HYLOZOICS: Warning: Upsetting material

[sono2]

I have found the material this site to be very valuable:

http://www.hylozoik.se/english/english.htm

[CFTraveler]

Awesome! Thanks.

[PauliEffect]

Maybe you should be aware that he is highly controversial in Sweden (http://www.vof.se/visa-hammer-profeter), for example:

"Men han nämner inte att översättningen gjorts av Lars Adelskogh som leder den teosofiska, antisemitiska sekten "Institutet för hylozoiska studier" i Skövde. Inte heller att Adelskogh är chefredaktör för den antisemitiska new age-tidskriften Nexus med tydliga kopplingar till amerikansk extremhöger."

(In English: "But he does not mention that the translation is made ​​by Lars Adelskogh, leading theosophical, anti-Semitic sect "Institute for hylozoic studies" in Skövde.
Neither that Adelskogh is editor of the anti-Semitic New Age magazine Nexus with clear links to the American extreme right.")

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He has also written a book where he denies the Holocaust (http://www.hagglundsforlag.se/forfattaredok/Adelskogh/En%20tom%20sack.htm), title is ->

En tom säck kan inte stå – Myten om "förintelsen" i gaskamrarna i Auschwitz

(Title translates to something like: An empty sack can't stand - the Myth about the "holocaust" gas chambers in Auschwitz)

[IA56]

Maybe you should be aware that he is highly controversial in Sweden (http://www.vof.se/visa-hammer-profeter), for example:

"Men han nämner inte att översättningen gjorts av Lars Adelskogh som leder den teosofiska, antisemitiska sekten "Institutet för hylozoiska studier" i Skövde. Inte heller att Adelskogh är chefredaktör för den antisemitiska new age-tidskriften Nexus med tydliga kopplingar till amerikansk extremhöger."

(In English: "But he does not mention that the translation is made ​​by Lars Adelskogh, leading theosophical, anti-Semitic sect "Institute for hylozoic studies" in Skövde.
Neither that Adelskogh is editor of the anti-Semitic New Age magazine Nexus with clear links to the American extreme right.")

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He has also written a book where he denies the Holocaust (http://www.hagglundsforlag.se/forfattaredok/Adelskogh/En%20tom%20sack.htm), title is ->

En tom säck kan inte stå – Myten om "förintelsen" i gaskamrarna i Auschwitz

(Title translates to something like: An empty sack can't stand - the Myth about the "holocaust" gas chambers in Auschwitz)

I do understand that Lars Adelskog did write the book to revele them whom he call "revisionisterna" who tries to say that holocaust did not exist....how their arguments goes...I am sorry if I missunderstand and you Paulieffect are right, but I have not read the book, but from this introduction to his book the emty sack....is where he reveles these who want to say the holocaust did not exist.....and that he is reveling the lie what the revisionistena want to spread as a truth....please correct me if I am wrong...

[CFTraveler]

I see what you're saying. Holy Moly.
Or, eek!

[Sinera]

Been also on this site a while ago. Intersting for sure. And isn't this about Henry T. Laurency? Adelskogh is just the translator (so I assume he will not have edited something). The esoteric work thus stands for itself and is by another author.

[PauliEffect]

I do understand that Lars Adelskog did write the book to revele them whom he call "revisionisterna" who tries to say that holocaust did not exist....how their arguments goes...I am sorry if I missunderstand and you Paulieffect are right, but I have not read the book, but from this introduction to his book the emty sack....is where he reveles these who want to say the holocaust did not exist.....and that he is reveling the lie what the revisionistena want to spread as a truth....please correct me if I am wrong...
I'm afraid that the opposite is in effect. My impression is that Adelskogh says that the Holocaust is
fake, and in Swedish Wikipedia he is called a "förintelserevisionist" (http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lars_Adelskogh). You can also read that Adelskogh
had to quit from "Axevalla folkhögskola" since Göteborgs-Posten noticed his article with the title:
"Is EU a Jew thing?"

You can read something about his book in Swedish Metapedia, a white-power web site (http://sv.metapedia.org/w/En_tom_s%C3%A4ck_kan_inte_st%C3%A5), where his
book is mentioned. But be sure to also read what Wikipedia writes about Metapedia (http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metapedia).

[IA56]

HUH...it is a chatastrof...This evilness makes me sick.

[sono2]

EEEEEK, I did NOT know this! I have just read the first free e-book & found it much clearer than Theosophy, thought I was on to something great.

Thanks for the clarification, & just to be clear: I do not support ANY form of nationalism, isolationism, racism, or speciesism.

It seems so odd, as he clearly speaks out for unity of all. . . .& for eg., here he refers to the tyranny that would have resulted had Hitler been able to carry out his plans (marked with a 7):
http://www.laurency.com/KVe/kr3.pdf

I am clearly going to have to do some more research into this man & will post updates if I find anything of value. Can anyone point to exact passages where he makes anti-semitic remarks, please?

[Sinera]

I am clearly going to have to do some more research into this man & will post updates if I find anything of value. Can anyone point to exact passages where he makes anti-semitic remarks, please?
Again my point from above: Pauli referred ONLY to the translator, the works translated is another author also from another time. I would assume they both are not connected because the translations from Swedish into English occurred obviously long after the death of Mr Laurency. So it is a kind of "takeover" or appropriation. If for example Gandhi's writings (if he had some) would later have been translated by a Nazi into English, would you then start to blame Gandhi? You cannot blame the late Mr Laurency for it unless we find sth of clearly racist or whatever content in his work itself (and then - in all fairness to the late author - we would still need to find out by comparison with the Swedish original if the "nazi" translator possibly interpreted and edited it according to his worldview).

[PauliEffect]

Maybe... Just maybe I would do at least something to check the correctness of a translation.

[Sinera]

Maybe... Just maybe I would do at least something to check the correctness of a translation.
I doubt that babelfish or googletranslate might do the job sufficiently, however there might be Swedish courses offered even online, so let's enrol everybody for a course and meet here again after a few years of training and do the comparison then together, line by line, paragraph by paragraph, chapter by chapter, article by article, book by book
:mrgreen:

[PauliEffect]

I was not thinking on my own personal one-liner translations. :)

[IA56]

I have emailed Lars Adelskog and he have given me a link to read his book free online, I will do that, and make up my own mind what is his message....

[IA56]

I have now read the book of Lars Adelskog...OMG!!..This is a very good book where you can see the uggliness of our world...How propaganda is used so the truth is in no way to be discovered....
Lars is only giving all the detalies from other material such as from trials and from investigatins of arkeolog diggins..he have put to geather all kind of evidence for all to see for them selfs...that the way the holocost is said to be happened is not possible when looking at the evidences.....
I my oppinion Lars have done very hard work to put togeather all this, and the question in my mind is raised ...what did happen...the obvious is that something very very horrible did take place, and in my feeling much more horrible than that the people was "gased" to death...I think something much much more wors did happend...and it is made in such confusious way that the truth will never be reveled.....I do cry from my deepest depts....WHY are humans this cruel???...When does it change??..What must be done that all and everyone will develope more love and compassion and empathy instead of hate???

OMG!!..Please help us NOW!!!!

[Sinera]

how can anything get "more" horrible? what is more horrible than organised mass murder?

[IA56]

how can anything get "more" horrible? what is more horrible than organised mass murder?

To not tell the truth of how it all happened, that is so horrible to lie and temper with evidence, or haft to temper with evidence when the real evidence is destroyed....so that no-one ever will know the whole truth...this is so horrible and because of this mass murder can happen infront of our eyes....!!

[Sinera]

There were also a lot of human experiments of all kinds with the victims. Is that what you mean?

[PauliEffect]

There are several problems with Adelskoghs book. His sources are sometimes well
known Holocaust-deniers, like the American Frederick Leuchter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leuchter) (jawohl!), an expert
in execution technology.

Frederick Leuchter has had a successful business in selling equipment to execute people
in American prisons. He claims that his equipment has proven to be very reliable.

Leuchter also claims that his execution equipment is very "humanitarian". One opponent
says that Leuchter's execution equipment doesn't immediately kill the convicted murder,
but the death-injection just paralyzes the prison victim in terror for several minutes
and prevents the murder from screaming before death occurs.

F Leuchter has also written the so called Leuchter-report which denies the gas chambers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leuchter_report).

Adelskogh refers to the so called Leuchter-report, which claims that there was no gassing
in the gas chambers by chemical analysis. What Adelskogh doesn't mention in his book, is
that Leuchter made the chemical analysis several years after the Holocaust on a gas chamber
which was a replica, meaning that it wasn't built until after the World War II. *ding*

[IA56]

Yes that was what I clearly did understand from Adelskogs book, that the evidence where falsited with, just to give the idea of that there where never a gas murderer...and that it is possible with falsly evidence create what you want, when the real evidences are destroyed, people are payed off to say things what is not true.....so when I read the book the full picture of our world did bee clearly seen....We are poorly protected by law when evidens can be created falsly, people lie, and so forth....

I am in shame to be part of this kind of humantiy.

[IA56]

There were also a lot of human experiments of all kinds with the victims. Is that what you mean?

Yes I am sure it is what also did happend....crying.

[Sinera]

Yes that was what I clearly did understand from Adelskogs book, that the evidence where falsited with, just to give the idea of that there where never a gas murderer...
still confusing, so he is not a holocaust denier and rather argues against the ones denying the gas chambers were used for mass murder? but what exactly is so NEW about all this then making you cry now since these are all facts also of the official versions we are taught about history? or is it you've never heard about the concentration camps and holocaust before?

[PauliEffect]

...and that it is possible with falsly evidence create what you want, when the real evidences are destroyed, people are payed off to say things what is not true...

Well, ze Nazis put in some effort to blow up the gas chambers before the Allied forces
entered the concentration camps. What we could ask us is why the Nazis put effort
into destroying some of those gas chambers if they only were "shower houses" or
"living quarters"?

Several photos of the buildings were preserved though (taken by the Nazis themselves)
and anyone could ask why in the world those buildings needed to have such tall
chimneys, while regular buildings only have chimneys on the top of 1 meter high?

The Swedish Skalman site (http://forum.skalman.nu/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=12909&start=15) (with sketches and descriptions in Swedish if you scroll down)
Ruins of Krema IV (http://www.scrapbookpages.com/AuschwitzScrapbook/Tour/Birkenau/RuinsIV.html) (actually destroyed by the concentration camp inmates, not by the Nazis)
One French Site (http://deuxiemeguerremondia.forumactif.com/t12017p30-birkenau-les-lieux-de-gazages) (describing Krema IV, the same building as depicted in Adelskogh's book)

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/auschwitz/images/k4-photo-4301.jpg

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/auschwitz/images/k4-photo-4302.jpg

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/auschwitz/images/Krema4.jpg

[IA56]

still confusing, so he is not a holocaust denier and rather argues against the ones denying the gas chambers were used for mass murder? but what exactly is so NEW about all this then making you cry now since these are all facts also of the official versions we are taught about history? or is it you've never heard about the concentration camps and holocaust before?

yes confusing it is....no he do not deny the holocost but the evidence what he found does say something else and question araises....what did happen and how??
This whole thing is so confusing, I am sure that the test what they took was not from the original buildings and therefore they show wrong evidence, evidence that the gasing couldn´t happend in that buildings....
I cry that will this ever end.....is this a way to keep people looking at wrong direction so the evilness can continue ??

[Sinera]

yes confusing it is....no he do not deny the holocost but the evidence what he found does say something else and question araises....what did happen and how??
This whole thing is so confusing, I am sure that the test what they took was not from the original buildings and therefore they show wrong evidence, evidence that the gasing couldn´t happend in that buildings....
I cry that will this ever end.....is this a way to keep people looking at wrong direction so the evilness can continue ??
Then please don't keep us in the dark any longer. Could you tell us in a few short sentences what his hypothesis is about what "really" might have happened with/in the gas chambers? I'd be interested about his theory now.

[IA56]

Then please don't keep us in the dark any longer. Could you tell us in a few short sentences what his hypothesis is about what "really" might have happened with/in the gas chambers? I'd be interested about his theory now.



It is impossible to tell what happened...massmurder did happen.

Adelskog does believe that Jew´s does use holocost for etnical cleaning in Palestina and for political issues....

For me the book of Adelskog is a very clear evidence how evil humans are...

I did have in 1994 a vision where it was showed to me how the bordes in Gaza did change, I did not dare to look, it continued everytime I opened my eyes but I screemed....I do not want to see, I do not want to know...but as it seams now, I am forced to see...why are you showing me this I asked the vision...what can I do??..I do not know still....


by this conversation.....in 1981 I did connect to the holocost horror....I am not able to forget it ever...

[PauliEffect]

no he do not deny the holocost ...

He does.

At page 85 in his book, he writes:
"Det obeskurna fotografiet ger ett annat intryck. Personerna längst till höger förefaller huka i
skydd bakom det smala föremålet, och soldaten verkar sikta mot ett mål längre i fjärran.
Kvinnan mellan soldaten och gruppen hukande ger ett mycket konstigt intryck. Hennes
kropp (ansikte, hals och ben) befinner sig inte i skugga, medan soldatens gör det, och hennes
huvud är minst 20 procent större än soldatens. Sannolikt är kvinnan senare inlagd i foto-
grafiet."

Translation:
"The uncropped photo gives a different impression. The persons to the far right seem crouching in
protection behind the slim item, and the soldier seems to aim at a target farther in the distance.
The woman between the soldier and the group crouching emits a very strange impression. Her
body (face, neck and legs) are not in the shadow, while the soldier's do, and her
head is at least 20 % bigger than the soldier's. Most likely the woman has been later added to the photo."


The original photo (http://squidhammer.blogspot.se/2008/10/war-shoah.html) looks like this, pay attention to the two additional rifles to the left
and the body at the feet of the soldier (I added the copyright text at the bottom):

http://www.memorialdelashoah.org/upload/minisites/ukraine/images/docu08_l.jpg

German policemen aiming at Jews from Ivangorod who have just finished digging their own graves. 1942. Ivangorod, Ukraine. Photographer unknown. © USHMM, courtesy of Jerzy Tomaszewski. Copyright: agency agreement. All rights reserved. This photograph was found by members of the Polish army (Polish Home Army) inside a letter written by a German soldier. The Polish army kept an eye on post being sent from the East which went through Warsaw's central Post office. Letters and photographs which seemed interesting were copied and sent to the exiled Polish government. The German inscription on the back of the original photograph reads: Ukraine, 1942, Aktion against the Jews, Ivangorod.

[Sinera]

It is impossible to tell what happened...massmurder did happen.
So actually, from your own words, I must conclude that he doesn't tell us in his book anything at all, at least not anything NEW. It's just the known fact that people there were mass murdered, and if not in gas chambers then probably shot (there were definitely mass shootings before they had built the camps/chambers), or tortured or starved to death - in the end, does it matter "how" they were killed? The atrocities certainly happened, I think there is enough documentation on this.



Adelskog does believe that Jew´s does use holocost for etnical cleaning in Palestina and for political issues....
This is another controversial issue, certainly highly topic today regarding current world affairs. There are even Jewish people who claim this. E.g. Norman Finkelstein wrote some books about this topic, such as this one (http://www.amazon.com/The-Holocaust-Industry-Reflections-Exploitation/dp/185984488X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1348427613&sr=8-1&keywords=Finkelstein). But he does not deny the holocaust at all, he even lost his own family (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kw7FJ9y8m4M) in concentration camps. He just does not agree with today's policy of the Israeli state, esp. with regard to the Palestinans (haven't read his book, just seen a film with him on Youtube). So it's the same view as Adelskog's on this matter, but he is far form denying the holocaust or being antisemite or nazi, while Adelskog maybe does (if not outrightly denying he's at least downplaying it?).

[PauliEffect]

The picture above, where the Nazi/German police/soldier/Einsatzgruppe "siegheil"/whatever,
aims a rifle in direction of a woman & child, which Adelskogh speculates is fake, can be found
at better resolution of the German Wikipedia (photo - enlargable) (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einsatzgruppen_der_Sicherheitspolizei_und_des_SD).

