Kundalini

[CFTraveler]

I have a question: I have read a number of books on chakra awakening, and meditation techniques, and there seems to be a consensus about the dangers of premature Kundalini awakening- but not one book (I read) explains what the actual dangers are- What can happen when it's awakened prematurely, and how do you know that it's not time?
Are there specific symptoms? Thanks. CF.

[Apex]

From what I've read, people who raise the serpent of fire prematurely can suffer one of many things.

- Severe burning sensations in the sub-navel area that can move upwards
- Burning sensations that last from days to weeks
- Physical Shock

These are the only one I can think of offhand that I've heard of.

Disclaimer: I don't claim to be an expert in this area, or any area.

[Planet_Jeroen]

Word of caution: There are people out there that claim to be able to help you awakening the Kundalini Energy... by warry of this, since if it isn't done the right way, you might end up going out of your mind, in the wrong way.

Since your body isn't accustomed, adapted and ready to handle the energy that is involved when all chackra's are connected, it's kind of like giving a 3 year old, a glass of beer. Only the effect doesnt wear off in a day.

That's what I was told, in a nutshell, about what the danger is.

[kjpou1]

Hello

Here is a link that might be helpful:

http://kundalini-support.com/

Link to the complications:

http://kundalini-support.com/comp.html

I have read the links there out of interest and it does not seem pleasant at all if there are complications.


Kenneth

[AllRealNumbers]

I had a recent experience with kundalini about three weeks ago, and it was a mixture of pleasant and unpleasant aspects. I did feel my chakras opening and becoming connected - a physically blissful, almost orgasmic feeling - but I was quickly swamped by the overabundance of energy and it took its toll on my psychologically. I am bipolar, and while I have been very stable as of late, the awakening of kundalini sent me into a full-blown manic episode where I experienced paranoid delusions, anxiety, and inability to cope with daily stressors for about three days. I had to get psychiatric treatment for it, and it ended up wrecking my progress in school for the semester; i've had to withdraw from classes.

Also, the energetic fallout has its plusses and minuses as well. I feel "stuffed up" with a thick, gooey energy that refuses to leave my body. All I can do is push it around, and it prevents me from doing smooth energy work. However, when I do exercises like chi gong, I get very strong sensations of a *large* quantity of energy being present, even if it isn't flowing well. I am still bodily healthy and have a decent amount of physical vitality though, so I don't think my energy system is truly dysfunctional right now. It's basically just resting from a period of overwork. I think the obstructive energy is there as an innate defense mechanism to keep too much energy from entering my body now, and that it will dissipate as I get ready to accept a greater flow. I feel that it will probably work out for the best, although I will probably have to take about a year off from doing any real energy work in order to wait for the blockage to clear.

The big lesson here - trust me - is that it's bad news to be too greedy for mystical attainments. They'll come, surely, so balance your work on the body with work on the mind, like meditation and prayer. If you push yourself too hard, it's no different from trying to lift twice the weight you can safely handle in the weight room. You'll injure yourself, and you will lose progress as you have to sit and recover. Just take it slow, and don't get greedy for progress.

[Celeborn]

Here is what Robert Bruce has to say about Kundalini (pulled from the old Astral Pulse Forums):


6) What fundamental purpose does raising the Kundalini serve?

>Good question(s). Keep in mind that my answers come from personal
experience and observations, not from books. I've read very little about
kundalini.

The activation of the kundalini circuit can be likened to how a larvae
converts into a butterfly. One does not grow pretty wings, but some fairly
dramatic changes occur. The successful raising of kundalini gives birth to
a whole new bio energy circuit. In a way, all primary chakras activate and
begin working together to generate the new circuit.

The major changes occur during a raised kundalini session, which can last
from ten to 30 minutes, or maybe even longer with more training. This is a
most profound state. I'll post something on this in a minute, to save me
typing it all out again.

But once kundalini has been raised once, the whole energy body begins to
reorganize itself. What exactly happens is difficult to ascertain but the
energy body seems to start growing and developing towards what will become a
new 'normal' state of being.

6a) Why would one want to do it and who (what type of person) would want to
do it?

