Kundalini awakening

[star]

While Kundalini will rise on its own, direct experience of the energy of someone with raised Kundalini will cause it to rise in that person also.

Has anyone here tried or want to try this? I have experimented with this before with limited effect.

I'd be open to trying this with others if someone with risen Kundalini is interested?

[Aunt Clair]

I believe in alchemical contagion . I think many move forward each month in this manner . What do you have in mind ? .

[Korpo]

Could you expound a bit on the nature of this "alchemical contagion", Aunt Clair? What phenomena do spread?

Oliver

[Tom]

That's a nice way of saying that if you stand too close to a fire you will get burned, and the size of the fire determines how close is close. It doesn't matter if you intend to burn or not. First the kindling dries out and then catches fire. That could be you. Kundalini can be contageous the same way. If you live with someone who does energy work, even short of dealing with Kundalini, you will find it is easier than working alone. The person who gave me Shaktipat in 1999 is married. His wife finds lucid dreaming to be interesting, but she wasn't ever really interested in Kundalini or meditation or yoga. Too bad for her - if she wants to avoid these things entirely she shouldn't live with someone who had a textbook Kundalini awakening complete with all the bliss and an out-of-body experience. He had all the traditional signs and symptoms in I think it was 1985, and it was only afterward that his wife was doing some reading and came across a description of Kundalini. She was trying to figure out what was wrong with her husband. He didn't even know the word Kundalini yet, because he is more interested in actually practicing than reading about it. He said that as long as she is living with him, she is influenced and she doesn't really like it very much. She does enjoy the lucid dreaming, but she would really prefer to have a normal life.

[star]

Aunt Clair,

I would like to do any sort of energetic exchange that may help me along, and even develop the Kundalini further.

- James

[iadnon]

Kundalini can be contageous the same way. If you live with someone who does energy work, even short of dealing with Kundalini, you will find it is easier than working alone.

I totally agree with you two. It's like a magnet. Put a piece of iron close to it and it will become a magnet too, at least for a while.

Every person emits energy around. We all tend to synch with what we have around us, so when an evolved guy is close to a common one, the first will cede part of his "evolution" to fill the other, and vice versa (the opposite effect can occur too).

It's like a spiritual Feng Shui :wink:

[Korpo]

It's like a spiritual Feng Shui :wink:

Who said Feng Shui isn't spiritual? ;)

Well, that deepens a thing about my endeavours - I already noticed changes in my energy field can influence others subconsciously - triggering emotion when I am working with emotion.

Sooner or later I will have to talk with my girlfriend in detail about what I am doing, where I do want to go, and what effect it might have on her as well. Especially I do not want to make her choices for her.

Somehow this is still so unclear to me that I did not yet. My intention is clear, but the effects are hard to pin down. I cannot explain what I have not understood fully myself.

Oliver

[iadnon]

Don't worry, anyway. The process occurs by itself.

When the spark appeared on my head years ago I put aside a lot of things (including some of my friends) in order to be able to progress in the work.

It's quite natural. As if the universe would help you to move to the correct path.

[Aunt Clair]

Tom knows a method called shaktipat which he has referred to on this thread . Tom has offered this online for free in the past .

My own method is called raising the dragon . It can be done online also . I do not charge it is just sending energy to another to call up their own potential .

Both are methods of energy transference .

There are only risks associated with raising energy if the energy body is blocked , if there are physical or emotional impairments or if the person has mental health issues .

Alchemical contagion is not like a fire that burns to me. But it could be like the comfort of a campfire or a yule log shared on a cold night It is more like a good vibration that passes amongst a group of friends at a party . It is like a smile spreading . I have never ascribed to the myth that kundalini hurts . In my heart I find faith in the methods of the universe to improve our state . If it were not so , would the immortals teach us to seek it ? I believe in having faith not fear . I believe alchemical comtagion is a modality of spiritual evolution . I believe it is a hope for humanity as Robert Bruce has written .

The method of alchemical contagion is natural . We are called out of the body to attend dreamstate lessons at night in projection . In these lessons we recieve attunements and initiations which raise our light body quotient . As our vibration increases more flames come to ignite . When the body is ripened kundalini rises .

