CERN -- what are your thoughts, impressions, and insights?

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I am curious if anyone out there has been thinking about, 'visiting', or seeking knowledge / wisdom about the large hadron collider, aka: CERN.

As a lay person, it's quite difficult to understand the potential risks and benefits. 99% of what I find online is one of two things:

A) Incredible conspiracy theories, that CERN is looking to open up a portal to a demonic demsion, and destroy god, etc.

B) Completely non-investigative press release re-prints.

Anyone out there have something to share?

[MooSaysTheCat]

Only thing I know about that is that it is a plot point in one of the best (if not THE best)time travel anime ever.
If you have free time and are into Japanese animation or if you are simply bored I highly recommend this show!
The title is "StainsGate" just google it or something it's easy to find.

Okay
Now that I have said all that....research...do you mean like, look it up in the akashic records or something?
I don't know maybe somebody could do that, I don't know how it works .

One thing I do know is that it strange that there have not been any news regarding such a big experiment in so long.

[ButterflyWoman]

I am curious if anyone out there has been thinking about, 'visiting', or seeking knowledge / wisdom about the large hadron collider, aka: CERN.
Unless you can interpret physics data, there's not going to be a lot you can do with any information you'd get, IMHO.


A) Incredible conspiracy theories, that CERN is looking to open up a portal to a demonic demsion, and destroy god, etc.
I'm going to have to restrain my eye-rolling sarcasm here (not directed at you, but at the incredibly bizarre and supremely stupid conspiracy theories that are out there), and just say, "Conspiracy theorists gonna theorise. Whatcha gonna do?" In other words, people make up crap about all sorts of things.


B) Completely non-investigative press release re-prints.
First off, you can visit if you go to Switzerland. It's not top secret or anything. Secondly, the main risk with it is that it cost a crapload of money and they had a serious accident with the coolant, though nobody was hurt. Nothing else about it is even that interesting, IMHO. They whizz stuff around super fast, trying to create a rare event so they can get data from it to study to try to figure things out about the (apparent) laws of the material universe. Scientists are, generally speaking, ordinary and boring. I'm pretty sure none of them thought, "Hey, wait, let's build a thing to summon demons and maybe destroy God! Yeah!"

I shall link you to a website I've always found amusing (and still do): Has the Large Hadron Collider Destroyed the World Yet?

http://hasthelargehadroncolliderdestroyedtheworldyet.com/

:)

Also do note that there are other hadron colliders, some of them quite large. So this scientific tool isn't even unique. You don't see many of the other ones featuring in that many conspiracy theories because they're not as well known and don't get as much press, and they're not the biggest in the world.

EDIT: The Wikipedia page isn't too bad:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_Hadron_Collider

[CFTraveler]

Yep. About the most interesting thing they can do with it is to make a mini black hole (doubt they can, particles need mass to produce black holes, and hadron colliders, well, they smash stuff). Anyway, what they're trying to do now is, now that they discovered that Higgs bosons do indeed exist, (They exist! They exist! Yipee!) they want to figure out how much mass they can get, since the math didn't predict it.
In other words, boring, if you're not a nerd like me.

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Thanks for your input everyone.

Although I am not well versed in anime, I will check out stainsgate -- thanks for the recommendation.

And yes, I was did have a trip to the Akashic records in mind, but that is also outside of my current abilities.

The math and physics involved would also be waaayyy out of my reach, which is frankly one of the reasons I was thinking a trip to the Akashic our conversation with a spirit guide could be helpful.

The conspiracy videos were definitely eyeroll inducers. Nearly comically so. Some conspiracy theory stuff stacks up, but most of what was said was just grasping straws. There were a few things that seemed like they had some potential validity though.

I am up to speed with the other colliders ( bad pun ;) ), the higgs boson, etc. I guess what struck me (I guess there are more bad puns here than I imagined!) about this latest test is the level of energy, creation of black holes, and most importantly the "contact" with other dimensions (I am guessing this is just deduced from lost gravity?, where gravity leakage is evidence of such dimensions existing -- I am making a not-so-educated guess here).

Perhaps the focus on other dimensions is being ♥♥♥♥♥ed up to justify the expense and help make science sound cool to lay people. But as soon as I read about that aspect of this latest test, I set about starting conversations here and elsewhere. As a community of seekers and 'travelers' this forum was top of my list!

[MooSaysTheCat]

Perhaps the focus on other dimensions is being ♥♥♥♥♥ed up to justify the expense and help make science sound cool to lay people. But as soon as I read about that aspect of this latest test, I set about starting conversations here and elsewhere. As a community of seekers and 'travelers' this forum was top of my list!

Top of the list and what did you get....a nerd and an anime recommendation haha

[ButterflyWoman]

Top of the list and what did you get....a nerd and an anime recommendation haha
:D ;)

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The LHC may have caused the Nepal earthquake...

http://anonhq.com/did-the-collider-at-cern-cause-the-nepal-earthquakes/

I really wish I could be looking into theae things in the Akashic

[ButterflyWoman]

That article is amazingly poorly written. I can't say any more. I'll sound extremely rude, and I don't want to be. Suffice it to say correlation does not equal causation.

[DerFürst]

A particle collider would not have the means to cause an earthquake. The THC's function is to accelerate tiny particles at high speeds and smash them together to test physics theories. However, CERN does definitely have occult leanings in their philosophies. This is apparent in triple 6 symbolism of their logo, however, that number is far older and has had several different meanings before Christianity made it mean "the devil." Symbolic meanings change when they're interpreted by different people, remember that. Also, they have a statue of Shiva outside their building. My guess is they're comparing their work to a cosmic dance.

