David Icke

[Shanunski]

I have a question and hope some of you may have some experience to offer. Is anyone familiar with the David Icke materials? Reptilian Agenda, etc....
What is the general take on this guy? Is it just me, or does he really just seem to attack, though subtly, the reality of God and the love of God's creation? How can it all be fear based and love based at the same time? I got the impression that he speaks so realistically of Reptillians, but works hard to discredit any sort of counter force. Any opinions would be welcome and appreciated.

[Lordofthebunnies]

IMO, some of these conspiracy theories people like David Icke formulate make for interesting (if not downright amusing) reading, but I take it all with an EXTREME grain of salt. I think that alot of it is pure paranoid nonsense, mixed with tiny kernels of truth obscured by the tendency for contact with the astral realm to be very subjective and symbolic.

I mean, come on, shape-shifting reptilians ruling the world? While I am of the view that all things are possible, that doesn't mean some things aren't VERY, VERY improbable.

It might be possible that there are secret groups who have a certain measure of control, but I'm 99% certain its nothing even approaching absolute control. The world is just to complex for things to work that way. Most likely, said secret groups via for a more subtle form of control that allows them to ride along the waves of history, taking what they need to stay afoot. If their work was anywhere near as overt as some conspiracy theorists seem to think, they would most likely be discovered and destroyed.

[Pilar]

I read Icke. I always enjoy a brain-tangle, so I'll read stuff like this to stretch out and imagine the possibility of his reality being true.

Is it?

Who knows. I always come back to--what do I have to do today and how can I be the least harmful as possible to myself and others on a moment-to-moment basis. 'Reptilians ruling the world' on my mind all day won't get me through my personal duties and issues, you know?

I'm with 'lords of the bunnies' on this one.

I did sort of fit Icke's profile for a reptile, though! :shock:
Since reading it, I've gone vegetarian and tried to mediate my emotionless thinking with more touchy-feelyiness :)

[Wolf_Thor]

I don't know about much else, but I definately believe that a shadow government exists. I've heard stories from too many sources, not just Icke.

[Shanunski]

Right. You see, what he has said, much of it goes right along with some dreams I have had, big dreams that have come to pass. I came across his work just as I was getting all tagled up with what you might call a dark spirit. A woman whos web I got caught horrobly up in. It nearly destroyed me and I am still recovering, though I still dont even really understand what the F%*#k happened. But the reptillian stuff got all tangled up in it with me. Unless, perhaps, she was one of them. There were signs. And though I was with her for 9 months, she seemed to have some serious control over my emotions right from the start, and I really just thought it was all "meant to be", my "soul mate". It was that intense. It was bizarre, the strange coincidences. At the end, while I was discovering all of this information about the Lizzies, she had some sort of little incident. She was on Lortabs, and laying on her couch, and she said her eyes were closed and she started having these little glimpses of visions. She said she felt her eyes close sideways, like a lizzie. Felt these feelings like that. I had had a dream where I saw this shadow lure her upstairs then enter her body and lodge itself beside her heart. Then she started walking towards me to embrace me with this thing inside of her. I was too protective of her to just get the f out. There was this sort of thing she did in the end where she knew what I was talking about when I was miles away. 50 miles away. I was talking to a guy at work about her and how I had gone thousands of dollars into debt since I got with her, trying to take care of her, waiting for her to get her strength back as her ex husband had suddenly died of a heart attack 3 years before at 43. In any case, she just "happened" totext message me at that moment with a simple message. "Just tell me how much I owe you." Not only did she know what I was talking about, but she also managed to make me feel guilty about it. There were other such coincidences. So you see, I am trying to understand if his books maybe just somehow screwed my thinking up, or if I just happened to encounter one, actually two. Whatever the case, I feel pretty screwed. Wish like hell I could just go back in time and walk the other way. By the way, if anyone here is really experienced in this astral traveling thing, I could use some help. Wish Mr. Bruce lived a little closer to oklahoma, because unfortunately most people seem to be more interested in looking like they know what the hell their doing than actually doing something. Anybody with any ideas? Know anyone near oklahoma with the kind of experience to help? Know how to speak with spirit guides and obtain answeres from the other side?

