What does astral projection feel like?

[luffy28]

Hi,
I want to know how I can tell when I'm about to / when / if I'm in an astral projection?

In other words I want to know what it is like to astral project. Examples could be perception, feelings, movement etc...

What is it like to have an astral projection and know it's real? Or what proof can I make / test out to make sure the astral projection is real and I know that I've astral projected?

Thanks.

[susan]

I find things can change from one to the next. I have a feeling this could be related to development of chakras to the body we are in. Kurt Leland writes a lot about this.
When I've been in what Robert calls 'Real Time Zone' replica of my bedroom and house I would say,
Feeling Excited because I know exactly what is happening but in a hazy kind of way because I feel so light.Floaty, nothing solid but I've felt resistance before going through my ceiling which was like slight pressure against a balloon.However I've gone fast into my bedroom wardrobes with no feeling at all. My long see through fingers went through a card with no feeling .
Only once have I smelt. But then again what is there in a house to smell. I had gone out into the garden for a quick tour and the sweetest of sweetest smell of the grass.It was almost overpowering.

In the astral body once again it can change.If I've consciously raised up from body and then shoot upwards fast often there is blackness at first. If then seeing what looks like space I've heard nothing. Complete silence.Movement is fast.You see something in the distance and almost immediatly you are in front of it just by thinking. No feeling of movement. 360 vision is well talked about and yes this is so quick to happen but I've often only had 180 vision.
I could go on and on and bore you to death so I'll stop. Many people here including old members no longer here have logged their experiences in the OBE section. When you have time have a good browse through the older posts. So many to read and I'm sure you will get a good idea.
I think it's important to remember that the development of the senses andthe condition of our mind plays an important part.
I would highly recommend you reading Kurt Leland's ' The Multidimensional Human ' book.

Ps . I don't know about proving in astral but if you wanted to prove Real Time Zone there is always the card trick. If you don't know this just let me know.

[luffy28]

Thanks I'll just either have to look on this forum or google it.

I'll try to make sense of what you posted.

Again thanks.

[CFTraveler]

It's an experience, so if you feel a change in perception other than the blackness or color blobs in front of your eyes, feel vibrations or other such energy sensations, and find yourself hurtling through space, you're having an out of body experience.
The reality of the experience depends on 'where' you 'land', not on whether you've projected. If there is an exit, you have projected.
If you end up in your room or in a neighborhood, you're in the real time zone. There you may see something that is verifiable.
If you end up in a fantastic landscape, you have 'landed' in the 'astral plane', an environment that is reflective of your thoughts and emotions, and is created by the collective consciousness. This may be symbolically verified, or apparent fantasy.
A realtime projection can be verified if you go to the place you visited and identify what you saw, but other than that, there are very few ways to verify that you 'really' astral projected.
That's why I prefer the term 'out of body experience'. It's more descriptive and less prone to debates on its reality in respect to the material world.

[luffy28]

It's an experience, so if you feel a change in perception other than the blackness or color blobs in front of your eyes, feel vibrations or other such energy sensations, and find yourself hurtling through space, you're having an out of body experience.
The reality of the experience depends on 'where' you 'land', not on whether you've projected. If there is an exit, you have projected.
If you end up in your room or in a neighborhood, you're in the real time zone. There you may see something that is verifiable.
If you end up in a fantastic landscape, you have 'landed' in the 'astral plane', an environment that is reflective of your thoughts and emotions, and is created by the collective consciousness. This may be symbolically verified, or apparent fantasy.
A realtime projection can be verified if you go to the place you visited and identify what you saw, but other than that, there are very few ways to verify that you 'really' astral projected.
That's why I prefer the term 'out of body experience'. It's more descriptive and less prone to debates on its reality in respect to the material world.

Can you or anyone else give me online resources (or books) so I can verify this?

I've only felt the vibrations and that's either when I'm on my back or sitting (usually in a semi-trance state or a near trance state). I've never gotten (or perceived) past the vibration stage.

