For the Children

[Excaliber]

They need to teach NEW in grade school. I get slighty agitated that i didnt even know for sure humans had an energy body until i was seventeen. Imagine how much better our people would be if they all learned this stuff when they were children unstead of having to find out the hard way. Teach your children. Imagine how much further we will get as a civilization.
A month ago I gave a man i know(in his fifties or sixties) a copy of Astral Dynamics. He was having a hard time at the moment. you should see him now. He's giddy like a child about this stuff now. If only he would have learned it when he was five. Better late than never but still.

Best Wishes,

Dave

[Gemma]

Well I'm no expert but from my own experience, children need a routine and as little disruption as possible. So for this reason I would say from birth is better because then children are well prepared right from the start and it will become like second nature. Not only that, but babies are naturally perceptive and more open minded, plus it's been known for babies to get attacked by negs; so the earlier they are introduced to NEW, the better if a well developed energy body is any defence against negs.

Now, I know teaching a baby to do NEW itself is not possible until it gets a bit older, but if parents can do it for the baby until it gets old enough to do it for itself, then even that would be a good introduction to NEW from the outset.

[CFTraveler]

As soon as they can get the concept of what the energy body is, they can be taught. I can't see how that can happen from birth, though.

[Gemma]

Yes, that's what I mean. But I think maybe parents can work on their baby's energy body until the baby gets old enough to be taught to do it for itself. There must be a way of doing that.

[CFTraveler]

When my son was a baby he got the rota virus. I did Therapeutic Touch (which is a form of energy healing) and it worked. He was fine in three days. Of course back then I didn't know about energy work. Now I've taught him, but he doesn't do it routinely (he is 9 going on 13. Mom isn't cool anymore.) He does meditate, though. :lol:

[asalantu]

Well I'm no expert but from my own experience, children need a routine and as little disruption as possible. So for this reason I would say from birth is better because then children are well prepared right from the start and it will become like second nature. Not only that, but babies are naturally perceptive and more open minded, plus it's been known for babies to get attacked by negs; so the earlier they are introduced to NEW, the better if a well developed energy body is any defence against negs.

Now, I know teaching a baby to do NEW itself is not possible until it gets a bit older, but if parents can do it for the baby until it gets old enough to do it for itself, then even that would be a good introduction to NEW from the outset.

I agree with you, Gemma. Strong evidence supports hypothesis children are proficient at clarient abilities. Only when they grow, adult belief systems overlaps contributing to quenching of native belief systems.

Although babies concepts are minimal done its zero intelectual level (i.e.: teaching how to raise energy is impossible since babies hasn't a clear and intuitive energy concept) attunement from its parents might to be done since parents purposes are prima facie pure and unselfish.

I guess it would be possible store energy at baby subnavel storage center. Very interesting sequels such initiative might to have, but that from my viewpoint is only an adventurous hypothesis.

Sincerely,
Ángel

[Gemma]

Well I'm a strong believer in that anything is possible (although probability is another kettle of fish imo), so there must be some way of doing it for babies.

[wstein]

I would have said age 3-4 but that was not a choice.

Like most other things with children, they will pick up whatever they are exposed to. So if you naturally incorporate the energy body in your life, they will get it if they want to. If you try the "do what I say, not what I do" thing, they probably won't get it.

[kiwibonga]

I remember when my mom made me pick a sport and a musical instrument around age 7. Looking back, I think what my mom did was great, though unfortunately I had no interest in any of it. All I wanted to do was play video games! By age 11, I had tried rugby, karate, tennis, piano, the violin, drums... I stopped because it wasn't what I wanted to do.

To me, making a kid do energy work is a bit similar. You make them do something that is ultimately useful, but deep down it's not what they want to do, but what you want them to do.

What I would focus on rather is extra sensory perception and dreams. If I'm not mistaken, kids have all kinds of abilities until around age 5. If you nurture these abilities, help them memorize their dreams, etc, you can save their "psychic potential" ; then, when they're a bit older, you can introduce them to energy work and the like, let them choose if they want to do it.

[Gemma]

Yes, that's another way of looking at it. This would help teach children to take responsibility for their own choices.

[Excaliber]

What I would focus on rather is extra sensory perception and dreams. If I'm not mistaken, kids have all kinds of abilities until around age 5. If you nurture these abilities, help them memorize their dreams, etc, you can save their "psychic potential" ; then, when they're a bit older, you can introduce them to energy work and the like, let them choose if they want to do it.
i agree, children should be tought these things also. They are all related. I know our childrens schools are a long ways away from incorporating such topics into a completely valid program but I was mostly just ranting in my initial post. i know it might never happen and i think thats sad. But if you are taught the physical biologial anatomy of the human body, why not the entergetic anatomy. If you are taught basic history, why not basic mobile body awareness and ect. I know that a lot of opinions differ on "spiritual" matters and even their validity. so it would be a huge debate as for as to what should be taught but thats why i love Robert Bruce's work on these subjects and how he obtained such information and even better is that his NEW isnt steeped with "esoteric " or "occult terminology. Its based on trail and error and it is put into plain english. Through NEW or some other energy development work, ESP and clearer dream recall WILL occur. I was force fed math when i was a child and hated it, now i think its a beautiful thing. Basically all i'm trying to say is that this sort of thing should be required learning just as much so as my"Home economics" class was in highschool, it should be introduced with the basics at a young age, with the option for further more advanced stuff as the child grows older.