Raising kundalini involves taking a big step in spiritual evolution. It is
possible that this could free one from the reincarnational mechanism of
life, and set one on a new path of evolution, the path of the masters. I
think ascension to becoming a living master is possible through kundalini.

Also, one of the most noticeable things that happens is that during raised
kundalini state, ones higher self manifests very strongly through you. You
virtually become your higher self, but still retain your human personality.
Bathed in the sacred Aummm, ones connection to God is extremely noticeable
and real.

All psychic abilities begin to grow stronger after kundalini has been
raised. And they are fully active during raised kundalini state.

I suspect that once developed (fully medusa effect and beyond) the power of
creation may become normal. But I also suspect that some knowledge of magic
and words of power and creation would also be required. Then whatever is
imagined will appear in the physical. Basically, one transcends and gains
control over the physical environment.

So, yes, spiritual immortality is possible. Physical immortality may also be
possible, if the energy flow out of the body can be reversed, eg, so one
grows younger at will. These things all need exploring. And I plan to do
just this.

7) In relation to item 3), at what level of development is one ready to undertake the exercises of Kundalini
raising?

I am still pondering the question of this criteria. But a high level of development is most certainly required.

One needs a strong and balanced mind, and a balanced personality and
emotions, and a reasonably healthy body. The demands of raising kundalini are
great. Full power real time OBE or high level projection are very easy in
comparison. So astral projection should, ideally, be mastered first. And
mastering astral projection in itself is a good indicator that one is ready
to raise kundalini. I think I just answered my own question.

However, some untrained people can OBE quite easily. So I'd say a
combination of at least a trained mind (through yoga or similar) and astral projection ability would be a good starting point.

Age may play a factor, too. One may need to be at least 30 before this can be done. But I need to experiment more to clarify this factor.


8 ) Are there various degrees of experience in Kundalini raising? I
understand some people have their crown chakras opened up for minutes or
hours after the experience, while others have them opened for many months at
a time. Does this mean one experience was more powerful than the other?

This depends on whether kundalini was actually raised, or whether we are
talking about strong chakra activation, or kundalini related phenomena being
involved.

There are various ways kundalini can rise, but the end result is the full
snake like phenomenon, which I'll describe in another post.

Today, a great many energy body phenomena and kundalini related activity are
taken for actual raised kundalini. It can be very confusing. But there is
only one main event; the snake.


9) Is there a point to raising the Kundalini more than once? Are the
experiences different in what is learned/gained every time?

Once kundalini is raised it must be developed and raised many times before
it fully grows. I have not gone past the full medusa and Aumm stage, but I
plan to get back into training very soon. It gets easier to do every time
its done. In time, the fully raised state would replace normal meditation
and etc. This seems reasonable expectation.

Also, raising kundalini many times seems to help the enlightenment process,
which is a staggered affair; one step at a time.

10) What is gained by having the crown chakra opened during and after
Kundalini raising? What can one do with an opened crown chakra that they
normally can't do when it is closed, or less opened?

I'm not really sure about this as I've not experienced this. One also has to
define exactly what is meant by 'open'. Chakras are not like little doors
that can be opened and closed with some imagination and good intentions.
They are always active, but there are levels of activation. So an open crown
could just be a more active than usual crown. This would cause some psychic
abilities to manifest.

A lot of problems can surround overactivation of the crown center. An
overactive crown can drain one of energy, so energy cannot be accumulated.
It just gets sucked up through the crown. Possession and various mental
problems can also be linked with this problem.

11) What are some of the things people report that they experience during
the Kundalini raising? Are they all fairly similar in theme, or are the
experiences vastly different? (e.g. traveling through tubes of light?,
seeing past lives?)

Yes, the experiences are fairly similar. Kundalini spikes up through the
spine are the norm. A blinding flash of white light in the minds eye, a
powerful OBE or near death experience. Some kind of examination by masters
or deities. I've not experienced past lives but this may be possible in some
cases. Traveling through a tube of light may also happen in some cases.

The variety of experiences may be caused by differences in development and
in the energy body, and by the age of the incarnating spirit, eg, spiritual
maturity, etc.