Thanks.

[CFTraveler]

There are various books on the subject (Fred Aardema's work, Explorations in Consciousness, touches on some of this, but he did write the guide to Focus 10, a copy of which we have in the forum), and of course Robert's Astral Dynamics and Robert and Brian's Mastering Astral Projection probably do too, but what is there to verify? I mean, some people have some of the symptoms and others don't. It's a subjective and changing experience.
I am almost sure that seminal books such as the first one by Monroe or Buhlman's books also describe some of these experiences too.

[luffy28]

There are various books on the subject (Fred Aardema's work, Explorations in Consciousness, touches on some of this, but he did write the guide to Focus 10, a copy of which we have in the forum), and of course Robert's Astral Dynamics and Robert and Brian's Mastering Astral Projection probably do too, but what is there to verify? I mean, some people have some of the symptoms and others don't. It's a subjective and changing experience.
I am almost sure that seminal books such as the first one by Monroe or Buhlman's books also describe some of these experiences too.

Thanks,
I designed (for myself) exercises from Roberts first treatise on astral projection from 1994 (his very first one). It is very well written for a beginner at that time (of writing)and I did / made for myself a 30 something minute mp3 for the point shift exercise. It felt like my head was expanding had an opening. It also felt like my attention (that you use to focus on one thing)was in front of my body but kept switching back to my body and in front of my body (sounds like duality). The same with an exercise within that mp3 I designed where the listener goes to a place from the past. It was the same thing my attention (to focus) kept switching back to my body and then focused (or switched) to the place I was visualizing. The third exercise just felt like visualizing a picture and there was no feeling at all.

Is this a sign of a genuine obe / astral projection? Or at least some symptoms.

Thanks for the reply.

[CFTraveler]

Robert has called that phenomenon (in the past) a mini-obe. I call it sequential bilocation. I was telling him about this when it was happening (in one of his workshops). It happened to me a few more times, but not very often now. Rarely, even.

[luffy28]

So if I keep doing it will it turn into a full obe?

I'm asking cause when I did it for a little time I felt like my focus was in that one area alone.

Also can I share the script I recorded my voice in so you (or anyone else)can tell me how / if I'll have an obe.

I'm going to eventually do a recording of it with the mental hands recording and the relaxation recording. All in one with a relaxation from a self-hypnosis book.

Thanks.

[CFTraveler]

So if I keep doing it will it turn into a full obe? I don't know. Maybe.


I'm asking cause when I did it for a little time I felt like my focus was in that one area alone. Eventually you end up focusing in one of your locations, be it in or out.


Also can I share the script I recorded my voice in so you (or anyone else)can tell me how / if I'll have an obe. I'm sure you can, but no one can predict what's going to happen, unless they are precognitive.


I'm going to eventually do a recording of it with the mental hands recording and the relaxation recording. All in one with a relaxation from a self-hypnosis book.

Thanks. You're welcome.

[luffy28]

I just mostly need advice on how to do the relaxation without an mp3?

When I try to do it without an mp3 (the one I recorded) it takes longer to relax my body.

Also I need help / advice on how to do the mental hands exercise all over my body and over my chakras (I haven't recorded an mp3 for the mental hands chakra because I already have knowledge / experience with a chakra meditation)?

Thanks.

[CFTraveler]

If muscle tensing and relaxing are too technical, pick muscle groups (the legs and feet, the torso, the arms and hands, the neck, the head, the face) and imagine you are made of butter that's melting. Low tech and very relaxing. Listen to the earhiss in your head if you need distraction without the artificiality of music.

[luffy28]

If muscle tensing and relaxing are too technical, pick muscle groups (the legs and feet, the torso, the arms and hands, the neck, the head, the face) and imagine you are made of butter that's melting. Low tech and very relaxing. Listen to the earhiss in your head if you need distraction without the artificiality of music.

Can this also be done for the mental hands / mental hands chakras?

Thanks.