[enoch]

Icke once believed he was jesus ( this claim was made during his breakdown and subsequently he was paraded around in the tabloid (on live tv) as some lunatic. It was all very grotesquely carnivalesque. Poor guy. His books are widely ridiculed in the Uk and I must admit, I have picked one of the libarary shelf few times recently and then replaced it in fear of not bein able to pass to the librarian without feeling a complete wazzock. I've never read anything by icke. I don't tend to..unless my curiosity gets the better of me. Bless his cotton socks. Sometimes the lunatic fringe may have comething of real importance that they're trying to profess, but once that social label is etched on him then it's very difficult to erase it from one's mind.

[sash]

LOL If I walked out of a book store or library thinking what people would think of the books I chose I don't think I would read anything. :P I think I've gotten over that a while ago.

I enjoyed reading David Icke's books a few years back. They are quite good for spiritual investigation, although they hone in on a lot of areas and some of it is just not useful for me, while other stuff is of v. high value. I don't think something like "Children Of The Matrix" by Icke is the kind of book I could just afford to skip over in any serious spiritual journey.

[enoch]

I can see where you're coming from but with Icke's stuff I just get that humiliated feeling, like I'm a ten year old boy trying to buy a porno mag. :lol:

[Pilar]

Right. You see, what he has said, much of it goes right along with some dreams I have had, big dreams that have come to pass. I came across his work just as I was getting all tagled up with what you might call a dark spirit. A woman whos web I got caught horrobly up in. It nearly destroyed me and I am still recovering, though I still dont even really understand what the F%*#k happened. But the reptillian stuff got all tangled up in it with me. Unless, perhaps, she was one of them. There were signs. And though I was with her for 9 months, she seemed to have some serious control over my emotions right from the start, and I really just thought it was all "meant to be", my "soul mate". It was that intense. It was bizarre, the strange coincidences. At the end, while I was discovering all of this information about the Lizzies, she had some sort of little incident. She was on Lortabs, and laying on her couch, and she said her eyes were closed and she started having these little glimpses of visions. She said she felt her eyes close sideways, like a lizzie. Felt these feelings like that. I had had a dream where I saw this shadow lure her upstairs then enter her body and lodge itself beside her heart. Then she started walking towards me to embrace me with this thing inside of her. I was too protective of her to just get the f out. There was this sort of thing she did in the end where she knew what I was talking about when I was miles away. 50 miles away. I was talking to a guy at work about her and how I had gone thousands of dollars into debt since I got with her, trying to take care of her, waiting for her to get her strength back as her ex husband had suddenly died of a heart attack 3 years before at 43. In any case, she just "happened" totext message me at that moment with a simple message. "Just tell me how much I owe you." Not only did she know what I was talking about, but she also managed to make me feel guilty about it. There were other such coincidences. So you see, I am trying to understand if his books maybe just somehow screwed my thinking up, or if I just happened to encounter one, actually two. Whatever the case, I feel pretty screwed. Wish like hell I could just go back in time and walk the other way. By the way, if anyone here is really experienced in this astral traveling thing, I could use some help. Wish Mr. Bruce lived a little closer to oklahoma, because unfortunately most people seem to be more interested in looking like they know what the hell their doing than actually doing something. Anybody with any ideas? Know anyone near oklahoma with the kind of experience to help? Know how to speak with spirit guides and obtain answeres from the other side?

It sounds like you might need a break from interacting with 'the other side'. Do you know what I mean? This woman you are speaking of, and the Icke information about a race of lizards posing as people...it sounds like you are feeling fear. Fear is the opposite of light. If you want to move toward Light in your life, then you need to move away from things that are filling you with fear. Indulging in fear causes alot of inner instability. As you say, you are 'feeling screwed'. Why not take a moment and step back from your current situation and the things you are engaged with, and take a breath. Look again at your situation, and identify anything that brings you feelings of peace, stability and well-being. Move toward those things.