12) In relation to item 6), what is the ULTIMATE goal of Kundalini raising,
assuming it is a process that requires multiple experiences to reach an
ultimate goal.

I think the ultimate goal is to become a physically immortal master. But I
need to explore all this further.

I may have a way to safely train people using something new. This is
experimental but it may work. Kundalini can be raised in the pre OBE
vibrational state. I've done this and its quite easy. If one does not need
to raise kundalini fully first, it may be possible to train people to
cleanse and condition the kundalini snake pathway with a lower level of
energy than what normally occurs during the main event.

[Celeborn]

Here is the rest:


There is widespread misunderstanding about kundalini. Most seem to
think its a raise once and its done kind of thing. But this is not the case
at all. Kundalini is a discrete bioenergy phenomenon, much like a sneeze or
an orgasm. One could not say after a single orgasm that ones orgasm is now
raised and active. Neither could one say that after a single kundalini
raising, or related phenomena, that ones kundalini is now raised. Kundalini
must be raised many times and developed.

A single kundalini raised experience may last from 5 to 30 minutes. Longer
may be possible with higher development. The raised state is heavily energy
dependent, so when energy resources are reduced it just stops. But while it
is raised one becomes God, in a sense. Ones personality is still present,
but ones higher self rises very close to the surface indeed. And ones higher
self is about as close to God as one can get. So raised kundalini could be
called a full higher self manifestation.

The psychic abilities this causes are the natural abilities of a spirit, and
of ones higher self. They are not created out of nothing, they are freed.

Kundalini does change one and one does experience enlightenment during its peak. But this is abstract enlightenment, eg, one knows everything at the
time because one is experiencing a level of God consciousness. But after the experience one reverts to normal consciousness and knowledge. However, something is then changed and ones inspirational abilities, plus all psychic abilities, are greatly enhanced.

Then begins the staggered realization process where higher knowledge is
gained one small step at a time. But this progressive gaining of knowledge
will only bear true fruit if one has a sound belief system, and if one
applies the empirical process, eg, first build a solid foundation and then
add to it one thing at a time. If this discipline is not applied one is
likely to float away with the faries.

There are three main ways that kundalini will rise. The first is
spontaneously, in response to mental and emotional and spiritual states of
being, eg, Carl Jung had a spontaneous kundalini rising. The second is
through yoga practice where the body and mind are developed to the point
where kundalini will rise naturally. The third is to manually raise
kundalini by manipulating the energy body with body awareness techniques.
Ideally, a combination of all three would provide the best and safest
results.

To do this, one must first understand the nature of primary energy centers,
chakras, and the base center. A fundamental aspect of the base center is
that it acts a lot like an electrical capacitor. It is also heavily shielded
and earthed, in a bioenergy sense. Another aspect of chakras is their
ability to 'strobe'. This is a natural high level function. Once a chakra's
energy peaks, reaches critical mass, it strobes and releases all its energy
in one moment. The natural path for this energy is upwards, and as it floods
upwards it creates new high voltage energy conduits, and flash activates the
chakras above one at a time. This last can happen in several ways, depending
on how prepared the energy body is, but there is only one raised kundalini
phenomenon, eg, the full internal snake phenomenon.

When kundalini rises, it feels like a physical snake as thick as a man's
wrist forces its way up through the perineum; between anus and genitals. It
forces its way in 3.5 clockwise spiral up through the body. Ones internal
organs will be felt sloshing and moving as they are pushed out of the way,
as kundalini raises through the body, neck and head to the crown.

The internal snake phenomenon is caused by an internal manifestation of
ectoplasm. This is the only reasonable explanation.

A brilliant minds eye flash of light (like a giant camera flash) will occur
at the beginning of a kundalini raising. This leaves a feeling of mild
concussion on the face, as if one had been slapped. This is because the
whole face contains the support structure for the brow chakra, and is thus
involved with the brow center strobe. Note that the brow center strobe can
occur separately from a kundalini event, eg, during the formation of the
vision screen of high function clairvoyance (what could be called a
Nostradamus level phenomena). Brow center strobes can also result from
various practices, including meditation and astral projection exercises. If
this happens, it indicates strong natural clairvoyance potential is present,
even if dormant and unrealized.