[CFTraveler]

I know that a lot of opinions differ on "spiritual" matters and even their validity. so it would be a huge debate as for as to what should be taught Exactly. It goes to the separation of church and state. I do know spiritual practices are different from religion, but once you get the government something to say about this, you have no control over what they are being taught. My son, for example, has been probably projecting for a while, and I have taught him meditation, basic NEW, and lucidity training. But I do this with his understanding (VERY IMPORTANT TO ME) that he always feels completely safe and learns how to get out of situations without being threatened. I don't trust any kind of system in which I have no control to do the same, so I would wait until he's old enough to learn the difference between an objective experience and a subjective one.
One example I would give (in real life) is: My son just informed me that they have an UFO section on his school (elementary school) library, and he has just been reading the gory aspects of what happens with alien abductions. Having been an experiencer of sorts myself, I was upset because he is already being taught fear on a subject that he may (or may not) have to face in the future- and I feel that the way I was going to introduce him to the subject, the choice on how to do it, has been taken from me. Now I have to be extra careful how I react if (and when) things happen, because of the fear feedback he is going to get from me.
That's just one example.

[Excaliber]

I was upset because he is already being taught fear on a subject that he may (or may not) have to face in the future-
I remember when i was first learning to meditate, my dad had tons of old books in our garage, and i found one titled "How to meditate" (written in the seventies i believe). within the first couple chapters it stated something like "if during meditation you feel any kind of tingling sensation, stop imediately because this is evil". I'm glad my B.S. Radar had been installed correctly because according to that book i was having "evil" symptoms daily. That of course, just goes to show that opinions can very to the extreme. That is also why Facts and opinions must be seperated when it comes to teaching our children. Children can take the opinions of those adults that surround them while gowing up and in their adult life those same said "opinions" have become facts in their mindset.

My son just informed me that they have an UFO section on his school (elementary school) library, and he has just been reading the gory aspects of what happens with alien abductions.
and as i'm sure you know, the fact is there are good "UFO" stories and bad ones. I am against, just as you, having gory abduction stories in elementary school libraries but since your son has already been introduced mabye a dose of "good" stories are in order.

[CFTraveler]

We're working on that. :wink:

[Rhone]

Exactly. It goes to the separation of church and state.

Ah, you beat me to the issue I wanted to bring up, CF. I support separation of Church and State and I don't want schools pushing the local popular organized religion on my future children. I would hence have to consider myself hypocritical if I wanted schools to teach even spiritual beliefs I agree with.

And, while I know and you know and we all know that the energy we're working with is real, we have to accept that it still falls under the realm of spiritual beliefs--at least until scientists have a tool that allows it to be empirically studied, and have the cojones to admit they've been wrong all this time (well, they won't--they'll just use their own terminology for everything and pretend it has nothing to do with our silly New Agey stuff). Excuse my run-on sentence. :)

There is one thing I can think of that I think would be appropriate for children (in the sense that they'd enjoy doing it and would be unlikely to hurt themselves with it), and would be appropriate to do in schools (as it's fairly well validated scientifically, even if scientists like to explain it away as a function of blood flow and stress relief). That thing would be some form of active (i.e. involving body movements) Yoga or Qigong. Nothing overly complex or strenuous, just a simple series of exercises adapted from Qigong or Yoga that the kids could do in gym or even in the classroom once per day.

Beyond that, I want to be the one to decide what my (future) kids learn about energy work, and I don't want my decisions to be imposed on other parents.

[Excaliber]

:oops:

[CFTraveler]

is there any reason why anybody wouldnt want they're kids to know the truth? Because everybody has a different idea of what 'truth' is, and when it comes to 'spiritual belief', I don't want someone else deciding what 'truth' is and then force-feeding it to my child. I already am having to deal with western society's concepts of original sin, the devil and absolute evil programming that children routinely receive through TV and religion outside of the school, I don't want to have to consider raising my child as constant deprogramming from the crap they are fed if religious instruction is legitimized in the school systems.

[Excaliber]

I already am having to deal with western society's concepts of original sin, the devil and absolute evil programming that children routinely receive through TV and religion outside of the school, I don't want to have to consider raising my child as constant deprogramming from the crap they are fed if religious instruction is legitimized in the school systems.
Thats kind of what i'm talking about. i apologize, i'm not coming across very well here. :(

*Excaliber slowly backs away. looks both ways, crosses the road, takes off running*

gains 12 experience points

[Rhone]

CF expressed my view better than I would have, so I'll leave that part out.

