Higher self- Pre-kundalini question

[Psychonaut1984]

I've been reading a bit about Kundalini awakenings. I read something about how your higher self blocks your psychic powers until after you are finished integrating the Kundalini awakenings. So maybe I just don't understand but does this mean that if you have limited success developing your own psychic abilities and have never intentionally/accidentally awakened your Kundalini, that maybe your higher self is just blocking it/you won't get any further until you complete the process of awakening/integrating your Kundalini? Is there something like a psychic police that only allows people to receive higher knowledge/powers when they are deemed worthy?

[ButterflyWoman]

I read something about how your higher self blocks your psychic powers until after you are finished integrating the Kundalini awakenings.
I've had psychic abilities (such as precognitive dreams and empathy) since I was pubescent, and I had other mystical tendencies long before that.

I didn't experience Kundalini until I was about thirty years old.

I will say that after you've gone through all of the repositioning and stablisation and healing and so forth following Kundalini awakening, there seems to be an increase in psychic ability, or perhaps a fine tuning of it, something like that. But I had it prior, as well, I just have more now.


Is there something like a psychic police that only allows people to receive higher knowledge/powers when they are deemed worthy?
I doubt that very much. I wasn't particularly "worthy" and yet I had some very interesting psychic abilities when I was barely spiritually conscious. Worthiness doesn't really have much to do with it, as far as I can tell.

Are athletes more "worthy" of being able to swim fast or jump high, or have they just taken some basic natural abilities and worked on them to build them up and perfect them? Similar thing with psychic abilities, in my view and experience.

[Korpo]

Psychonaut1984,

I would drop the whole Kundalini idea out of it, it's just confusing the whole picture. Kundalini is just Kundalini. But that's another topic.

In general my observations are these:

* Some people are granted psychic powers to aid their spiritual development. Robert Monroe's spontaneous OBEs are an example of a power that materialized before any specifically spiritual interest happened. He might have been mature enough to have the experience, but this what given to him. So sometimes psychic experiences are granted to help personal growth.

* Some people that desire psychic powers very much are actually denied access to them. Maybe because it is a selfish desire, maybe because they are not ready, maybe because they need to develop something else first before laying hands on this. What people want is not always what they need. Quite the opposite.

These are some general observations, not hard rules.

It's not about the Kundalini. It's about the unresolved stuff within you. Kundalini surges can flush that out. Personal development, therapy, energy work, karmic life events and Higher Self guidance, too. Etc. Life is *designed* to make this happen, to facilitate growth and instill insight by all means necessary, be they psychic, energetic, everyday or extraordinary, even miraculous.

In this sense it is not about "integrating Kundalini", but about integrating yourself. As long as there is unresolved stuff within yourself, you are not whole. Call it blocked, dissociated, soul loss or soul division - the normal human mind is not a whole, but only the lesser parts. Integrating this is spiritual development, as it is inevitable that by experiencing the greater whole one does experience the spirit beyond at some point. Spirit and mind are not separate, as in any whole there exists spirit. The more you integrate, the more you experience spirit and union, the feeling of being whole.

Psychic powers can become more accessible when our personal motivations align with higher motivations for growth and learning. They can cease and dry up when we just use them for kicks or selfish reasons. Exceptions exist when they are important to life purpose. The intention for growth as a person beyond the bounds of egoic existence can lead the way.

Oliver

[CFTraveler]

The direction this thread is taking just brought forth an interesting factoid for me that I just noticed- I see people seeing Kundalini as an external thing that either happens to you or 'comes in' to you. But as Oliver so aptly put it, what becomes problematic is the unresolved stuff in you, of you, as you.
Wouldn't you agree that what Kundalini is isn't external to you, but a 'rewiring' of that which is you, a 'rebalancing', regardless of how traumatic or explosive (or implosive) it is? It's just you, another way of your growth. But you nonetheless.
Just a thought.

[Korpo]

I wouldn't call it a "rebalancing". It's a force that rocks the boat. The harder you resist, the harder you cling to your attachments, the harder it comes at you. This can be pretty unbalancing. It's going straight at the problems.

From the descriptions I read it is more like a sand blast - laying things bare. Blasting away the crusted structures. More like suddenly being a snail without a house. The certainties gone, the coordinates no longer making sense. The Kundalini event itself takes away balance, that's why there is a "Kundalini Syndrome" I guess. You have to take a system out of balance to facilitate radical change. (A system in balance is pretty change-proof. Either slow, persistent change attempts or big blasts. I guess Kundalini events are the big blasts.)