Normally the crown and brow will not fully activate during early kundalini
raising events. But once these activate it feels like ones skull vanishes
and from the surface of ones brain hundreds of fat, fleshy fingers, like
little snakes, are felt to appear. These feel as real as ones other fingers.
At this time, the brow fuses with the crown the one in the nose bridge, and
this new chakra structure is felt as a heavy, fleshy flap hanging down over
ones brow and bridge of nose. This feels as if ones skull (the entire area
above the hair line) has turned into a sea anemone.

These fingers (I think the eastern term is petals) respond instantly to
thought. If one things of any concept, the fingers form intricate geometric
patterns. I think this may be where mandallas come from. Note, if you read
the book 'Secret of the Golden Flower', in the commentary by Jung, he
explains that mandallas are resident in the human psyche in all races. I highly recommend this book.

Another interesting phenomenon here is that if one thinks of a living
person, these fingers form a pattern, but some also point to 'where' this
person is in the real world.

In order to raise kundalini, one must repeatedly raise a lot of energy to
the base center. Most of what is raised immediately leaks away, is earthed
away. But if this practice is continued, there comes a
point where the insulation is burned away and the base strobes. The first
symptom of this is a massive kundalini spike up through the spine. This can
be extremely painful, burning and electrical sensations. It is wise to stop
for a breather at this point, but without breaking relaxation discipline.

Note that if the body is not prepared by fasting and purging beforehand, the
bowels will turn to water and let go in response to full physical shock.
Now, if one begins raising energy again a minute or so later, another spike
will occur, just as strong but a bit less painful, and then the serpent will
be released. Ideally it will rise fairly rapidly and smoothly all the way to
the crown, in 3.5 clockwise coils.

I recommend 3 days fasting prior to an attempt, or other yoga purging practices can be used to achieve the same internally cleansed state. I find my energy peaks on the 3rd day. This helps as one needs every ounce of energy one can muster to raise kundalini.

A type of near death experience will usually occur. I don't have enough data
to say for sure, but this is a reasonable observation. In my case, I was
evicted from my physical body (I think it died of shock) and, in brief, I
was examined by three deities (or ascended masters). Two shook their heads
and retired, but the third came down and helped me. He showed me my errors
and how to rectify my problems through spiritual cleansing (not physical).

When Kundalini has been more developed, eg, raised a dozen or so times (a week apart for each event is wise), and the crown becomes fully active, one will also experience the Aummmm. This is quite loud and if feels and sounds like the word 'Aummm' being said continually (one tone) by a man with a deep voice. This, I think, may be the underlying sound (or Word) of creation.

Warning: This subject must be approached with great care and respect. This is a long term goal, a lifetimes work. Raising kundalini is a dangerous thing to do. And the less prepared and developed a person is, the more dangerous it becomes. Madness and or death can result, as can a variety of serious physical and mental disorders, if one who is unprepared does this. As said, master wake induced OBE first, as this is not only a more achievable goal, but it also helps prepare one for higher levels of energy body activation and kundalini.


Take care, Robert

Thats the best, and most complete, discription of kundalini that I have ever found. I hope it helps.

[sterlingindigo]

Thanks Celeborn!

[Ascendant]

Fascinating.

[sterlingindigo]

As a newby, Kundalini has become an interest for me since it gives many explanations for the symptoms I have experienced. It is comforting (and at the same time humbling) to know many others have experienced the same phenomena.

My fortune was to have some highly evolved non-physical assistance with my first experience. I was placed on a strict diet including complete sexual continence which was not limited to even admiring the opposite sex. I did have the intense ringing in the ears, full body vibrations, brow-crown phenomena (outlined above per RB), RTZ OBE, clairaudience, clairvoyance, telepathy, ineffable knowledge, fearlessness, etc which all lasted about a month afterwards in diminishing fashion. The full snake and medusa effect was not noted however.

My misfortune (or so one might presume) was that I was not mature enough to handle the responsibilty succeding the preparation and event itself. It was as if I was being tested on every level as I ran the gauntlet from dramtically increased sexual energies to humility to you name it.