[CFTraveler]

You don't tense chakras, you tense muscle groups.
You relax the body by relaxing the physical muscles, you relax the mind by doing mental relaxing visualizations.
Chakras don't relax, you can let them be and not stimulate them (by ignoring them.)

[luffy28]

You don't tense chakras, you tense muscle groups.
You relax the body by relaxing the physical muscles, you relax the mind by doing mental relaxing visualizations.
Chakras don't relax, you can let them be and not stimulate them (by ignoring them.)

Thanks,
I did / read over my script a few times and was able to do it w/o the mp3. I also sensed that the time to relax was quicker than the mp3 (the mp3 is 12+ mins).

I'll work on the mental hands / mental hands chakra.

I just need to memorize the chakras.

Again thanks.

[luffy28]

I've been trying the point shift exercise I designed for myself. It's based on the version 1 from 1994 and now I've been having more psychic feelings. When I try to do the exercise I feel like there's a mini-me inside of my central head. Also it feels like I'm in a different place. All of the above two happen at the same time. I can't describe it in pure words a lot (I can mostly describe most of it).

Is this a half-obe?

Thanks.

[luffy28]

This is the technique from the treatise on ap from Robert Bruce

YO-YO OOBE Technique:

The whole point of any OOBE technique is to exteriorize bodily awareness outside
of the physical body to trigger the projection reflex quickly, whilst the projector
remains mentally awake. This, apparently simple, awareness action can, however,
be extremely difficult for most people to maintain for more than a couple of
seconds. If this is done only briefly, however, over and over and rhythmically, for
long enough, it will also have the effect of triggering the projection reflex.
Following is the outline of a new technique I call YOYO. I have used this myself
and it seems to have almost as many good points as the Rope technique, but most
people find YOYO much easier. This method is a good alternative if you are
having trouble with ROPE. This can also be used as a good preparatory exercise
for an OOBE attempt. It helps 'loosen up' the projectable double, even if another
technique is to be used for the actual exit.

1. Get yourself into a deeply relaxed state, or into the trance state if possible, as
you normally would prepare for using an OOBE technique.

2. Pick a target on the ceiling above your bed, or on the wall if using a chair.
This can be a light fitting or picture (anything) or you can tape a small paper
target up above you.

3. Stand on a chair (careful not to fall) and get the feel of what it is like to have
your face up close to the target. Feel the changed spatial coordinates. Feel
what this new position (up next to the target) feels like from there. Feel
where the floor and bed and furniture and windows and doors are now.
Memorise what it 'feels' like to be in this position, up close to your target.

4. Instead of using ROPE, shift your awareness out of your body and push it
right up next to the target, as if target were right next to your face. Imagine
and 'feel' yourself being at the target, right up close to it. Hold your
awareness there for one second only and then pull your point of awareness
back to your body. Feel yourself move right up to the target and, briefly, feel
your spatial coordinates in the room change as your bodily awareness
changes location. Feel the room move around you, briefly, as you fly up to
the target and back to your body. Feel the room change back to normal when
you pull your centre of awareness back to your body.

5. Bounce your awareness back and forth between the target and your body at
roughly one second intervals (whatever feels most natural). Try and develop
a natural rhythm, in and out, in and out, over and over.

6. When you get used to using this technique, extend your time at the target
slightly, just a little bit longer. Always keep this time short enough to be
comfortable and achievable so you can do it repeatedly, over and over, with
ease. This takes concentration but is quite easy when you get the hang of it.


7. Keep this up and it will trigger the projection reflex just like ROPE.

8. Vary this technique as you see fit, with other OOBE techniques like ROPE,
or rolling out of your body, or feeling yourself floating out of body, point
shift, etc. You may, for example, trigger the projectable state, feeling
vibrations, etc, using YOYO and find it easier to finish off the exit using
ROPE, or by rolling out of your body, or with another favourite method.

I don't understand 3,4 and 5.

May someone please interpretate their own meaning for me in an easy way?

Thanks.