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Korpo
29th August 2007, 07:22 AM
Hello, I'm posting this article as channeled by Celia Fenn. It is under a Creative Commons License allowing this reproduction. :)

So, enjoy! :D


Re-patterning our Sexuality: Preparation for Living on the New Earth

The Hathors through Celia Fenn

Dearest Family, and we call you this because as you move into your ascension you come closer and closer to us. Only once before have we been this close to you, and that was when we worked with you in Egypt. Then, as now, our teachings were about beauty, love and power. We are the singers and dancers of the Cosmos, and we come to teach you how to channel and to use your sexual energies in ways that are beautiful and creative and more appropriate for you at this time in your evolution.

We want you to realise that you are powerful and creative beings, and that your sexual energy is a fundamental part of your creative energy. The recent Venus transit has brought to the fore issues of sexuality in your lives. It is time to release old patterns that are held in the Collective Consciousness and replace them with new patterns more suited to where you are now. And it is of this that we need to speak today.

The Imbalances in History

For many thousands of years your sexual energy has been out of balance as a culture. First, you lived in a female-dominated society, called a Matriarchy. Then, more recently, you shifted to a male-dominated society, called a Patriarchy. Both of these modes of cultural being were based on power - the power of one group over another, defined by gender. And so, in your genetic memory and in the Akashic records, are many stories of dominance and control, and unhealthy or imbalanced patterns of abuse and victimization.

In your most recent phase, Patriarchy, power was given to the male, to dominate over the female and children. This has given rise to cultures today where men have absolute control over the lives of women and children, as in the Middle East, to cultures in the developed world where the control is more subtle and less overt. Yet even in these societies, you have problems such as pornography and women and child abuse. In some cases, babies are raped and children tortured in a distorted play of sex and power.

In the Western world, these patterns of power over and the abuser/victim archetypes lie deep in the Collective Mind, and are unfortunately tied up with love and spirituality. But how can that be? You might ask- what has sexual abuse to do with spirituality, or even love?

Well, if you go back in time several hundred years, you will come to a time in the Christian world when male priests and clerics persecuted and tortured female "witches" who were quite often healers and teachers of the so-called Pagan or Wiccan religions. This persecution was carried out in the name of Christianity, and it was given spiritual validity. The torture and murder was undertaken to "save and purify" the souls of those deemed witches, by cleansing them in fire.

But, underlying this were levels of sexual sadism, as male celibate priests played out their repressed and distorted sexual urges on the women who were their "victims". Many years later, issues such as pornography and sexual abuse so rife in your societies, find their roots in this era. Many of you have Past Life memories of the intense physical sensations of sexual pain and distorted pleasure that accompanied these experiences, and still exist in active form in the Collective Memory Banks. And so, in the present, you as a culture continue to play out these dramas in order to resolve your soul's addictions to these intense levels of distorted sexual energy charge.

In the African and Arab and many Eastern cultures, often in Muslim dominated areas, this sexual sadism and abuse is also present in the cruel practice of female genital mutilation, also known as female "circumcision". In this custom, the ability to enjoy normal physical sexual pleasure is taken from the woman, normally at a very young age, about twelve. This form of domination and abuse is also practised in the name of virtue and spirituality. What a sad place your planet has become, and so ready for changes and shifts. So ready to begin the process of re-patterning your sexuality into more healthy and loving forms.

Please understand, we seek to criticize and judge no-one here. For, as you know, there are no "victims" in these self-created dramas, and ALL involved must be responsible for the energies and for bringing them back into balance. And that means all of you.

It is not only sexuality that has been affected, but love too. It is so difficult fo any couple to express their love through sexuality in a balanced way. There are so many images and stories in your culture that insist that one must dominate the other, and that sex is a "right" that one may demand of the other within a relationship. Even with love, it is often difficult for you to deal with these issues in your relationships and to be loving and balanced. We see so many of you struggling with these issues and the residues of your Past Life conditioning.

The First Step of Healing and Re-Patterning: Balancing the Inner Masculine and Feminine Energies

In a Patriarchal culture, it is not only men that shift out of balance. Everyone does. Today, many of the women among you have dominant male energies, and are needing to reconnect with the Inner Female energies. This has been the result of Feminism in your culture, which, "liberated" women and allowed them to develop their potential in ways never before experienced. But it has also lead to many of them becoming too masculine. Also, as a result of Feminism, many men in your western cultures have sought to reconnect with their Inner Feminine energies, ironically becoming too feminine and passive. And so we have a new "out of balance" situation, where women are often too masculine and men are too feminine.