That's what I get from the descriptions. I would call it a "unwiring" - you have to make the connections anew, but with the chances of better choices. This is just an idea - but from there on your core has to reintegrate the stuff that is not within it again. The more integrated you were to begin with, the less traumatic and the less wild the ride. I personally believe no matter what way you do it, it is about integrating yourself.

Oliver

[alwayson4]

Korpo is right on the money

Kudalini is a mechanism that evolves you to higher consciousness.

Now how does it do it?

It forces you to A)clean up your belief system b) deal with any issues you have had c) it flash activates primaries

If you do not do A or B, you will go insane. Psychic abilites will NOT manifest. High level abilites are dependent on inner balance, not kundalini in of in itself. That is why it is suggested to do A and B right from the beginning BEFORE kundalini.


So my understanding is, is that people should work on A and B, as this will evolve you to the higher consciousness.

For A, you can write down your all the things you know is true from personal experience, for example OBE/AP. Toss everything else, you do not have personal experience with. If OBE is not real for you, you have to toss that as well.
Then you start working with properly worded affirmations. Say them outloud EVERY day. It will show you, that YOU, are God. In the book "Energy Work", it says that developing the energy body is like starting a car. Affirmations input the destination.

For B, you can do Core Image removal in trance state. Also, I try to go through as much childhood memories in trance. Just by bringing them to the surface helps enormously.

Of course energy work should also be done

[star]

Osho sounded like he was going insane before he got better. Heh.

The development of abilities can be increased by bringing more chi and ether into the body and chakras daily. What also helps is using them, and stretching them. Kundalini increase development of abilities becuase it forces you to deal with your psyche issues. The mind blocks plenty of abilties from you, even decreases the chances of making simple things work. Trance gets around this much of the time, but then you need practice working in trance as well.

I suggested to someone, that I want them to raise my Kundalini - and it made them uneasy becuase they don't want me to suffer and terrible consequences. But I'm sure that it can be done in a safe way.

I think the best way to develop abilties is to create a daily routine, and attempt to work in groups of two or more as often as possible.

Ah, I almost forgot, in my workings with my higher self, i've never noticed it holding back anything from me, it was just what I was able to percieve, what i could notice under my own power. Although playing around inside him long enough did grant me some things that I never noticed before. Even speaking to the other souls inside him passed some information into my subconcious that I'm sure I can use later when it surfaces.

I can't say for 100% certainty that someone's higher self somewhere is not holding back anyone's abilities. It just hasn't seemed that way in my case.

[niki123]

Wow,I fell that i should answer your post and my K awakening started 2 1/2 years ago.I've been intuitive or psychic and i never lost it along the way.It can be blocked to speed up your awakening so that you feel terribly alone and you feel like everybody has deserted you and that's the dark night of the soul and yes it doesn't last for only one night,lol.You have to find yourself and then you feel blissful again and everything feels right again.It just feels like you got your mojo back.It is during those alone times that we grow the most and we must find ourselves and believe again.The alonness and absence of our gifts is just an illusion.I've gone through it a few times and it's all still there. :lol:

[Psychonaut1984]

Wow,
All of your posts were so helpful. Its weird because some of the things some of you were saying actually reaffirmed some things that I have been thinking to myself not necessarily in regards to Kundalini in particular but what I need to do with myself right now in general.
I have had a rocky past, and these past couple of years I feel like I have come to a period of intense healing almost like a spiritual growth spurt. I hit some bumps along the way but especially starting this summer when I had my first AP, I feel like things are starting to come together finally. For once I am starting to really feel like a whole person. By no means is everything perfect but I am taking baby steps to rewiring myself.
One thing I hear a lot about Kundalini is that it is like being sand blasted... Personally I really would like to rewire myself, I would accept the awakening if it ever started. How does one know when they are really ready. I mean REALLY ready? Do problems with awakened Kundalini happen from just conscious resisting or can a person resist, almost like a defense mechanism not really on purpose but almost like a knee jerk reaction?