To clarify what I said about Qigong/Yoga... yes, I know that they are systems of energy work and there are spiritual beliefs involved. I was not suggesting that schools should teach the metaphysical aspects of those practices. What I was saying is that modern science has been forced to accept that there are health benefits to the exercises in those systems, even if they insist on those benefits being purely physiological.

So, I was suggesting that schools could have kids do a short and simple series of exercises, like these (http://www.ru.ac.za/societies/qi/baduanjin/index.html), and that it could be legitimately presented as a way to reduce stress and improve mental clarity. Kids would benefit from it without having to hear anything about the qi involved.

Of course, I want MY future kids to learn about qi/energy/prana/whatever, but I would like to be the one to decide when they learn about it and how they learn about it. I'm happy teaching them myself. Schools don't need to be teaching that, just as they don't need to be teaching our kids that the earth was created out of nothing 5000 years ago and God just puts dinosaur fossils in the ground to confuse us. The fundamentalist Christian parents can keep that at home and in Church--and away from my family. And in turn I'll keep my spiritual beliefs, which the fundamentalist Christians view as Satanic, in my home.

*Excaliber slowly backs away. looks both ways, crosses the road, takes off running*
Aww. Don't feel bad, we're just approaching it from different perspectives. I agree with you that it would be great for children to start learning about energy. I just think the onus is on those of us who do energy work to teach it to our kids ourselves.

[Tom]

Why wait for a baby to be born to start sending energy? :)

Teaching children to think is what school is for. Why not get them started with games like that biofeedback one Wild Divine?

[Excaliber]

please do keep in mind that my initial post was typed in frustration, and this one also.

-not directed at anybody-

1. I do not want religion taught in grade school

2. I do respect a parents right to decide what is best for their child

3. I do believe there is a better way.

4. I do believe a scientific exploration of entergetic principles
could be undertaken, studied, documented, and tested in regards to the human energy body. An ongoing process.

5. I do believe that if such scientific studies were done, and proven correct, that it would be morally, ethically and humanly wrong not to teach the facts in our public educational system.

6. I also understand that this will not happen in my lifetime.

7. I WILL eat a nacho tonight for dinner.

[CFTraveler]

http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/party/party-smiley-016.gif
*I couldn't find a nacho-eating smiley*
Now I'm hungry.

[Tom]

>1. I do not want religion taught in grade school

Neither do I. That would make it necessary to pick one. Let's just tell
the children that they are basically good.

>2. I do respect a parents right to decide what is best for their child

Don't count on them to decide. Most don't want to because they don't
even know what is good for themselves. Start by asking the parents
what they want.

>3. I do believe there is a better way.

It would be hard to make things worse.

>4. I do believe a scientific exploration of energetic principles
>could be undertaken, studied, documented, and tested in regards to the
>human energy body. An ongoing process.

Why not start with what has already been established and go from
there, then?

>5. I do believe that if such scientific studies were done, and proven
>correct, that it would be morally, ethically and humanly wrong not to
>teach the facts in our public educational system.

fMRI looks very promising.

>6. I also understand that this will not happen in my lifetime.

Are you already over 70 or 80?

>7. I WILL eat a nacho tonight for dinner.

Nutrition in school is an even bigger mess, especially with food allergies and other kinds of restrictions.

[Excaliber]

thank you Tom :D

nacho-eating smiley- :D

if somebody tries to take my nacho smiley :evil:

nacho all gone smiley :(

[Tempestinateapot]

Speaking of the school system........or you could not worry a lot about it, have honest dialog with your children when matters of religion and spirituality come up, and let them figure it out for themselves. Now adults, I have one son who is quite enlightened, one son who thinks if there is a God, then he's got a sick sense of humor, and a daughter (who died) who would argue 'til she was blue in the face that I must be saved by Jesus. One thing I've learned about kids, they are going to be what they want to be and will be ok no matter what. Isn't that what spirituality is all about? I've had to mumble under my breath hundreds and hundreds of times, "They are their own soul, not mine". I haven't completely convinced myself, but the cords are still dropping one by friggin' one. I remember my mom saying (at 75 years old), "You'll always be my baby". :roll: :lol:

[Tom]

Although I realize it doesn't matter, I would prefer to see the school system improve and the world in general. I would prefer to see people taught at a young age to use the resources they have instead of learning limitations and doubts. It is easier to avoid problems than to fix them after they already happened.

[crappysurfer2]

things should be taught, but in small increments, children are fragile and showing them truth could be potentially devastating if one isnt ready, i know i wasnt completely ready when i had a moment of enlightenment(which i think is a misleading name) i fell into a 2 relapse of just needing to sleep, it hurt my concious, basically i wasnt ready, its confusing...

on a cool note i was talking to my little sister (12) about lucid dreaming and projection and she told me about how her 2nd grade teacher tried to teach the class astral projection, which i thought was neat

[Rhone]

Ah, Excalibur, I had a feeling we were more in agreement than it seemed. Except I had curry, not nachos. :)