So - the key to finding balance for every individual is to balance the Inner male and Female energies, in order to create a new template for the Collective Consciousness, one that will replace the older one.

Each of you needs to be connected to the inner Male energy. It is the energy of the Spiritual Warrior and Leader within you. This is the Solar energy. It is radiant, strong, confident, warm and assertive. It is the energy of "doing". It tells you when you need to assert yourself, it gives you confidence and helps you to get things done in the material world. It is outward flowing and active.

The Feminine energy is the Lunar energy. It is soft, receptive, gentle, loving and unconditional, but also very powerful. It is the energy of being. It is inward flowing and passive (as in peaceful). It allows you to be with yourself and with others in non-judgemental ways. It is the place where creative ideas are conceived and birthed and then passed to the masculine so that they may become real in the world.

In a balanced individual, there is a balanced flow between being and doing, active and passive, masculine and feminine. And this inner balance is reflected in the outer or external world in the creation of relationships between beings who are equally balanced in themselves and so can create and maintain relationships that are balanced and loving.

A balanced relationship being one where neither partner dominates the other, spiritually, mentally, emotionally and or sexually.

New Earth Relationships

New Earth relationships will be so different to the relationships you now have. They will be gentler and more playful and yet wise. There will be less intensity and drama, and more caring, nurturing and companionship. You will come to realise that the purpose of relationship, all relationship, is to "relate" - to share and to support and to nuture from your own sense of abundance and completeness.

You will look for relationships that are spiritual and heart-based, rather then physical and emotional. In the Old Earth relationship paradigm, relationships were based on physical atrraction and emotional bonding. In the New earth, your relationships will be based in the heart, in feelings, compassion, connection and mutual respect and support. We forsee many relationships growing between people of different age groups and different cultures, relationships that will be deep and meaningful, and yet would not have seemed possible before because of the narrow limitations of what you considered a relationship to be in your Old Earth energy framework.

These relationships will be light and joyous, and yet capable of real depth and intimacy because the people concerned will be more interested in the connections of the soul rather than the connections of the external and the physical realms.

There will be sharing and caring, and yet both partners will be independent and self-reliant within themselves. There can be no co-dependency in the New Earth. Balance is so important. These relationships will be balanced and loving, between two equally powerful and caring persons. There will be no dominance, no victims, no dramas and no abuse.

There will be commitment - commitment to the relationship and the mutual growth of each of the partners within the relationship. And this will be true for all relationships, not just love or romantic relationships. Friendships will become deeper and more meaningful experiences, as you understand that you have soul families, and that your friends often are close soul relations who are here to love and support you in your work on the planet. And when your relationships exist in this loving and balanced state, then your sexuality will also be loving and balanced. And, once again humans will learn to celebrate and enjoy their creative and sexual energies in ways that are life-enhancing and ecstatic. And we are here to work with you and love you and support you as you move into this loving and love-filled space.(taken verbatim from: http://www.starchildglobal.com/starchild/sexuality.html)

Smoxes
29th August 2007, 09:55 AM
Interesting read. I find it funny how it focused on Patriarchy and how society is so messed up due to it. Yet with Matriarchy, there was just the imbalance of it. No sexual distortions, no destruction or sexual abuse which females used over males. All the same, I understood that there needs to be balance, which I'm inclined for.

I still find it funny.

However, I wonder what the view then is about homo/bisexual behaviour, considering how "men are too feminine and women are too masculine". Or of BDSM which is about power between dominance and submission. I wonder if it's thought of as distorted sexual pain and being severely out of balance, if so I might not agree to that. I mean, it is ^_^', but between consensual adults... Thinking on it, though, I can see how it might be thought of as one way the "soul's addictions" is trying to purge itself. Hmmmm. I wonder what people think of that.

I wish there was more emphasis on different sexual activities/practices and lifestyles which differ than the norm. Would they be seen as acceptable? Or just another soul purge?