Another naturally occurring contagion occurs through the process of socialization . Your own vibration is raised by being with strong peers who send back love and light to you . Happy family life , meditation circles , reiki healing meditations ,

Your vibration is lowered by associating with people who bring you down , abuse you or act negatively .Anger , rage , depression , fear and anxiety lower vibrations . Love , hope , faith , joy , compassion and mercy raise the vibration .

The human vibration is lowered by hanging with derelicts and sociopaths . When we get a creepy feeling , it is a good idea to pay attention . Going to a pub becomes less inviting as you develop .

[iadnon]

So, is it a kind of distance reiki attunement?

I'm one of those daring guys, so, Ant, I'd like to take part of this energy exchange in order to see what happens.

When I was initiated in reiki, my whole being changed for good. Maybe this is another wink from life.

I'll wait for your instructions...

[Korpo]

There are only risks associated with raising energy if the energy body is blocked , if there are physical or emotional impairments or if the person has mental health issues.

Aunt Clair, I don't know. Doesn't this actually rule out most people? It's quite a requirement for saying "something is safe". It is only safe then within clearly defined and very restrictive bounds...

Oliver

[iadnon]

We must risk. We must dare. We must will.

When I started up stimulating my third eye (with the NEW system) I had terrible headaches for weeks. The tinniest concentration in ajna made me feel nails inside my head.

But I'm like a mule, so I went on practicing with it till they disappeared.

And none has to forget about the psychological changes that are to occur once you enter the realm of energy working... But that's our destiny, evolution.

[Aunt Clair]

I don't think so . I believe a minority of people have emotional disturbance and mental health issues . The few of these who susbcribe to metaphysical forums are the mythmongers who disparage kundalini .

On the other hand I have not found any kundalini danger among my peers that were young and healthy nor in my children or in friends . That is the disclaimer I adhere to .

A woman on Jonas Ridgeway forum blamed her promiscuity on kundalini saying it made her a nymphomaniac . I don't find that credible . A boy on another forum said kundalini caused him nightmares and psych issues but that boy was on antidepressants and had long standing mental health concerns . There is a kundalini forum which is full of cases like this . One man on blamed kundalini on his inability to socialise claiming it had made him a nervous wreck and unable to sleep .Today I read that kundalini caused some bloke to lose his job , to get headaches and become lonely . Does anybody believe this stuff ?

[iadnon]

I agree, again, with you.

In order to face some energy-related issues in this life, you should be equilibrated, good-mood and head-in-heaven-and-foot-on-earth.

[star]

In 4-5 days I'll have access to a computer with the capablity needed to run that chat program.

Anyway, I would really love to work on this with you Aunt Clair, maybe even Tom will join with us.


andonitxo; I couldn't compare energy transfer with a Reiki attunement.

Have you ever held someones hands and circulated energy? Its more like that in my opinion.

I see why you would think it is like Reiki though, I practice myself.

[iadnon]

Mmmmmm.

Theoretically a reiki attunement is an energy transfer, an energetic symbol sent to open up some paths in your energy-body. Once opened the energy flows freely from upwards, in a limitless manner. The path, in this case, starts in sahasrara, goes down to anahata and splits to the two hands before projecting it outside.

When I send reiki I feel like an energy rush, specially in my heart and hands. It's so great that I could go on doing it for hours.

So, seen from that viewpoint, I do an energy exchange with God, who gives me it to redirect on earth.

Anyway, and I've already PMed Aunt about this, I'd also like to know how that exchange happens, if it can be done in the distance and which conditions must be fulfilled.

[Korpo]

Aunt Clair,

do you refer to "no major problems" or "nothing except minor problems" when you talk about what could make this passing dangerous.

Also, to be precise - is this different from Robert's Kundalini raising experience, or is this the same. If it is the same, why was Robert's experience as extreme as it was? If it is not the same, what is it then?

Thank you for answers so far,
Oliver

[Korpo]

We must risk. We must dare. We must will.

When I started up stimulating my third eye (with the NEW system) I had terrible headaches for weeks. The tinniest concentration in ajna made me feel nails inside my head.

But I'm like a mule, so I went on practicing with it till they disappeared.

And none has to forget about the psychological changes that are to occur once you enter the realm of energy working... But that's our destiny, evolution.