For most of the two week 'training program' leading up to the event, I also experienced an intense obsession with the idea I was literally going to die, and very soon. I even said my goodbyes (which I later discovered can be an effective tool for those wishing to use death as an adviser).

Basically, I was left feeling as if I was given an awesome gift and I blew it. However, lessons learned (and being learned), I'd like to humbly approach it again with greater respect. Firsthand suggestions are very welcome.

[CFTraveler]

Thanks, Celeborn, that has got to be the most understandable article on Kundalini rising I have ever seen! Thanks for everyone's help. I have never tried to do it, but have experienced some phenomena, and that's why I was curious about it- I have been meditating for years, but not necessarily for "awakening the chakras", and when I have used the system it has been as tools to "keep the mind empty"- but truly I have not read anything as helpful (and clear) as that quote. Thanks again!

[Sumo7]

I had a recent experience with kundalini about three weeks ago, and it was a mixture of pleasant and unpleasant aspects. I did feel my chakras opening and becoming connected - a physically blissful, almost orgasmic feeling - but I was quickly swamped by the overabundance of energy and it took its toll on my psychologically. I am bipolar, and while I have been very stable as of late, the awakening of kundalini sent me into a full-blown manic episode where I experienced paranoid delusions, anxiety, and inability to cope with daily stressors for about three days. I had to get psychiatric treatment for it, and it ended up wrecking my progress in school for the semester; i've had to withdraw from classes.

Also, the energetic fallout has its plusses and minuses as well. I feel "stuffed up" with a thick, gooey energy that refuses to leave my body. All I can do is push it around, and it prevents me from doing smooth energy work. However, when I do exercises like chi gong, I get very strong sensations of a *large* quantity of energy being present, even if it isn't flowing well. I am still bodily healthy and have a decent amount of physical vitality though, so I don't think my energy system is truly dysfunctional right now. It's basically just resting from a period of overwork. I think the obstructive energy is there as an innate defense mechanism to keep too much energy from entering my body now, and that it will dissipate as I get ready to accept a greater flow. I feel that it will probably work out for the best, although I will probably have to take about a year off from doing any real energy work in order to wait for the blockage to clear.



Great article!

I am bi-polar as well... what do you think about me even starting to use the NEW system for someone in my situation? I don't want to mess up what state of balance I already have. And while the benefits of NEW, even kundalini, sound great I just can't put myself at risk anymore with some kind of serious imbalance. Can you or anyone else expound on this?

That would really help out... thanks.
J

[sterlingindigo]

This is a tough question that maybe only each can find the answer, within. Will kundalini practices help or harm you? Although I certainly wouldn't want to give any advice that would harm you, I do empathize and wish the very best for you so I offer my humble prayers and words.

For me, the precursors to my kundalini awakening all seemed to be very benign practices that I can't see anyone getting into trouble with. So why not start here. I always return to these basics which seem simple but are not easy. These are but not limited to: living a simple clean life, avoiding extremes of all kinds, eating healthy, and being good. These may appear oversimpifications and not very mystical but do lead to balance and confidence.

Maybe hold the ideas of specific breathwork, postures, visualizations, etc. for later until this foundation gives you the balance and confidence to proceed further, if necessary. I am very hopeful for you because your question posesses authenticity, honesty and humility (don't agree with the humility part too much :wink: ). Continue with these qualities and you will be on the right track to something special, I assure you.

[tyciol]

Funny thing about Kundalini... is spiteful youths like me probably wouldn't care if it hurt us a bit if it helped speed up the process of gaining abilities...

Can it really do permanent harm though? Intense pain might cause trauma if you're vulnerable to that I guess, but really, I don't fear for my sanity.

[Apex]

Robert claims to have died during the experience from 'physical shock' but it sounds more like a NDE.

[Planet_Jeroen]

Robert claims to have died during the experience from 'physical shock'

That's something rather permanent. You die only once, unless it's clinical death.

Regards,

Jeroen

[sash]

Using common sense, a lot of the harm can be avoided.
A good number of case studies have shown that rushing into work with kundalini invites permanent and quite serious damage which I consider worse off than death.
Having said that, I share Tyciol's enthusiasm, but there are basic procedures one can do to prepare for kundalini to avoid all (or most of the serious) of the consequences.