Many conspiracies are true, but they usually involve playing complex mind-games with the public to make them draw false conclusions. They usually end up being too intricate and not sensationalistic enough to gain people's attention, but they are the ones people should be focused on most. What's more interesting: a conspiracy involving rich bankers using legal loopholes they created in order to scam a government's treasury into perpetual debt, or a secret government plan to initiate doomsday by opening a wormhole for aliens from another dimension to come and conquer Earth?

This will sound strange at first, even to an open minded person, but bear with me. There are people out there who pretend to be on the side of truth by "exposing" conspiracies, but are in actuality working for the benefit of the conspirators themselves. They do this by purposefully spreading sensationalistic disinformation to make people feel scared and helpless, to throw people off track so they don't investigate real conspiracies, and to perpetuate the "crazy conspiracy theorist" meme. To call a spade a spade, these people are "shills." They almost always do this for money. Some are being directly payed, while others know if they say certain things, they'll be successful, even if they don't entirely know why or by who.

This "CERN will open a wormhole into another dimension and release demons and destroy the universe" meme is another sensationalistic fantasy. However, it's part of a different meme that's much older, which is the biblical "day of judgement." Perhaps the real conspiracy at play is to make you believe in a false doomsday event.

[ButterflyWoman]

Many conspiracies are true, but they usually involve playing complex mind-games with the public to make them draw false conclusions. They usually end up being too intricate and not sensationalistic enough to gain people's attention, but they are the ones people should be focused on most. What's more interesting: a conspiracy about rich bankers using legal loopholes to scam a government's treasury into perpetual debt to them, or a secret government plan to initiate doomsday by opening a wormhole for aliens from another dimension coming to conquer Earth?
DerFürst, thanks for that. I've been puzzling over the abundance of conspiracy theories, mundane and bizarre and everything in between, for a long time. What you wrote there finally made click for me. This makes sense.

Using wild stories to distract and befuddle and confound the public (which is why there are so many conspiracy theories that conflict or collide; more distraction) so while people are looking "over there at that thing" they are NOT looking where they shouldn't be. Misdirection is a trick as old as humanity. The media are experts at it, and so are multinational corporations and various other groups (including, in many cases, governments, or at least, some parts of some governments). Create fear of all kinds, in every sort of flavour, style, and fashion... It's like filling up a room with white noise and random language sounds to mask an actual conversation.

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Did you watch the source video? Apparently, CERN dumped a massive amount of electrical energy into the earth at the very moment the earthquake happened. The video describes the amount of electricity as roughly equivalent to a quarter of what the entire planet pulls on average.

As to your point about correlation not equalling causation, I've been looking around and another potential series of events is the reverse -- that the earthquake caused the energy dump. However, im not too sure on that. The waves from an earthquake in Nepal would certainly be delayed in reaching CERN, but I'm not sure if the same would be true for something happening at CERN 'reaching' Nepal. Am I off in thinking thats possible given the spooky behavior at a distance expressed by subatomic particles?

[ButterflyWoman]

I'm not going to argue. No, I did not watch the video. I have never been one to subscribe to conspiracy theories. And even if it were 100% true (which I absolutely do not believe it is), what could I do about it? Nothing.

[-asalantu-]

To me conspiracies theories are brainstorming activities.

Rephrasing previous idea, imagine there are a science fiction writer in search of arguments for a new novel or a psicology researcher interested in "myth growth". The two cases (and may be others) are equally legitimal.

The most successful was that related to "2012 mayan event."

My best regards,
Ángel

[CFTraveler]

Just the other day I saw a scientific article showing how much more energetic particles we get from space than we could ever get from CERN. If I find it I'll post it. CERN is nothing compared to the nearby stars who expel cosmic rays upon us.

[Energize]

Wow, interesting stuff!

MooSaysTheCat...I love anime haha! I've watched most of the Studio Ghibli movies with my sons, and recently my eldest son invited me into some anime series which we watch together and have been good fun. I'll look into StainsGate with him.

About 10 years ago I suddenly became aware of conspiracy theories. I dove in very deeply into the ocean of them. It certainly opened my eyes to many things I was previously unaware of, and has broadened my knowledge and interests considerably.

However, after swallowing theories like a starving man at a pizza eating competition, I hit the brakes a bit. I came to a number of conclusions. I realised that there were so many hacks, hoaxers and shills (as DerFürst pointed out), that I couldn't waste my time. I'm more discerning (disCERNing? haha!) now. I still keep my ear to the ground and I'm a more aware person for it, and I find many of the theories very interesting.

While I am concerned at many of the stories floating around out there, I realised I couldn't live my life in a state of fear. At the same time, being aware of possible goings on is one of the best ways of avoiding a state of ignorance, individually and collectively. Ah the internet...it's a double-edges sword eh?

[CFTraveler]

http://home.web.cern.ch/about/physics/cosmic-rays-particles-outer-space
I found the article, pretty sure this one was it.

[Tigre]

http://home.web.cern.ch/about/physics/cosmic-rays-particles-outer-space
I found the article, pretty sure this one was it.

Here is another article stating the creation of mini black holes and CERN's intention to make contact with a parallel universe and leak gravity into it. Sounds pretty surrealistic for me.

Apparently next week they will push the accelerator to its limits!! :shock:

http://www.disclose.tv/news/scientists_at_large_hadron_collider_hope_to_make_c ontact_with_parallel_universe_in_days/118123?utm_content=buffer2df0c&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer

[CFTraveler]

8) Cool.:clap: