Audio Podcast mp3

[CFTraveler]

It's very long (2 1/2 hours long) but if you have the time, listen to the whole thing. It's fascinating.
http://media61.podbean.com/pb/e69228d5b21685ae53ab42a7c36a873b/531506d9/data2/blogs18/284744/uploads/RICHdolanMAR2014.mp3