Warm Regards,
Sasha

[tyciol]

Do any of you think that for each of these forums there should be a sticky explaining the topic of the forum, what it is, where to find explanations and good guidelines for training, and which of Robert Bruce's writing relates to it (or people he recommends, if he hasn't written of it) for our reference?

Because my knowledge of Kundalini is still rather basic, and I'm sure that RB would have a more specific recommendation than to just Google it, right? Wouldn't all of you?

So, here's my understanding... Kundalini is an energy of life, one with the potential for power, but which can somehow be harmful (how I do not know, since I thought power and life are good things), which is why it is likened to a serpent of fire.

It flows from the base chakra, and up through all of the chakras until it reaches the top. As chakras are widened and energy flow in general increased in efficiency, it flows stronger.

I am guessing the root of the danger is that stimulating the power while there are still blockages might make it build up and explode, kind of like high blood pressure and an arterial blockage?

Anyway, assuming a good system and safe Kundalini entrance... what is Kundalini 'awakening' supposed to do? Is Kundalini awakening a simple on/off thing, or really a process that you never really begin or end at a certain point or time? We're never at 0 or 100 kundalini?

I'm assuming the increased energy would lead to increased energy, mental/physical/sexual/emotional, and also give one more energy to perform supernatural feats?

Is this that?

[Dragon's Daughter]

Here's a cool website on Kundalini Might answer some of your questions

http://www.kundalini-teacher.com/awakening/k.html

[Apex]

From what I've read, when you successfully raise Kundalini the first time, you're between 0 and 100 (to use your scale). Before that, in terms of the kundalini, you're at 0.

Now when you raise it the first time, you're not at 100. You have to raise it many more times to 'nourish' it, in order for it to raise to its full potential. Where exactly you are in terms of the span between 0 and 100 depends on the person.

As far as the premature raising, I am uncertain whether that puts you above zero. If it does, I imagine it's in the lower single digits.

[CFTraveler]

Thank you all. It was most informative.

[tyciol]

I wonder if 100 Kundalini means enlightenment or something... to get 100 it would mean optimized flow through all chakras, meaning they'd all have to be open to their maximum ability.

Is there a maximum ability for chakra opening? Can we not expand them forever until they encompass an area of our bodies that is the world?

I like RB's way of talk, less religious chat compared to all the yoga and buddhist med out there, it's very professional and comforting.

[Lucid_Dreamer]

Now when you raise it the first time, you're not at 100. You have to raise it many more times to 'nourish' it, in order for it to raise to its full potential. Where exactly you are in terms of the span between 0 and 100 depends on the person.


You are right, the first raise is (or...was for me) the most impressive one because it really "enabled" the energyflow and the chakra activity, i was able to raise the kundalini again a couple of weeks ago and it was a lot stronger (Imagize it as a thicker snake)....I also think that the kundalini is only so strong that your body can cope with it, it wouldn`t be logical if you can "destroy" or harm yourself by raising the kundalini....And nature is very logical....I know there are several "warnings" about raising the kundalini and some peoples have reported burnings and such stuff but i`m not sure if the kundalini or their fear (induced from a so called guru or master) that something like a burning could happen was the cause for their phenomenon...The above is only my opinion,based on my experiences, it doesn`t mean that it is for everyone the same, we are all Individual`s.. ;-)

Your thought`s ? ;-)

Dennis

[Celeborn]

I also think that the kundalini is only so strong that your body can cope with it, it wouldn`t be logical if you can "destroy" or harm yourself by raising the kundalini

I would tend to disagree. I personally know a man who spent several years in south america with a number of medicine men. One of them gave him an herbal concoction that would supposedly force kundalini to rise.
Well...Kundalini did indeed rise up through his chakras, in an unbelievably painfull experience that left him incopacitated for a week. Because he had not done any real work with energy before this experience for many years afterward he suffered from nervious twitches and body tremers that western doctors were unable to identify. In the last few months he has gotten better, but he still had terrifying flashes of knowing and third eye vision, and he now has a very difficult time showing his emotions, or holding eye contact.

