What IS their business anyway?

[eyeoneblack]

I've often wondered why dream people don't marvel when I'm flying around? It doesn't seem to be surprising, but none of them are flying. They stay on the ground. I soar up and over and they just go about their business!
I've had maybe a hundred people in a dream but I never meet anybody else flying. These people just do what they do. What are they DOING? They're just like 'extras' in a movie. I mean, if I'm flying; that's pretty remarkable! but they just muddle on.
I don't know, I've always been a little curious about this. :mrgreen:

[CFTraveler]

I have the same experience. I sometimes tell them they can, and they simply shrug and go about their own business.

[Eyeswideopen]

I was in the astral somewhere, I flew up and got into the plane where it's all stars and not much else but I kept asking/shouting for astral flyers and I saw some. I can't remember talking to them though as I was still flying too fast.

[Sinera]

maybe non-lucid dreamers who could not be bothered by lucid flyers?

i once got lucid in a class and tried to 'wake up' a class mate, but she told me to leave her alone, as said, they can't be bothered

[eyeoneblack]

I'm thinkin' about the data-processing power it must take to produce a lucid dream. I wonder if the 'quantum' computer could even do it. The characters, the buildings, the landscape and ever changing reality. Blows my mind! What a thing we are!!!!!

[CFTraveler]

I've thought about it more since the first post- if they are self characters, then it would follow that they'd know they can fly, and why wouldn't they want to? So if it's other projectors maybe they're not lucid enough to think critically. It's interesting, because sometimes my dcs know what's going on, but most of the time they don't seem to.
Kinda points to them not being self aspects, or at least not lucid ones. Even window dressing though, I'd assume they'd just blindly imitate me, and they don't, they seem to genuinely 'not get it'.
Hmmm.

[eyeoneblack]

I've thought about it more since the first post- if they are self characters, then it would follow that they'd know they can fly, and why wouldn't they want to? So if it's other projectors maybe they're not lucid enough to think critically. It's interesting, because sometimes my dcs know what's going on, but most of the time they don't seem to.
Kinda points to them not being self aspects, or at least not lucid ones. Even window dressing though, I'd assume they'd just blindly imitate me, and they don't, they seem to genuinely 'not get it'.
Hmmm.

Yes C. THOSE are the sort of questions I'm thinking of. This morning I 'created' a most beautiful, colorful creature with the head of a rodent but the rest of the body insect or bird-like. It would wrap up in its wings to hide. I asked my ex to be real still so she could see it unfold and fly, but she was figetey and I got upset with her for spoiling the show.

Just amazing, that's all!!! I got to know a very young couple - he had to move home, and she had no place to go. They were being evicted. They were cute and I liked them - they had piercings like kids do today. I wanted to help, but didn't quite know how.

But my point is, I was 'engaged' with them and the creature - they were'nt extras, but players in the dream which told a story. I never cease to be facinated by the phenomenon of dreaming.

I copied this to my dream journal for further thoughts...

[Dreamweaver]

Maybe, the characters in our dreams - lucid dreams or not - could be ego projections in a Jungian sense. Or aspects of persona, or shadow? In any event, how can we discern if a dream character is someone/something not of our Self or not?

[eyeoneblack]

Maybe, the characters in our dreams - lucid dreams or not - could be ego projections in a Jungian sense. Or aspects of persona, or shadow? In any event, how can we discern if a dream character is someone/something not of our Self or not?
Well put. Like the dream I posted above, I understand the Jungian projection of dream characters. But I remember a dream where I was flying over a city, downtown full of people and to a neighborhood where people were walking the streets. I noticed a figure in an overcoat and hat and swooped down to have a look at him. He had an iqauna face. We looked at each other and he just kept on walking.
I wonder here if there are actual astral 'places and people' that exist independently of the Jungian dream - maybe on a shared or communal psyche?

[Paul H.]

I've often wondered why dream people don't marvel when I'm flying around? It doesn't seem to be surprising, but none of them are flying. They stay on the ground. I soar up and over and they just go about their business!
I've had maybe a hundred people in a dream but I never meet anybody else flying. These people just do what they do. What are they DOING? They're just like 'extras' in a movie. I mean, if I'm flying; that's pretty remarkable! but they just muddle on.
I don't know, I've always been a little curious about this. :mrgreen:

They might not be able to fly even if they wanted to. Could this be because they don't think they could fly? Or maybe because their astral bodies' vibrations are too low or are depleted of astral energy?

[Dreamweaver]

Interesting :-). There's been times I have had dreams - lucid ones especially, that the behavior of characters or appearence if or actions of things were inexplicable to me, beyond my experience and understanding, or had the quality of other intelligence. Usually though those have occurred in real time - I think that's what its called anyway...


I have a tendency to believe Jung was an experienced mystic who was trying to make his understanding of spiritual reality politically correct for his time.

[eyeoneblack]

Interesting :-). There's been times I have had dreams - lucid ones especially, that the behavior of characters or appearence if or actions of things were inexplicable to me, beyond my experience and understanding, or had the quality of other intelligence. Usually though those have occurred in real time - I think that's what its called anyway...


I have a tendency to believe Jung was an experienced mystic who was trying to make his understanding of spiritual reality politically correct for his time.

Yes and yes! I think you understand exactly what I'm thinking! Jung was like Monroe, Bulhman, Bruce, Leland, Zwie (sp) on steroieds. But he had another layer to him. Truly a mystic.

[eyeoneblack]

Okay, I think I've solved it - at least to my own satisfaction. There is a 'collective unconscious’ (is that not the way Jung put it?). When we are lucid dreaming we are in that space or realm. The many ‘extras’ we observe are the unconscious multitudes in that plane of unconsciousness - I would guess it’s astral plane 3. As was said, they’re not conscious; only we, the dreamer/projector are.

So often I feel IRL the same way - conscious among the unconscious. Or maybe unconscious among the conscious. Flip the coin, I don’t care.

That's why I'm eyeoneblack haha....

[CFTraveler]

There is a 'collective unconscious’ (is that not the way Jung put it?). Yes, yes he did. And a Superconscious. And all that good stuff. ;)

[eyeoneblack]

Yes, yes he did. And a Superconscious. And all that good stuff. ;)

I Sw2God I read everything Jung wrote and I do not recall any mention of a "superconscious"? Is that inferred by another author?

Not saying you're wrong. Just surprised I don't remember something so significant!
Oh, forget it. My Jung is REALLY rusty :(

[CFTraveler]

It's been a while since I read Jung too, but I'm sure it can be looked up.
It may have been inferred with other metaphysical authors, in that they may have renamed the collective unconscious 'superconscious'. But I'm not sure. I vaguely recall that both Freud and Jung posited a superconscious mind but Freud poo-poohed it, but it's been too long for me to remember clearly.
http://askville.amazon.com/difference-subconscious-mind-superconscious/AnswerViewer.do?requestId=7544200

[eyeoneblack]

it's been too long for me to remember clearly.


Same here :)

[Dreamweaver]

Superconscious is like higher self consciousness.

[CFTraveler]

Superconscious is like higher self consciousness. Yep.