[Shanunski]

Good advice, Pilar. That is just what I did 4 months ago. The problem is that the dreams, the debt I accrued carrying her for 9 months, believing she was "the one", and that she was sincere, instead of only a mirror that shows what one wants to see while robbing them, and the constant attacks, the psychic drain, the scars of a soul bombed into shock and devastated. Not being able to work for the fear and agony that racked my consciousness. Then the waves of negativity and pain that hit me when I try to exercise or take other steps that might give me some sense of peace again. Then the anger and hatred for all of these things being layed upon me by one I sacrificed myself so willingly to help even when I wanted to walk away and just enjoy my own life. All of these things remained. Dramatic though it may sound, this was only the tip of the iceburg. Trust me, I would love to just forget it all. The problem is that I dont even understand what the hell happened. But still, things arent as bad as they were for the first month or two. Perhaps someday soon I will be able to follow your suggestion. After all, it is my desire to just be able to live my life in peace. At least long enough to get strong again. But you named it correctly. I have not been one to live in fear. I have always challenged those around me when they began to judge or attack those who were at their mercy on some level. Even when I knew there would be repurcussions. But never have I felt a fear and helplessness as I have in the last months. And it fills me with anger. One should not be haunted like this. Not for wanting to love someone. It is very rude. I know of no other word that fits. Thankyou for your advice however. I already got rid of his books. Just trying to put the pieces back together.

[Shanunski]

I believe it is a sort of dark story of creation he is spreading. Sort of like the Dark Beings perspective on creation. The perspective of the light is that we were created so that God might experience what it knows. It is one thing to be all that is. It is quite another to experience that being. The dark souls, I would guess, just didnt want to do the work. So they dont really develope or grow. They use the energy of others to survive and maintain their energy levels. They feed off of others. There is no freedom in this. It is enslavement. The light, those who walk in the light, they drink from the Great Mothers Breast, as Lao Tsu put it. There is no greater freedom than to need nothing. To know and feel you are loved and kept safe wherever you may travel. Even if you only want to sit in your own room. To feel the life around you as a part of what you truly are, and love it as such. Mr. Icke's books make the idea that we are seperate from creation, that is some fearful reality in which we are trapped, a more powerful arguement. He claims that each life we sink further and further from God. Perhaps some do. But not those who walk the path of God. Not that any of us dont. But those who choose to be conscious of what they are move so much more quickly forward. Overall, I have trouble trusting Icke's message. Perhaps some day I will see things differently. Perhaps it's just where I was when I read them. But if there are Reptilians, then there must be a counter force. And if we are still living in God's loving embrace, which I believe we are, then there must be something far greater than this fear based reality of which he speaks. And I heard very little else from the fellow. I believe I even read that the afterlife, and the wonderful things found therein, are only an illusion of fear. Perhaps if I adopt that ideology, that is all I will see when I get there. In any case, thank you all for your feedback. And have a nice day.

[enoch]

I copied this experiment from disinformation.com

I might try it: Here's a revolutionary test designed to reshape your reality tunnel: get a private journal, and then read a David Icke book. Note your reactive feelings and thoughts. Then read Michael Shermer's 'Why People Believe Weird Things' (WH Freemason & Co, 1998) and Carl Sagan's 'Demon Haunted World (Ballantine Books, 1997). Note your reactive feelings and thoughts. The read an Icke book again. Note any perceptual changes and review your notes. Has your world subsequently become an awe-inspiring, more beautiful place?

I really must read some Icke. I want to believe....

I really do want to believe that Bush is nothing but a slimey lizard :P

[CFTraveler]

I really do want to believe that B--h is nothing but a slimey lizard
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I don't think you need to read Icke to believe that...

[Shanunski]

Ha Ha. That was one of the things that really got me convinced about the authenticity of his words. Cmon guys. Dont you believe in Compassionate Conservatism? :twisted:

[Pilar]

Shanunski,
I can relate to many of the things you've shared. I hear the rawness you feel in regards to this personal loss/challenge in your life. It sounds to me as though you are empathic, which means that you have difficulty at time holding your own boundaries on who "I" am, what "I" believe, etc, and can at times become flooded by others, like this woman, and Icke's ideas. Alot of focus is placed in Buddhism and spirituality on 'getting rid of ego' but for some of us, we need to put some energy into 'maintaining an ego' which is just having some buffer-zone between 'us' and the outside world of thoughts and ideas and emotions. When our own inner boundaries collapse, it can be difficult to push back other's ideas and emotions from consuming our mental space. I've been in that state many times myself and relate to what you are describing when trying to detangle from this woman and from Icke's book.