A short background:
My impression is that it wasn't exaclty clear what was the police and what were actual soliders in
the old Nazi country. The Wikipedia page is titled "Einsatzgruppen der Sicherheitspolizei und des SD",
where SD is short for "Sicherheitsdienst" (Security Service). To me the "police force" seemed to
consist of paramilitary units and death squads, who could do things outside any regular law, like
shooting people on the streets.

Anyway, Adelskogh's argumentation is disturbing. He gives very little background to the cropped images
he presents (I had to search the internet to find the source). The pictures Adelskogh presents may
have been altered, as the woman's face seems to have a brighter shade then in the photos I've
found on the net, which may make her head seem bigger, "20 %" as Adelskogh writes.

So I wonder from what source Adelskogh found his cropped photos.

Also, if the soldier is aiming at something in the far distance, it would seem rather dangerous
to allow the woman and crouching persons to be in front of him, which Adelskogh merely
brushes away with stating that the woman has been added to the picture later.

Also, the body at the feet of the soldier isn't mentioned by Adelskogh.

Why the persons to the right are crouching, but the soldier is not taking cover, is not explained
either by Adelskogh. Clearly those persons can't get any "protection" from the slim item at the right.

Further, Adelskogh doesn't explain why there is a spade at the right-most part of the picture.

My impression of Adelskogh's book is that he either refers to other Holocasut deniers (who lies),
speculates without any solid background, igonore facts or presents more lies.

The picture of the "Einstazgruppe soldier" is just one example.

Some other examples are so strange that I can't believe them. Adelskogh for example cites
Holocaust deniers, who claim that there are "no witnesses" of the gassing.

Adelskogh also states that there are no openings in the roof of Krema IV (see my post above
with pictures of the building), to insert poison gas Zyklon B. Well, on several of the "blue prints"
of the Nazis' of Krema IV there are openings at the top walls. The walls of the building seems to
be 6 meter high and I've found various labels like "einwurfladen/einwurfluken/einwurföffnung".

The amount of Holocaust deniers quoted by Adelskogh and his lack of any critical examination,
makes me view him as a Holocaust denier too.

As a side note: Some Holocaust deniers have realized that it is problematic that on some of the
Nazis' blue prints of the building there are mentioned "Zyklon B throw-in-openings", so called
"Zyklon B Einwurföffnung". The Holocaust deniers explain that by saying the Krema IV building
was a "cooling room for food" so it had to be desinfected from time to time by the use of the
"insecticide" Zyklon B. Hmmm... Maybe we should also notice that the name of the building,
"Krema IV" is short for "Crematory 4", which Adelskogh explains away by saying that a lot of
the concentration camp prisoners died a natural death and their bodies had to be removed to
avoid diseases to spread. You believe it?

[IA56]

So actually, from your own words, I must conclude that he doesn't tell us in his book anything at all, at least not anything NEW. It's just the known fact that people there were mass murdered, and if not in gas chambers then probably shot (there were definitely mass shootings before they had built the camps/chambers), or tortured or starved to death - in the end, does it matter "how" they were killed? The atrocities certainly happened, I think there is enough documentation on this.

Yes, I think nothing new, only to point out falsly evidences and I am sure both sides does this, unfortunately, and this makes me so sad about our world that we do anything to collect points and in falsy way try to win ....so sad.


This is another controversial issue, certainly highly topic today regarding current world affairs. There are even Jewish people who claim this. E.g. Norman Finkelstein wrote some books about this topic, such as this one (http://www.amazon.com/The-Holocaust-Industry-Reflections-Exploitation/dp/185984488X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1348427613&sr=8-1&keywords=Finkelstein). But he does not deny the holocaust at all, he even lost his own family (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kw7FJ9y8m4M) in concentration camps. He just does not agree with today's policy of the Israeli state, esp. with regard to the Palestinans (haven't read his book, just seen a film with him on Youtube). So it's the same view as Adelskog's on this matter, but he is far form denying the holocaust or being antisemite or nazi, while Adelskog maybe does (if not outrightly denying he's at least downplaying it?).