With what I have done until now I did not risk anything and had not to dare either. If you respect the capacity you have there is either no risk or you are not respecting them. Or in other words: I disagree. ;)

My personal opinion on this is that if we work from the bottom up things unfold by themselves. And then they are risk-free. But if we want a certain effect here and now and focus on it, we might get the effect, but the risk is ours to take. You might get the same thing, but I would call it "prematurely" then. You either learn dealing with it the hard way or mess up. I think that is not the wisest way to go, or better: I would not do this. I will of course not prevent anyone from finding their way.

I think there is a natural course for things, individual for everyone perhaps, but at least for everyone such an order exists. If you sit down and decide, consciously - "now I want to do this" this can override this order, but what you get may not be what you need most. Of course it also can be. :D

I think if you were feeling sharp pain you at that time took a shortcut in your personal development, and I think there's a risk involved and possibly a price to pay. For example - developing the higher centers first may force you into developing the lower centers with great urgency, plus uneasiness, ungroundedness and a host of other effects.

Of course, if you are willing to pay that price, that's okay in a way. I just think the price is not so obvious, and I personally like to know the price before "entering a deal". :)

Oliver

[iadnon]

Then, in the example I've put, what was I supposed to do, then? Just to wait, till my karma would have cleansed my third eye in another moment?

I do prefer to be careful but, at the same time, to move on when I find blockages. I've been stuck in other periods of my life and I feel I had not the proper will, concentration and determination.

As you see, everyone of us have a different experience :wink:

[star]

Korpo, If andonitxo is not ready then the transfer won't cause him any more development then he may be ready for. The same applies for myself..

I have tested this theory on myself.

[iadnon]

"Energy rejection".

That happens with drugs, also. I don't normally accept drugs as a "way of life". When I'm in a party, surrounded with marihuana smokers, the smoke itself doesn't affect me (while other non smokers get, how do you say in English?, high/stoned).

A yoga teacher told me about rejection when I related that to her. It happens with food, drugs, energy... whatever.

The phenomenon may differ if it happens to you in a group or alone.

That's been a good point, Star.

Count on me.

[Korpo]

Then, in the example I've put, what was I supposed to do, then? Just to wait, till my karma would have cleansed my third eye in another moment?

Nothing to do with Karma, actually. ;)

It's just this - my energy body tells me what it needs most - it always highlights the next blockage where I should continue work. I think it steers me towards balance, all the time, always optimising, refining and going deeper.

And then I have no pain - uneasiness, but nothing close to feeling "nail" or sth. It also perfectly matches my capacity at that moment. When I'm done I'm not exhausted (except I override my own rule and get impatient ;)), and everything stays within the "comfort zone".

Every time I start out like "it must be like this" instead of listening first, it gets painful, uncomfortable, and any mess I create by dealing with things prematurely I need to clear up as well. :)

(This all refers to blockages)

Oliver

[Aunt Clair]

It is an energy exchange . The mystic sits facing the one to be attuned . They open in protection together , deep Cleanse together, then link temporarily through a cord sent from the mystic heart .

Then the mystic calls the energy up from self and Mother Earth through the kundalini channels.The energy in the sitter is linked and raises also . This cleans and primes the kundalini circuit allowing kundalini to be raised when the energy body is ripe . When I did this with Tom , he instructed me that it was similar to shaktipat which is given in attunement.

Aunt Clair,do you refer to "no major problems" or "nothing except minor problems" when you talk about what could make this passing dangerous.
Billy has raised several flames on his own naturally he is 10 years old now . He began to share his kundalini experiences years ago , there is a thread here online . I find young and healthy people have NO problems with kundalini.

All of these peers have had multiple kundalini events without adverse symptoms ;
Billy 10 peers since 2003
Sveta 19 peer since 2002
Debbie 19 peer since 2003
Andrew 25 peer since 1997
Jodie 33 peer since 2001
Khylie 36 peer since 2005
Penny 37 peer since 1006
Dreyden 63 peer since 2006
Marlene 72 mentor 1997-2000
Tom 76 peer since 2001

One adverse event and numerous positive kundalini events
AC had an NDE 2005 I had sustained a severe spinal injury the month of that K event . I have had degenerative disks also.Bill V , my 74 peer since 1997 had an NDE in 2006 .He has severe spine damage .Both Bill and I have had several K events wihtout any adverse effect both before and after the difficult event .