In my understanding, from what I've heard from many different healers and psychics, there are many different beings in the world other than what we consider to be "human". I met a woman who explained to me that the earth is one of many locations of spiritual growth and learning, and that souls from all different dimensions, planets, galaxies, realities incarnate into human bodies on this planet in order to learn and grow through this particular set of lessons. I've heard people say they believe there is a reptilian race (dragon/draconian lineage of souls) that are one of many types of souls incarnate in human bodies here. That may be true. It doesn't mean that they are all evil, it doesn't mean that there is a grand conspiracy, or that you need to view the world as a fearful place. We all know that there are people here who would harm us, and we avoid them. If you encounter something, astral or human, that sets off your fear-sensor, listen to it. Excuse yourself and move away. That's all. Like attracts like, move towards the light, fill your mind with light. The bad stuff is all out there, but you don't need to come into contact with it. If you think about it constantly, you are more likely to attract it. If you fill your life with love and light and surround yourself with others who are filled with love and light, you will attract more love and light, not more darkness and fear.

There may be a reptilian race, as well as many others. It doesn't alter the fact that Icke is filled with fear. His tone in that book is not healthy. He isn't stable and grounded in that book. The way you feel after reading it is a good indicator to you of how healthy that man is.

Long-winded--this seems to be becoming my trademark. Sorry. Wishing you well.

[orygbus]

You can find some of Icke's lectures on google video and youtube, beats reading the books....Here's a few that I found:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 7553055155 (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=868482147553055155)

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=david+icke

[enoch]

The guy was a pro footballer. He had a breakdown and popped up out of nowhere claiming to be the son of God. Fair going...plenty of others have done it in the past (including jesus and those before him) and they made a good show of it. Thanks to Paul's mythologising in Greece Jesus got himself quite a name, didn't he. :P But I can't shake off those early years when he was paraded on national tv like some circus freak. I felt sorry for the guy. Does he still believe that he's the son of God...or is he the son of a lizard now?

[Pilar]

Icke irritates me :?

I think this is because I am a writer, and I feel that writers and publishers need to have a deep sense of responsibility that comes from an awareness of their power of influence to captivate an audience. Personally, I feel that Icke is irresponsible in the information he presents and the way he presents it.

I think we all agree that it's impossible to agree on an absolute Truth, but to what extent does published material need to be accurate? Is it okay if you are chanelling information that is 5% truth and 95% influenced by lower-level entities, fear, and old conditioning? It seems to me that there are a lot of ungrounded New Agers publishing material that has been 'channeled' and cannot be verified, yet they are presenting it all as fact to an audience of seekers who are open to persuasion.

I think it is very important to judge information for yourself, as a seeker, and a good way to check in is by observing how you feel after you have opened your consciousness up to consider someone else's version of reality. Do you feel energized, uplifted, encouraged, and hopeful about your future as a soul? Or do you feel frightened, depressed, hopeless, and see no future but despair? How does Icke's argument influence your view on your own soul and the future of your soul?

What percentage of Icke's argument is 'truth'? We are on a planet where there are many different species and levels of intelligence other than human. We ourselves exist in at least 7 different dimensions simultaneously, correct? It is logical that power hierarchies exist beyond the levels we are blatantly aware of. Even our own governments are involved in activities we would be horrified to know about. "Public awareness" is a misnomer. Anyone who has had a brush with the realm of power and strategy is aware that 1) it is naive to think one can fight it head-on, 2) it's not a good idea to come into contact with that realm. My beef with Icke is that he oversimplifies everything and presents all his information in a way that creates fear, suspicion, distrust and helplessness in his audience. What is he really suggesting? A revolution?? Is he that naive? A single reptilian race responsible for all the suffering occuring on our planet? How is your average Joanne sitting on her couch going to free herself from that degree of control and enslavement?