[niki123]

Your ego will resist but the more you resist and are being afraid the harder is on you.It can be horrible so you must check your fear at the door or you can become psychotic unless you are aware enough to believe that someone is really watching over you and under those circumstances prayer works wonders.It can give you something to hold on to when things get really weird and believe me that they do get extremely weird,weird enough to make you question your sanity at times.Extreme bouts of crying can occur that last several hours per day for a month or two or who knows.When you are getting ready for K ? Well,first of all you'll feel very unhappy with your life,bored,nothing makes you happy and in some people like me,you'll feel this internal screaming and it's all inside of you.If you are lucky and you know what it is ,unlike me,you'll know what's coming.I just had this internal screaming and had no idea what it was.

[Aunt Clair]

I've been reading a bit about Kundalini awakenings. I read something about how your higher self blocks your psychic powers until after you are finished integrating the Kundalini awakenings.
I do not believe HS can block psychic powers . Psychic and clairvoyant powers are increased though when the knowledge and communication of the HS has been attained .
When speaking of integrating it seems to me that we integrate the lessons of life . I have not heard of integrating the kundalini energy per se .

So maybe I just don't understand but does this mean that if you have limited success developing your own psychic abilities and have never intentionally/accidentally awakened your Kundalini, that maybe your higher self is just blocking it/I don't believe that HS would have reason to block development even if it could and I feel confident that HS does not block us but instead leads us forward in development .


you won't get any further until you complete the process of awakening/integrating your Kundalini? Is there something like a psychic police that only allows people to receive higher knowledge/powers when they are deemed worthy?
No. Energy , a human energy body draws in to build up the light quotient of the Human Energy Body , will increase its vibration . As the vibration increases , the powers increase . Kundalini is one aspect of this increase but not the sole cause . Kundalini does not rise once .It has multiple events some rising , some descending upon the spine . Anyone can develop abiliites if they will dedicate self to development and they will learn to ;
* attain trance
* sit in meditation
* do energy work
* project
* practice clairvoyance , clairaudience
* engage in metaphysical practices of all kinds
* reflect upon choices and actions
* forgive and let go of emotional garbage and angst
* give service and energy in the form of time , money , and healing

[Ouroboros]

* Some people that desire psychic powers very much are actually denied access to them. Maybe because it is a selfish desire, maybe because they are not ready, maybe because they need to develop something else first before laying hands on this. What people want is not always what they need. Quite the opposite.

What about black mages, psychic vampires, etc.? Surely, these are people who should not have been allowed access to psychic abilities, yet they have attained them. My personal opinion is that rather than higher self or some other "higher" blocking, in the cases of many that strongly desire psychic abilities there may be deep-seated belief system filters that prevent them from manifesting abilities. As much as they want power on the surface, their ego doesn't believe it's possible for them to wield it.

I do acknowledge that you said:
These are some general observations, not hard rules. I just wanted to put out my take on it. :)

[Korpo]

I just wanted to put out my take on it. :)

:D

In "Autobiography of a Yogi" a person is granted by a guru contact to a spirit servant and abilities. The man took the gift, but soon started to abuse it, even becoming a thief and blackmailer in the process. One day he met the guru again and was held accountable. The tale ended that he repented, and the guru granted that the servant would make sure he would be fed modestly and had enough drink, and the man retired to a cave to review his life in meditation.

Here the psychic power served both as a possible facilitator for growth, but also as a temptation. The man might have been ready to some degree, but handled the ability irresponsibly. So, sometimes things go wrong, free will, being human and all.

About the black mages and psychic vampires - I actually have no idea how people gain access to psychic powers that so crassly deviate from any positive life intent and steer so clearly away from any real spiritual development. I always wondered if that is the prime risk of purely mechanistic approaches towards development - that you can activate certain things within the human being without actually starting to develop in the direction of Source. It has been a personal conviction of mine that without the intent to grow spiritually development techniques can be abused to build power instead of helping evolution. Maybe that is why so many techniques have been kept secret...

I think you can supplant earnest longing with a lot of will. The more will, the less place for grace, inspiration and intuition. I think willpower is more than just a word.

Just wondering, I don't really know.

Oliver

[Palehorse Redivivus]

What about black mages, psychic vampires, etc.? Surely, these are people who should not have been allowed access to psychic abilities, yet they have attained them. My personal opinion is that rather than higher self or some other "higher" blocking, in the cases of many that strongly desire psychic abilities there may be deep-seated belief system filters that prevent them from manifesting abilities. As much as they want power on the surface, their ego doesn't believe it's possible for them to wield it.