So, yes, I understand that in this case the kundalini was forced with an aid, and it did not raise naturally, but I still think that it can be dangerious even for those who have done energy work but have not sufficently cleaned out their emotional baggage.

*I am also of the personal oppinion that opening the kundalini channal and forcing the energy up and out of the crown might not be the best of ideas. I fall more into the Daoist camp, in that I think that once the channal has been opened gently over time (and not one with, or a series of skull blowing experience) that the energy should be redirected back down into the body for personal balancing and internal alchemy. This, I feel is the best way to achieve spiritual immortality and true, permenent enlightenment (not the fleeting glimces that come with kundalini raising)*

[Celeborn]

Tyciol:

I like RB's way of talk, less religious chat compared to all the yoga and buddhist med out there, it's very professional and comforting.

For the most part I totally agree. I think that in the west, we absolutly need the clearity. We like things simple, straight forward, and logical.
The only thing that I feel is unfortunate with Robert Bruces system is that it lacks any true building of inner compassion (tantric buddhism), love, warmth, or even an energetically projected friendly smile (Daoism).

In my personal opinion, I feel that some of Roberts methods come off as cold and sterile. And in the field of broadening consciousness, positivity is vital for shaping the enhanced being we are to become. Unless we all want to be like Zen monks (and from my time in Japan I know I don't), with a frown permenently etched onto our faces.

*Of course, what RB does right, he does REALLY right. If you add his NEW as preliminary techniques for, say qi gong or tantra, your practice will be very much enhanced.

[star]

So, what herbs were used? :twisted:

[Celeborn]

haha. Actually, he himself did not know.

[tyciol]

I don't recall any frowning necessitates in new. Cold and sterile perhaps, but that's neutrality, which is a beautiful thing. Love should not be forced upon us, that should be a decision we make. If we choose love only in promise of reward thereafter, what is it then really?

Besides, that'd naturally develope with an open heart chakra, increased energy, destruction of blocks, better health and doing healing work which as RB describes does use love energy, I think.

Even so, if we choose to develope power without compassion, it should be an option not denied or there's really no will in it.

[Celeborn]

I don't recall any frowning necessitates in new.
Of course their are no frowning necessities in NEW, but in most of the Zen monestaries that I have visited there is an overwhelming sense dedication and devotion, which seem to ♥♥♥♥♥ everything else. As such, there is no laughter, no light heartedness, no no real smilling. And, if you have ever seen a zen monk who has spent a fair portion of thier life at a monestery, they tend to be rather cold and have deep frown wrinkels on their faces.

Contrast this with the Daoist or Tibetian Buddhist monk, who tend to cause those around them to feel comfertable and happy just by being in their presence.

Then look at the differences in their practices and techniques.


Cold and sterile perhaps, but that's neutrality, which is a beautiful thing. Love should not be forced upon us, that should be a decision we make. If we choose love only in promise of reward thereafter, what is it then really?

I never would suggest to try and fake happyness or love. That is counter productive. But, by generating good feelings while doing your meditations, the subconscious mind will begin to integrate them into your daily life.
And if you don't like the idea of working directly with love, and perfer neutrality, that is where the Daoist inner smile technique shines.

Because cold neutrality is not a beautiful thing. Cold neutrality is called apathy, and over time puts you in a pretty bad, bitter place. Warm neutrality, however, is aceptence and friendlyness.

In this Daoist practice you learn to generate calm smiling energy and project it into each of your organs, until your organs learn how to energetically smile back on their own. This harmonizes the different functions of your body into a relaxed, gently pleased state. Over time, the smile will become such a part of you that it will radiate outwards to the people around you, giving off the feeling of open friendlyness and aceptance to everyone you meet.

[tyciol]

Nooo cold neutrality IS good. For a technique. What I mean is that it should be up to us to add our OWN warmth to it, if we so choose. I find if there's too much love in something it can be kind of offputting because it's not the kind I relate to.

Zen Buddhism was popular among the warrior class of Japan I think, and I guess they could be somewhat stern at times. I think there are probably some that laugh, but perhaps they see it as a lack of discipline or respect to do it on grounds. I read a book on it and even I don't understand it too well...