The way I have heard some teachers that I respect very much explain our current situation is that our planet and our race desperately needs to evolve out of the 'warrior archetype' which is conflict-based, inherently repetitive and painful. Somehow we have got to raise our vibration to exit this reality, to secure our existence in a higher state of non-harming, love, harmony, and unity. Lovingkindness is the focus. Turning the audience's focus to identifying and fighting the enemy is not going to lead to freedom. Is this a different type of thinking than the current Bush administration everyone so loves to hate? It is military, conflict-type thinking. Who is the real 'enemy'? Is it Muslims, the American government, the Illuminati, or Reptiles? Icke does not present a way out of the frightening reality he describes.

It is spiritually irresponsible to create fear and helplessness in an audience of seekers. Fear-states of mind are lower level vibration. Fear creates fear. War creates war. Suspicion creates isolation and hate. The Buddhist masters say that none of this is as solid as we take it to be. The reason we are learning astral projection is to learn to control our states of mind, and create our reality the way we want it to be. We are here learning to navigate our way out of lower-level mind states and to cultivate the higher mind-state vibrations of love, peace, safety and well-being. Remember: there isn't any future. It hasn't been created yet! There is only the present: our thoughts influence our actions, and our actions create our future reality.

I have a question and hope some of you may have some experience to offer. Is anyone familiar with the David Icke materials? Reptilian Agenda, etc....
What is the general take on this guy? Is it just me, or does he really just seem to attack, though subtly, the reality of God and the love of God's creation? How can it all be fear based and love based at the same time? I got the impression that he speaks so realistically of Reptillians, but works hard to discredit any sort of counter force. Any opinions would be welcome and appreciated.

icke is not to be trusted, he is being misinformed by certain "guiding forces," and yes he does subtley distract your attention away from god. alot of his material is right on...but IT WAS ALL STOLEN FROM OTHER RESEARCHERS.


http://www.davidickeforum.com/forum/vie ... 66b92cc636 (http://www.davidickeforum.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=1&sid=1777b3abf7ac510601a8a566b92cc636)

http://forums.astraldynamics.com/viewtopic.php?t=3811

may i suggest someone as an alternative to icke???

http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com/

[Shanunski]

Pilar and WhiteSage, I couldnt agree more. It is good to hear your words. I spoke with a friend of mine. She has not read the books, but she has a very powerful mind. I trust much of what she says, as much as I can really trust anyone I suppose. We came to the same conclusion as what you two had to say. It really is as though he is spreading some sort of dark perception of creation. What is dangerous, and inclines one away from communion with God, is the way he goes through makes an argument as though everything holy is evil. Thankyou deeply for your input. It is good to hear it. Confirming. Enoch, I dont recall ever hearing seeing him on the Tele, so I cant share your experience. And as far as being the Son of God. So is every living thing, wouldnt you agree? If it was his intent to isolate himself as unique as such, then yes, I would agree he is wacko. But Ive never met him. Like you, I dont trust his message. So we can agree on that for sure. Thankyou for your input everyone. Oh, and Pillar. Yes, you are correct. Too empathic at times. I am learning to care about my own self too. It is nice. Empowering. Very good sense you have there. Thankyou. :wink:

[Pilar]

Oh, and Pillar. Yes, you are correct. Too empathic at times. I am learning to care about my own self too. It is nice. Empowering. Very good sense you have there. Thankyou. :wink:

Believe me, anything I share is only from experience. :wink:

[TranQ]

Me and my wife drove to Tyler, TX a few years back and met David Icke. He gave 3 - 2hr presentations which I now have on DVD. I believe what David has done, is that he has given a TON of starting points. It's like he's painted a large picture of how they all relate, but its up to us to research areas of interest for ourselves. Children of the Matrix was an amazing book, especially the last few chapters. Not sure about the whole Reptilian thing, but I would highly recommend to anyone his latest book which is entitled, "Infinite Love Is The Only Truth, Everything Else Is Illusion".
Robert Bruce told me in an email a few years ago that he has met reptilian entities, but there was no indication that they are pulling the strings.