why religious experiences take so long?

[Bram]

just a question to understand it more. if anyone can help?

this link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0Ns3D6Tpfs is a clip of a jewish NDE. its completely religious and it takes really long.

now when i read the work of Micheal Newton he has no stories about religious figures and stories like this as far as i know.

my question is, why is the NDE so different from the past life regression of Newton and why does it take so long before the religious NDE experiencer wakes up from his religious experience and gets the real objective experience of the God one ness? like the classic typical experience and gets to see his soulgroup again in stead of religious figures etc?

grts Bram

[Sinera]

The answer could be that they first go to their BST if their faith is so strong and their Belief System so fixed. I've read quite a few accounts and don't believe that all religious NDEs last long and non-religious or 'mixed' NDEs last short. Truly religious NDEs are also a minority among NDE reports.

R. Monroe experienced and wrote a lot about BSTs:

Focus 25: the Belief System territories where those who have exited the physical are residing in a particular belief system
Source: http://www.monroeinstitute.org/programs/lifeline

After a while however, you 'fall through the cracks' as Monroe put it, or you get somehow new information by some teachers and guides who expand their horizon so to speak. (There's more than one heaven in heaven ;) ).

Here's an interesting account by Kurt Leland on how they are first even re-confirmed and made comfortable in their beliefs but also being opened up to new possibilties:


This teaching usually begins from their spiritual and religious beliefs, affirming them. It then seeks to expand these beliefs, moving beyond dogmatism to a perspective that will make it easier for them to understand what’s expected of them at later stages of the afterdeath journey. Seeds are planted even for the understanding of the mental plane heavens, especially when those stages may not be described within the context of a Shade’s religion.

"That’s what you see going on down there. A small collection of the Roman Catholic faithful are being appealed to by a Facilitator in the guise of teacher. This Teacher appears as a priest because such an individual is a recognized authority within that religion. (...) he’s clearly not at home in the religion he describes. His own spiritual views and understandings are broader, being those of an advanced soul who sees the structure of the Afterdeath Zone as Facilitators do."

Source: http://www.kurtleland.com/astral-projection-log/2010/200-the-upper-three-subplanes-of-the-astral-plane

If their Belief System is too 'hellish' or they got lost in it, they become subject to retrievals, also by projectors (see Lifeline program above).

By the way. I just discovered this YT channel. Pretty cool methinks.

http://www.youtube.com/user/NDEaccounts/videos

:cool:

[CFTraveler]

Yes. It's really simple. The more layers of 'learned' vs. experiential information there are, the longer it takes to get to it, especially if the 'learned' information goes counter to the experiential information. You have to peel away at the onion to get to the center, metaphorically speaking.

[Osiris]

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