I'm not convinced that all metaphysical ability comes from trying for it, or even wanting it. In the case of psi-vamps, I knew someone I'm pretty sure is one... but is also as close to rational skepticism about all things metaphysical as one can get while still holding some form of spirituality (Judaism in this case). I've also had to learn that "metaphysically able" and "decent person" don't always go together -- I've known people with demonstrable abilities who were extremely emotionally immature, and another that was both immature AND had no discernable ethical framework as far as I could tell. From what I've seen, I'm half inclined to believe there are times when meta ability goes "tag, you're it," and hopefully the person is able to deal with that without self destructing... or other-people-destructing.

My thought is that things like emotional maturity, metaphysical ability, willpower, a sense of ethics and responsibility to one's fellow beings, a sense of oneness, intellectual development, wisdom, ability to give and receive love... these things are all technically separate areas of development. Ideally they would be worked on together in a balanced way... but there's nothing saying they have to be (or even that everyone has to operate with the same ideals and value system). In reality if someone wants to focus on some and not others, there's no cosmic police force and nothing else to stop them other than the weigh of their own imbalances and natural consequences of one's actions. It could also be that some people are born more developed in some areas, same as some people are born with above average intelligence, athletic, artistic or what have you.

I think a lot depends on what the chakras are doing... willpower, metaphysical ability and love/interconnectedness being largely tied into the solar plexus, crown/brow, and heart, respectively. They can be overdeveloped, underdeveloped, damaged, blocked and interfered with in all sorts of combinations, whether the person involved is even aware of it or not... and IMO that accounts for a lot of the diversity we see as far as the abilities and inclinations a person shows in all the aforementioned areas.

Maybe it would be more helpful to view metaphysical abilities similarly to how we might view the physical senses, and various "normal" talents, rather than something we "get" or something that necessarily demonstrates some sort of "advancement"?

[star]

IMO - gaining abilities has nothing to do with becoming a 'better' person. Hell, I can do it and I used to accidently hurt people. Heh.
I consider it more of a energy body thing, like muscles. Also beliefs can block abilities.
But a strong energy worker can easily push someone past that too.

I know - I didn't think many things were possible, that have happened to a chump like I!

[Jaco]

I don't think that psychic abilities are some kind of "reward" for being highly developed or moral. I see them as a skill that can be learnt, as a tool for personal usage. How people are going to use them is another story. :)

[Korpo]

Well, I guess "muscles" is a good analogy - some people are just born to have a certain metabolism and build, and some work hard. Working hard will yield a certain build, too, so it is not all pre-determined.

So, the psy-vamps seem to come "with it", but other people invested a lot of work to get there. There's always talent in varying degrees, I guess.

Oliver

[Jananz]

All people have psychic powers, it just depends if you develop them or suppress them. Psychic powers are intimately related to ones bioenergetic level, and since kundalini is an amplification of metabolic energy and the energy of consciousness psychic powers are usually greatly amplified during an awakening. In fact an increase in supersensation, precognition, high level dreams, telepathy, revelation, visions etc...is the one of the main signs that one is indeed entering an awakening...this along with extreme sexual drive with no necessary object of desire.

If you are already sensitive (open) enough to be having an awakening, chances are you won't misuse your psychic powers...however it is extremely difficult for an initiate in the throws of having megavolts plowing through their hippocampus (memory) and limbic system (emotion) to integrate and orientate this psychic knowledge into the steeped down egoic mode of our everyday social realm. Thus learning where to put ones omniscience and to pull all forces into a creative and uplifting outcome is where surrender to the genius is necessary. Since one can feel and know so deeply into the nature of our collective reality, and since ones entire life comes to a nexus in space and time...knowing that the highest Muse is focused on the Sacred Arts of species survival and uplift allows us to not get wound up in the endless leviathan of personal introversion. And thus we expand to infinity and bring our High Art into the world to the well-being of all creatures.

When we do the work of upgrading our cellular metabolism, detoxing that which occludes the light, marrying the hemispheres, and withdrawing our focus from the left-brain and putting it into the right-brain and enteric brain...when we integrate all this through the heart to Whole Person functioning, then we will live increasingly in a luminous dream of multilayered meaning and endless mirrored reflections in Kairos (archetypal time).

“Synchronicities are expressions of the dreamlike nature of reality – moments in time when the timeless, dreamlike nature of the universe shines forth its radiance and openly reveals itself to us, offering an open doorway to lucidity.” Paul Levy