Claims of Negative effects from Kundalini ;
Boy 19 blamed psychosis on K attunemtne but suicidal and neg attached
on anti psychotic drugs before he had attunement
numerous others online complain that a wide variety of symptoms occur due to Kundalini . I do not find these credible witnesses.

Also, to be precise - is this different from Robert's Kundalini raising experience, or is this the same. If it is the same, why was Robert's experience as extreme as it was? If it is not the same, what is it then?
It is the same .Kundalini rises and falls in a series of predictable stages which will occur when the energy body is ripe . Like puberty or old age it is not stopped . However like good health it can be sought . We can choose to clear our energy body and prepare ourselves or we can choose to fear development and submit to the base nature of negativity .

Robert has also sustained major spine damage . He had these injuries before he began to work as a mystic although I suspect he had some k events in his youth . When he was a child he attended his auntie's spiritual circle in England and he was a great natural spiritual healer with some natural clairvoyant ability . He shifted to Australia with his family and gave away his metaphysical pursuits until he became a young father . Sadly he had damaged his back at work before he began to seek energy body development . The energy afforded him healing but it also caused some of his K events to be painful and threatening . Most of his have passed smoothly though .

http://forums.astraldynamics.com/viewtopic.php?t=2602
For all that, awakening kundalini should not be feared. This is the brightest hope for humanity. The more enlightened people there are, the better the world will become in a spiritual sense.~Robert Bruce

[Korpo]

Thanks, that was giving me better perspective. I never knew Robert had a spine condition, so I could not make the connection. :)

Oliver

[iadnon]

Then, in the example I've put, what was I supposed to do, then? Just to wait, till my karma would have cleansed my third eye in another moment?

Nothing to do with Karma, actually. ;)

It's just this - my energy body tells me what it needs most - it always highlights the next blockage where I should continue work. I think it steers me towards balance, all the time, always optimising, refining and going deeper.

And then I have no pain - uneasiness, but nothing close to feeling "nail" or sth. It also perfectly matches my capacity at that moment. When I'm done I'm not exhausted (except I override my own rule and get impatient ;)), and everything stays within the "comfort zone".

Every time I start out like "it must be like this" instead of listening first, it gets painful, uncomfortable, and any mess I create by dealing with things prematurely I need to clear up as well. :)

(This all refers to blockages)

Oliver

Brilliant.

I normally function in the other manner, like a ram. Once I've decided what to do I lunge it, ha, ha.

And yes, it has led me to some pains. So, I'll jot down your comments.

[Korpo]

Thank you, andonitxo.

I'm just very concerned about safety and comfort in energy work ever since I started to read through so many reports of people having problems (i.e. not you, but people around these forums) with energy work.

After some review of my own situation, their experiences and how my experiences changed, I came down to the following conclusions:

For any person there are built-in priorities that may change over time when dealt with. This is not what they think they need most, but what they actually could greatly benefit from. If people listen to this - the signals of their (energy) body, their Higher Self, commonsense - nothing bad will happen. Intent and need are in tune and the weakest link gets worked on.

Problems arise if intent and need diverge. If people want to push projection, or want metaphysical/mystical experiences they are not ready for, their intent overrides their need and energy work takes a different direction.

In many ways people get what they are aiming for. I know that from blockage work - the patterns blockages "highlight" in change if we change our intent. Suddenly different blockages get worked first. This can lead to or reinforce things that keep us out of balance, IMO.

I believe the biggest part of all the bad experiences with mystical states (for example "premature" Kundalini) derives from the fact that people are aiming their intent at things they are either not ready for or which could at this stage bring harm to them.

Some people want psychic powers for fun or even for the strangest motives. Psychic powers also burden you with great responsibility, and also can clash effectively with what we believe. They can induce great stress and can lead to situations where people question their own sanity.

Or another example - ungrounded energy work. Because people crave psychic powers or a certain mystical state or experience they suddenly start to ignore grounding, do not develop all chakras the same, ignore the base and root chakras, and so on. Some time later they become mentally and emotionally "ungrounded" with strange effects - disassociation, uncontrollable experiences.