So, New Earth. I wonder if we humans will survive long enough to see it O_o Certainly, the earth may still be around. Truthfully, I often imagine the peoples of the world turning to a state of peace and unconditional love but then I usually become dismayed. If this New Earth were to occur, I fear it will not be in my lifetime.

That it (could) happens is still a happy thought.

Korpo
29th August 2007, 10:36 AM
Hello, Smoxes.

It is happening *right now*.

I don't think it is any different for homosexual relationships, if you find the soul that is your match this has no importance, but that's only IMO, and not in the message.

Sorry, but I don't think this is true for BDSM. What comes from the ego and what comes from the heart? The desire to control comes not from heart IMO, but from the ego. The submission just mimicks the real trusting act of exposing yourself to a loved one, but it is not the real thing, IMO.

Again, only my opinion, but I think people are pretty good to emulate what they really want deep down in quite confusing ways. It may on the surface look like the same thing, it seems to carry the same traits, but it will not come down to the same ultimately.

People do weird things out of love, or their hurt relationship with love. But that is a burden attached to the real love, something that gets bundled with love because of our neurotic tendencies, and because we can feel the real love below the neurosis, we believe it is all part of love. But in my experience it is not. If you focus on the love and dissolve everything neurotic around it, the love stays.

I don't want to be unkind, but I cannot agree with you on this. (If I understand you correctly) The underlying assumption you implicitly express that "consenting adults" are actually emotionally mature beings. You will find that is rarely the case. Becoming an adult is comparatively easy to, else we would not have billions of them. ;)

Oliver

Mishell
29th August 2007, 12:00 PM
Smoxes said

I wish there was more emphasis on different sexual activities/practices and lifestyles which differ than the norm. Would they be seen as acceptable?

I think Celia Fenn is being ambiguous as to sexual orientation for a reason. It is not important. This seems to be the whole point of the article:


In a balanced individual, there is a balanced flow between being and doing, active and passive, masculine and feminine. And this inner balance is reflected in the outer or external world in the creation of relationships between beings who are equally balanced in themselves and so can create and maintain relationships that are balanced and loving.

Balance. Inside first. Then it will manifest in our outer environment. Once this happens, we see the world as being changed already.

All we have to do is find our own balance.

star
29th August 2007, 12:12 PM
Meh, I was told to find a girl to have sex with, before trying to get into a relationship. Regardless, I find myself to be a 6' 2" Athletic Br-hair-Br-eyed Virgin.

It was do to the meditation and energy healing really. Im just more interested in the person, than having sex with the person.

Can I post my interests too? any takers? :D

Mishell
29th August 2007, 12:18 PM
A dating sub-sub-forum in the Love sub-forum. :lol: :lol: :lol:

(oh, not offering Star. *taken*)

Good luck though. :wink:

Korpo
29th August 2007, 12:25 PM
Hey, James, told by whom? Your Higher Self?

If so, go with it. I'm having the time of my life because I started listening for real.

All will sort out. Find out what your real wishes are. Write them down. Send them into the Universe. Be open for the outcome.

Oliver

Mishell
29th August 2007, 12:31 PM
Oliver gives good advice.
Find out what your real wishes are. Write them down. Send them into the Universe. Be open for the outcome.

And don't ever feel like you have to settle for less than exactly what you want. :wink:

star
29th August 2007, 01:25 PM
Hey, James, told by whom? Your Higher Self?

If so, go with it. I'm having the time of my life because I started listening for real.

All will sort out. Find out what your real wishes are. Write them down. Send them into the Universe. Be open for the outcome.

Oliver

Las Vegas friends. :)

Korpo
29th August 2007, 01:35 PM
Las Vegas friends. :)

Somehow a slight doubt about the validity of the advice came over me. ;)

This sounds a bit like the advice would be "figure out sex first, then find someone to love". Sounds awful.

Nobody is better to find this stuff out with than someone that loves you from the heart. The other person will not give you a hard time just because you are the unexperienced one, that would not be love.

Think of it the other way round - anyone that is truly loving you would have a great time driving you crazy again and again, because everything is new for you. That's a thought to put out into your energy field. ;) :D

Oliver

CFTraveler
29th August 2007, 02:29 PM
The submission just mimicks the real trusting act of exposing yourself to a loved one, but it is not the real thing, IMO.
In fact, psychological studies have shown that most 'submissives' are actually in charge, since they have transcended abuse issues and have changed them to 'badge of honor' type of thing. Because they 'can handle it'. Ego doubled.

