that person has none (but others might), or
* that person has beliefs that skew their perception, or
* one or more guides exist but have reasons not to act directly, or
* there are no guides at all.

Again, the last statement is highly unlikely given the credible accounts that state otherwise.

In the catch basket concept article Robert himself states that he found no personal experience that would prove to him that he had a personal guide. That does not disprove the existence of personal guides or of guides in general. It just is the plain statement that Robert has no experience of that. If he choses to believe afterward there is no such thing as a personal guide then that's just a conscious choice Robert makes for himself.

Given what I just said I see no actual proof against guides, just your personal claim that you don't believe in them. A belief might coincide with a fact, but need not.

Oliver

[CFTraveler]

Which is why I said, it would be better to say "I do not believe in guides, therefore I don't believe there are spirit guides", instead of "There are no spirit guides". Lot simpler and closer to what we have the ability to figure out.

[alwayson4]

In PPSD, it talks about negs masquerading as spirit guides. I do not deny people are contacting spirits. I deny the fact these spirits are guides.

Yes, but you have nothing to base that on.


Oliver


You have nothing to base that they are truly your guides and have your best interests at heart. Maybe in some instances, maybe even in 75% of the cases, but definitely not all.

[Korpo]

But unlike you, I did not claim that. I did not claim "We all have spirit guides." or "Everyone has spirit guides." I just find your statement to be highly likely to be untrue.

I operate under the assumption that we either have guides or there are guides available if we need them. Both assumptions seem to be regularly validated all around. The gains far outweigh any possible risks.

What you are suggesting is that people should stay away from any spirit because they have no means to determine whether the spirit is good or bad (you said that before when you stated you refuse to talk to anything below a deity). That is the equivalent of refusing to speak to any person in around you because they might lie to you. That would make social behaviour impossible, and is extreme. I don't believe it is remotely necessary or a good reaction in the long run.

As when in body out of body everybody has at least their own discernment who is trustworthy or not, based on common sense, clues, hints and other impressions. Out of body there might be actually additional clues, including being capable to establish the identity of a spirit by recognition of what Monroe would call the "indent", or a general impression of the other's energy.

So, with time and experience there are multiple tools available to indentify who is friendly and who not, and a set of inner senses develops helping to establish which beings are friendly and how highly developed they are. I would actually say it is impossible to develop such senses without interacting with other spirit beings first. Similarly I believe there is a "sense of truth" or intuition that develops over time that helps gauge how closely something resembles truth. Again, this needs to be learned and exercised.

Assuming that spirits in general are not trustworthy on the other hand totally excludes this possibility. This also removes one primary source of information about the place one is in in the planes and sharply limits one ability to learn. Monroe, Moen and Leland for example did not chose this approach, their results seem to suggest they did the right thing.

Oliver

[alwayson4]

What you are suggesting is that people should stay away from any spirit because they have no means to determine whether the spirit is good or bad Oliver


I do indeed suggest that.

Let us say somehow, you determine a particular spirit is INDEED good.

My mom (still alive) is a good spirit, but in terms of life advice.....well there is something that is lacking, and that is putting it mildly.

[John]

What you are suggesting is that people should stay away from any spirit because they have no means to determine whether the spirit is good or bad Oliver


I do indeed suggest that.

Let us say somehow, you determine a particular spirit is INDEED good.

My mom (still alive) is a good spirit, but in terms of life advice.....well there is something that is lacking, and that is putting it mildly.

So you have in fact praticed discernment. That is good. I trust you can do the same with unseen spirits.

John

[Korpo]

My mom (still alive) is a good spirit, but in terms of life advice.....well there is something that is lacking, and that is putting it mildly.

Still, you can learn from her. Everything and all is a reflection of what we are, what we could be and what we could have been.

My mother may not be a spiritual teacher in words, but I recently reflected on her life, its lessons and its major story lines. I found impressive substance when compared to the reflections that surround her. I find love, courage and persistence. I see growth. I see someone who might not talk the talk, but walk the walk.

Everything and everyone teaches if one has the right mind and senses to hear.

Oliver