Keep falling into Lucid Dream instead...

[Ashleo]

Hi guys make you can help me. I get completely relaxed and as soon as I feel any type of exit symptoms I just going to a lucid dream I'm standing in a room somewhere or just other place made up in my mind and I know I'm dreaming and I can't seem to have the out of body experience that I'm wanting because I just end up in some random scene somewhere

[CFTraveler]

You're going straight into the astral realm (LD) instead of the real time zone. When you're there, try to think of your body and when you feel it, see if you get vibrations, and then do an exit technique.
This happens to some, they just skip the RTZ for some reason.

[Ashleo]

I see...yeah it keeps confusing me. Everything gets really loud in my ears and then I'm dreaming but I think to myself that I know I'm dreaming and get frustrated. So do I think of my body sleeping and hope I just kinda pop out there lol or think of my dream body and say hey this is the wrong place and imagine myself lol. What would be the best exit technique if I'm already kind of out in a sense?

[CFTraveler]

No, you don't think of your dream body, you think of your physical body, wait for vibes, and then use an exit method. If you get vibrations try the rope method, it's what works for me.
You don't need an exit method if you're already in the astral, you can just fly away to another realm, or go back to your physical body.
When you are in the astral you're not using an etheric body, you've already gotten rid of that, so you need to go back to body, manifest the etheric (realtime) body by maintaining awareness while in it, and exiting into the real time zone.

[Rimbecano]

The same things happen to me. For a long time I was hung-up on how to know if an experience was a LD or an AP, and whether it was a "real" external phenomenon or an internal one created by my own dreaming mind. But now I think the differences are ultimately just semantical; when I go straight from being awake to a "different" environment WITH exit symptoms, I think of this as an AP directly to the astral planes, skipping the RTZ. When this happens WITHOUT exit symptoms, I think of this as a WILD (Wake-induced lucid dream). With these, I do feel a slight falling or dropping sensation right at the transition.

My favorite experiences and the ones that I find the most fruitful at my current level of development are actually these APs with exit symptoms. Some day, I would like to master exploration of the RTZ, but at present my RTZ experiences have such heavy reality fluctuations (often nightmare-ish ones) that I don't see much value in "exploring" if I can't tell whats real and whats not.

[CFTraveler]

The same things happen to me. For a long time I was hung-up on how to know if an experience was a LD or an AP, and whether it was a "real" external phenomenon or an internal one created by my own dreaming mind. But now I think the differences are ultimately just semantical; when I go straight from being awake to a "different" environment WITH exit symptoms, I think of this as an AP directly to the astral planes, skipping the RTZ. When this happens WITHOUT exit symptoms, I think of this as a WILD (Wake-induced lucid dream). With these, I do feel a slight falling or dropping sensation right at the transition.


It's what some of us call 'phasing'.