And, before anyone asks me to source this, anything written about sado masochism in any psychological journal says this. I read this in college, (many years ago, before the internet was invented :P ) so it shouldn't be hard to verify.

Zak
29th August 2007, 04:44 PM
I enjoyed reading that channeling very much!

The matriarcle socities existed so fr back that we don't have as much evidence from them as we do from the closing patriarchal socitie we're currently finishing up. I would assume there would be similar types of abuse way back then as there was during the last patriarchal "phase".

Think amazonian women keeping men locked up in cages and used only for procreation. Lol maybe it wasn't that extreme all over. Come to think of it Egypt was a very patriarchal society and they existed as far back as 5,000 b.c. which was when this said matriarchal society existed.

The "new earth NOW" shift is all about embodying the truth of universal balance NOW so that shifts occur outside of ourselves. It's not about sitting around waiting for someone else to do it and then you can go join in. We ALL have to be part of creating the change we want to see, from conscious living and farming to conscious communities and governing systems. This all starts with the individual and all the aspects of your life need to be sorted out. This includes your health and diet, your spirituality, your sexuality and relationships etc.

BDSM is something I've been pondering about lately. IMO it's not so much about n issue with dominance or submission. These two ways of being are natural, like yin and yang. It would be unhealthy IMO to be overly attached to one or the other but both these ways of being exist in our society around us. Take for example a boss at work who is dominating his workers who are submissive. This is the way it has to be because the boss is the one overseeing all the work everyone else is doing and has to have that control to make things function properly.

What IS unhealthy is wether the boss abuses that dominance. For example he yells at his employees to make them work harder.

In regards to inflicying pain on another person with their consent, I'm not sure on that one. My gut reaction is this is unhealthy. It's not the act of dominating someone that is unhealthy it's abusing your body. Pain to your body damages meridians causing them to break up. Same as anything like tattoo's and piercings, this will damage the meridians in that area.

This then gets into iffy territory again because we look at some cultures that used these things (piercing and tttoo's) in a spiritual manner and they have very ornate and artistic stuff done to their body. Again this is another thing that I am not sure about...

The body knows best. Pain is a response from the nervous system telling you that your body is being breached in a certain area. Don't ever listen to the saying "no pain no gain". Any athlete know sthat if they push through a pain they are having is going to result in a worse inury which will affect them lter on in their career.

Smoxes
29th August 2007, 06:25 PM
Yello, Korpo


It is happening *right now*.

I've noticed changes, sure, but I'd like to live long enough to witness the full effects, that we all are in tune and are spiritually at peace with each other and the earth. That, I don't think will happen for a long time. I know it matters not whether I'm alive to see it, just so long that it happens. But I still wanna see ^_^

As for BDSM, I am not a part of its lifestyle and really shouldn't speak for it. I'm mostly curious what's thought of it and other lifestyles which aren't typified as normal. As for it, I'm on the fence about the issue but I wouldn't judge people who practice. As with any act, sexual or otherwise, people do emulate their desires in confusing ways, yes, but who's to say whether or not it's healthy except for the individuals themselves (assuming they're emotionally in control)? We all perceive differently, anyway.

What CFTraveler wrote as for submissives transcending their abuse issues, and I'd like to add becoming fully open towards their partner, is another way they experience the totality of their love or of being open for it. It's still love, it's just expressed differently. I hope I didn't botch that up @_@

Like I said, I'm on the fence about it, not a spokeswoman of the culture, but I like being open to differences and hearing what people think ^_^


I don't want to be unkind, but I cannot agree with you on this. (If I understand you correctly) The underlying assumption you implicitly express that "consenting adults" are actually emotionally mature beings. You will find that is rarely the case. Becoming an adult is comparatively easy to, else we would not have billions of them. ;)

I kinda have this poke-fun belief that 99.9% of people, all ages, are not emotionally mature beings. So, no, not what I meant ^_^ I wasn't too clear on it, sorry, but I was just wondering that BDSM might be thought of as distorted and out of balance even though it's (assuming it is) between consenting adults within the BDSM culture, emotionally mature or otherwise.

Mishell wrote:

I think Celia Fenn is being ambiguous as to sexual orientation for a reason. It is not important.

I know. I just like knowing more. And so I can ponder on it. ^_^ Even though that article had delayed my sleep pondering about it for quite a while, I'd still like more!

Caelrie
13th November 2007, 08:15 PM
I don't agree with this at all, and I find glaring contradictions within it. For instance, it starts off talking about how everyone needs to balance the inner masculine and feminine, which sounds great. But soon it devolves into a rant against feminism and voicing support of traditional gender roles which were just oppressive in the first place.

Which is it? Should we all be balanced or should we all stick to traditional gender roles where the men are MEN! and the wimminz are wimminz? Why be so hung up on it? Let people be masculine or feminine if they want. What difference does it make if it's the men who are more feminine or the women who are more masculine? Why does that even matter except as a completely artificial and arbitrary system of conservative "family values"?

It seems to me to be a traditionalist conservative trying to hide in the skin of a new ager.

The "New Earth" and "Old Earth" stuff leaves me cold, too. What's supposed to bring this about? Why would all of humanity suddenly be different? I can't think of any time in history that happened, so why would it now? Isn't it better if we work for it ourselves instead of believing it'll magically happen for everyone?

And finally, where's the evidence that humanity started in matriarchies? As far as I know, those theories were abandoned in the last century after fieldwork continually failed to uncover evidence of such societies.

I know it's just my opinion, and I hope no one is offended, but I think this is an example of what Robert was talking about in his writing about the blatant deceptions of many spirits who contact new age mediums. The spirit seems to be constrained by the new age system of beliefs of the medium rather than being honest.

Korpo
13th November 2007, 08:32 PM
Which is it? Should we all be balanced or should we all stick to traditional gender roles where the men are MEN! and the wimminz are wimminz?

I think you are over-interpreting something here. A man can be as totally out of touch with one of the energies of the duality as a woman, regardless of which energy. Both genders are advised to embody both qualities, nowhere is it said anyone should revert to previous gender roles. That's a very big difference.

There is a difference between equal rights for women and a feminist movement, including both female and male feminists, that suddenly lets itself be instrumentalised for the war in Afghanistan, for example. Suddenly the role of the Afghan women became a veritable reason to go to war... Not realising however that this was just another excuse for going to war by people who don't even know what equality is.

I think nothing is won if a woman has to totally emulate a man to be make a career. In my eyes then not women have succeeded, but the male role model again. Therefore ironically strengthening the partriarchical model again.

The balancing of energies is described that way that human beings should be complete in themselves to go beyond roles. And then bring that balanced aspect into relationships. And to everything else. Like in a career where it should not even be of any importance whether you are male or female, and also the only accepted model for success should not stem from a model that is traditionally seen as patriarchal and "male".

Nowhere in the article anyone demands that women or men fit in old roles. However, from my point of view, the "softie" and the "radical feminist" are just shallow templates, too. Women and men should feel free to be who they are within and not feel pressured to struggle. This involves removing the mental models, not celebrating them. Neither career woman or house wife, softie or macho, and so on - all these dualities are shallow and imbalanced. But even now people are living unbalanced, unauthentic lives on such stereotypes, and even are required by their partners to be like that, even if both sides are not happy deep down with all these stereotypes, because they *always* limit your possibilities as a being.

Oliver

Caelrie
13th November 2007, 09:12 PM
I think you are over-interpreting something here. A man can be as totally out of touch with one of the energies of the duality as a woman, regardless of which energy. Both genders are advised to embody both qualities, nowhere is it said anyone should revert to previous gender roles. That's a very big difference.
It's possible you're right and I'm over-interpreting this. I'll have to think about it some more. It just pings my intuition though when I see someone decrying feminism as causing women to "become men" because it's so incredibly similar to the traditionalist family-values organizations that wholeheartedly believe a man's place is a man's place and a woman's place is a woman's place.

I realize I have a... errm... unique perspective on this issue and that makes me see things differently than almost anyone I know, but "male" and "female" energies make no sense to me whatsoever. We all pretty much accept that at some level in the hierarchy, everything is without gender, right? I mean, most of us here don't believe "god" is a man or a woman. Why then would energies flowing out of that being be divided by gender? What would the purpose of that be?