Even blockage work carries this risk - when people want to "push through" a certain problem a situation may arise where they are forced to deal with that problem and all associated problems *at once*, which can be overwhelming. I know I wanted to remove a certain head blockage so much I ended up with a week of severe tension headache - I was barely able to function and spent all my time in cold sweat and pain.

This is not addressed at you at all, andonitxo. I just found this to be the right discussion to put it in. I mean - you as an individual seem to have the capacity to get away with that, but people mostly know what their real capacity was after they exceeded it and are in trouble.

Rant's over. :D

Oliver

[Tom]

For several years my attitude was that unless I was in severe pain, I wasn't getting anywhere with my practice. A couple of times my wife was debating with herself about whether to make me to go the hospital for treatment. My attitude has shifted somewhat because I suddenly realized that I don't actually enjoy pain and I'm perfectly capable of having pain without it meaning that I am working through something. Pain did not guarantee spiritual development. Instead I decided to switch my focus to the kind of pleasure that arises in meditation and does not depend on the physical senses. Greater levels of pleasure and happiness are now my ruler for measuring if I am getting somewhere.

[Aunt Clair]

Bliss and blessings are associated with dedicated intuitive development.which is achieved thru daily energy work and meditation. It is not beneficial to force and achieve pain . But still the mind and go within to recall your path and take your next step .

[star]

I have TeamSpeak for about a week. Clair, when would it be possible to find a moment to talk to you about Kundalini? Can you send me a PM?

- James

[Korpo]

Tom, do I understand you correctly:

You say you had a "no pain, no gain" philosophy, so your body manifested pain to show you gain?

Or did you always work till pain arose, and now stop before that with better results?

Oliver

[Korpo]

andonitxo, since this thread is a mixed bag already, I have a question about sexual energy, maybe you did notice the same?

When I did energy work involving sexual energy every time I "lost a load" ;) I felt depleted in a way. However, when I do not involve sexual energy in my energy work, the same feeling of depletion does not seem to occur.

How's it for you?

Oliver

[iadnon]

Yes, there's a depletion phenomenon when "releasing". But to happen that the shoot must be complete. If you have a non fulfilling experience (sometimes it comes to soon, or the body posture is not the best for that, or whatever) the depletion seems to be not as radical.

Anyway, the energy can be gathered again taking up again the taoist practice (giving your body enough time to recover, of course). If you lose in the evening, you can be up again at night.

I use to pass from a sex-related practice to a non-sex-related one, just not to be very obsessed. I want to experience with testicle breathing right now.

If the depletion occurs with my partner, I feel very up. As if it would have happened an interchange of forces.

[Tom]

Tom, do I understand you correctly:

You say you had a "no pain, no gain" philosophy, so your body manifested pain to show you gain?

Or did you always work till pain arose, and now stop before that with better results?

Oliver

What I mean is that pain is not a reliable indicator of progress. There are a lot of different ways to be miserable which have nothing to do with spiritual progress, and stress tends to cause the immune response to be weaker which leads to getting sick. My previous reason for basing things on pain was that it seemed like every time I did anything with energy at first there were negative side effects, and I thought that bigger side effects meant bigger progress. Now I know differently.

[Korpo]

Yes, I understand. It is somewhat similar for me.

Oliver

[iadnon]

I agree. But I also agree that pain inserts a message deeper in the brain.

I'm not pro-suffering, of course, but crisis has a big impact on a subject's mind.

[Tom]

I agree. But I also agree that pain inserts a message deeper in the brain.

I'm not pro-suffering, of course, but crisis has a big impact on a subject's mind.

That's due to the intensity of the situation. The flavor can either be pain or pleasure and either will have a big impact, so why not choose pleasure?

[iadnon]

I agree with you. But it seems that crisis leads to guiltiness. When you feel guilty, it means there's someone else you've hurt. It's an opinion. I prefer not to suffer, but when I've commit some error, I've fixed it more rapidly if someone else was involved.

In other words: classical conditioning (literal translation from Basque). Your body will try to scape from pain by any means, so it will put all its best to learn from crisis. By the contrary, it will tend to pleasure, and that could debilitate it.

BUT I PREFER PLEASURE! :D :D