I did only use Adelskogs own words what he wrote to me in a email.

Now I have a question and I hope this will not be missunderstood.....Why does Jews want Jerusalem for them selfs...is this some kind of compensation or even Godly promissed??...If Godly promiss...is it sure it is an earthly country??...Why not symbolical...Is it not our drive to become...and practis and live and practis...unconditional LOVE ...be friend with all and each no matter of etchinal backgound or religious point of view??...Stop all kind of war and start to live in peace all groups, why are we in different groups??..I do not understand...we all are humans, right??

[CFTraveler]

Jewish people live in the state of Israel. They either have or don't have the right to exist. The rest is philosophical. If this thread becomes 'about the merits or countermerits of holocaust denial', I will lock it.
Admin warning.

[IA56]

I am sorry to say things badly. Off course E v e r y o n e has right to exist. If some need protection it is the jews, bless them always in all ways.

[CFTraveler]

Let's just stay away from politics and religion, ok?

[IA56]

Absolutly!!

[ButterflyWoman]

IA56, I understand what you're saying. I, too, am very aware of a very large, horrible, extremely painful pool of horror surrounding the concentration camps and what happened in them. It's like a large, unhealed wound in the collective unconscious, and some of us are acutely aware of it. I have been since I was about 12 or 13 (puberty, when I came into many of my non-physical abilities and senses). Like you, I pick up that there were atrocities and horrors committed that are not documented, because the records were destroyed or because they were so unspeakable they were never documented at all. I don't know what they all were. I can guess at some of them, but I prefer not to. The pain and horror of it draws me in too easily.

I can never feel comfortable reading or watching documentaries on WWII because of this. When I get too close to the events, I feel the pain and horror and anguish, and it overwhelms me fairly quickly.

I understand what you're saying, and what you're sensing. I know you're not denying anything, or saying atrocities didn't happen. Rather the opposite. You're tapping in to the pool of horror and sensing that even more atrocities happened than people commonly know. I get it.

As for how people can do this, I don't know. I've never understood it. Some of them probably felt they were doing something that would ultimately be for the greater good (it's sick and twisted, but they probably did think it). Some pretended not to recognise just how horrible it was and made excuses for their own participation (they were "just following orders"). Some were genuinely evil, or psychopathic, or both. I have some deeper thoughts on the matter, and it's nothing that hasn't been said or written before, having to do with the All and the One, but that's a topic for some other thread and some other day.

I just wanted you to know: I understand.

[IA56]

IA56, I understand what you're saying. I, too, am very aware of a very large, horrible, extremely painful pool of horror surrounding the concentration camps and what happened in them. It's like a large, unhealed wound in the collective unconscious, and some of us are acutely aware of it. I have been since I was about 12 or 13 (puberty, when I came into many of my non-physical abilities and senses). Like you, I pick up that there were atrocities and horrors committed that are not documented, because the records were destroyed or because they were so unspeakable they were never documented at all. I don't know what they all were. I can guess at some of them, but I prefer not to. The pain and horror of it draws me in too easily.

I can never feel comfortable reading or watching documentaries on WWII because of this. When I get too close to the events, I feel the pain and horror and anguish, and it overwhelms me fairly quickly.

I understand what you're saying, and what you're sensing. I know you're not denying anything, or saying atrocities didn't happen. Rather the opposite. You're tapping in to the pool of horror and sensing that even more atrocities happened than people commonly know. I get it.

As for how people can do this, I don't know. I've never understood it. Some of them probably felt they were doing something that would ultimately be for the greater good (it's sick and twisted, but they probably did think it). Some pretended not to recognise just how horrible it was and made excuses for their own participation (they were "just following orders"). Some were genuinely evil, or psychopathic, or both. I have some deeper thoughts on the matter, and it's nothing that hasn't been said or written before, having to do with the All and the One, but that's a topic for some other thread and some other day.

I just wanted you to know: I understand.

Bless you.

[sono2]

OK, that makes sense - thank you.