To me it's like the distinction George Lucas makes between the light and dark sides of the force. To me that was always a silly distinction. It seemed like all there should be is The Force and your intention in using it is what makes it seem like or dark.

I see gender energies the same way. There is only energy. This whole stuff about assigning certain traits to be feminine and certain traits to be masculine is just humans getting hung up on sexual roles. It's so completely arbitrary when seen from the outside. If we had three sexes, we'd no doubt believe the energy of the universe was split into 3 types instead of two and assign "characteristics" to all 3 of them . My point there is that it's not real. It's literally assigning entire categories of qualities to energies based on nothing more than who's usually on top during mating.

On the other hand, maybe labeling them as such is the only way for a non-balanced person to realize which traits he or she needs to develop. I have no idea if that's true or not, but if it is I guess there would at least be a little value in doing so even if it's excessively awkward and has the downside of pinging the stereotypes and biases of the people involved.

Caelrie
13th November 2007, 09:14 PM
The submission just mimicks the real trusting act of exposing yourself to a loved one, but it is not the real thing, IMO.
In fact, psychological studies have shown that most 'submissives' are actually in charge, since they have transcended abuse issues and have changed them to 'badge of honor' type of thing. Because they 'can handle it'. Ego doubled.

And, before anyone asks me to source this, anything written about sado masochism in any psychological journal says this. I read this in college, (many years ago, before the internet was invented :P ) so it shouldn't be hard to verify.
I would agree with that. Being the type of person I am (wanting to explore EVERYTHING), I did a stint in the BDSM community for a little while before moving on. What you said above matches my experiences.

Korpo
13th November 2007, 09:58 PM
I guess the human mind needs some reference points, and this male and female energies is something people on average can relate to. There is a tendency in humans to see things bipolar and complementary. You're right - in the end only the qualities matter - living them fully. Good point. :D

Oliver

Pneumaphor
16th November 2007, 11:07 AM
Nowhere in the article anyone demands that women or men fit in old roles. However, from my point of view, the "softie" and the "radical feminist" are just shallow templates, too. Women and men should feel free to be who they are within and not feel pressured to struggle. This involves removing the mental models, not celebrating them. Neither career woman or house wife, softie or macho, and so on - all these dualities are shallow and imbalanced. But even now people are living unbalanced, unauthentic lives on such stereotypes, and even are required by their partners to be like that, even if both sides are not happy deep down with all these stereotypes, because they *always* limit your possibilities as a being.

:shock:

Well spoken Oliver! *applause* Hey everybody, forget the article, did you hear what Oliver just said?!? :D

anotherone
24th November 2007, 05:52 AM
There is a difference between equal rights for women and a feminist movement, including both female and male feminists, that suddenly lets itself be instrumentalised for the war in Afghanistan, for example. Suddenly the role of the Afghan women became a veritable reason to go to war... Not realising however that this was just another excuse for going to war by people who don't even know what equality is.
I'd enjoy a bit of clarification on this paragraph, if you have the time and the inclination...? :)

Korpo
26th November 2007, 08:22 AM
After 9/11, the US government committed to a war in Afghanistan as a retaliation strike. But shortly thereafter other reasons for going to war there were found and aired - like the treatment of women under Taliban rule (wearing the full-body burqa for example). It is a typical example of instrumentalising an undeniably good cause (liberation from oppression and sexism) for an ambiguous cause (the war in Afghanistan).

The two US-Iraq wars had similar propagandistic preparations, like the daughter of Kuwait ambassador doing a fake witness account of an Iraqi massacre which never took place, or the reasons for the second war ranging from weapons of mass destruction (and preventing their proliferation) which were never found to liberating the Iraqi people. A goal adopted much later, which in itself seems valid and honorable, but served as an excuse for going to war *after* already having committed to the idea.

So, we have the issue of instrumentalisation in general. More specificly to the original post I tried to point out that there are branches of feminism which welcomed the Afghanistan war as a just campaign for freeing women - allowing themselves to be instrumentalised in a propaganda effort and ultimately losing awareness of a fact - war costs lives. Neither should it be welcomed, nor did it actually end the cultural biases present in Afghanistan. More freedom is possible now, but living in Afghanistan has not fundamentally changed. In my personal opinion the desire to overcome oppression of women in this world has in this instance has become warped into turning a blind eye on what really has been going on.

Oliver