Lying on your back for projection.

[Tarryn]

Hi Everyone

Is it true that you have to lie on your back in order to have an obe? I suffer from Restless leg syndrome and it seems to be worse when lying on my back, is it possible to induce an obe while lying on your side or stomach? Or should I try sitting in a chair? I was going to ask Robert, but am not sure if he has answered a question like this.

Thanks so much

[Sinera]

Is it true that you have to lie on your back in order to have an obe?
No. I know many projectors (from forums) who write that they also are lying on the side or that it does not matter. This includes myself as I am a side-sleeper and cannot lie on my back at all for falling asleep or deep relaxation.
Sitting in a chair (as recommended by RB) would in my view only be sth for very experienced projectors who can induce trance easily and from waking state. It is fine for meditation though, also for me. Just my 2 cents.

[Tarryn]

Thanks Volgerle.

I was told that lying in your normal sleep position will just make you fall asleep quickly, as your mind and body are so conditioned to doing that. I suppose its about mind control?? One more thing is Hypnagogic imagery important for inducing obes?

Thanks

[CFTraveler]

Hi Everyone Hi Tarryn.


Is it true that you have to lie on your back in order to have an obe? No; I don't know who says that.


I suffer from Restless leg syndrome on it seems to be worse when lying on my back, is it possible to induce an obe while lying on your side or stomach? Or should I try sitting in a chair? I was going to ask Robert, but am not sure if he has answered a question like this.

Thanks so much
Robert has talked about this both in Astral Dynamics and MAP. You want to be in a comfortable position, not too comfortable and not too uncomfortable- just enough to enter trance but not so as you fall asleep. It can be in any position, in any direction, in any dress, in any place- a chair (Robert recommends an armchair, I prefer a recliner). Your bed is also acceptable, but if you use it at night when you usually go to sleep, you may cause yourself sleep disturbances. We are creatures of habit and tend to train ourselves to do something. For example, scientists tell you not to watch TV in bed, because bed should be for two things. But if you're the type who can watch TV in bed and read in bed and still get a good night's sleep, go ahead- but realize that since projecting is all about staying awake while your body falls asleep, you may have trouble sleeping when you actually want to.

[CFTraveler]

If you see hypnagogics you are in a good trance to either phase into the astral or to try an exit technique. Most of the time.

[Tarryn]

Thanks CFTraveler

Its a relief to know that lying on your back is not a must. There are quite a few so called obe experts who are adamant that you can only experience hypnagogics while on your back, therefore you can only induce obe while on your back. So glad thst is not the case. Looking forward to trying again tonight now.

Thanks

[SiriusTraveler]

I projected from lying on myside, even if It was in a dream (when I woke up, I was in the same position though). Guess it counts anyway.

[LPCF]

There are quite a few so called obe experts who are adamant that you can only experience hypnagogics while on your back.

Out of interest, which so-called OBE experts, in which books?

[ButterflyWoman]

There are quite a few so called obe experts who are adamant that you can only experience hypnagogics while on your back, therefore you can only induce obe while on your back.
Dogma. Nothing more than dogma. Pfft.

I can't sleep on my back, or even lie on my back for very long, for various reasons. I still experience hypnogogics all the time (I generally trance myself to sleep, and I'm a dedicated side-sleeper). You can be in any position in which you're comfortable; for me that means "not on my back". ;)

[Barry]

Thanks CFTraveler

Its a relief to know that lying on your back is not a must. There are quite a few so called obe experts who are adamant that you can only experience hypnagogics while on your back, therefore you can only induce obe while on your back. So glad thst is not the case. Looking forward to trying again tonight now.

Thanks


I actually always thought you had to lie on your back as well, until I read a small part in Astral Dynamics and it's indeed not necessary - see CTF's post.

[dreaming90]

Lying on your back is not necessary. I am a belly sleeper, but I do prefer laying on my back for projection and trance exercises.

Hypnagogic images mean you are quite deep and can probably go for a projection. I actually find it too deep, as it seems to compromise some lucidity when projecting from that state. Energy sensations generally occur before going that deep, though as you know that doesn't always happen.

Energy sensations are the key for me, and they can occur in any state, even when tossing and turning in bed, although this is rare.

[Tarryn]

Out of interest, which so-called OBE experts, in which books?

I have read it in some articles, and websites on the net. I can't remember any names as I came across these at different times while browsing. I think I did read it in some book too, but it was probably out of date.

Thanks to everyone for your replies.

[Reav3R]

If find it impossible to fall asleep whenever I'm lying on my back, I might get stuck in waking conciousness but I never fall asleep!

[Frater.Akenu]

If find it impossible to fall asleep whenever I'm lying on my back, I might get stuck in waking conciousness but I never fall asleep!

It's just a matter of pygmalion effect. Your expectation is that you cannot fall asleep during lying on your back and so you cannot fall asleep and you also most probably try to focus on falling asleep too much which would be counter-productive in your usual position as well, think about it this way, the easiest way not to fall asleep is trying to fall asleep :D

[Aunt Clair]

The fetal position facilitates obe, also;
http://www.astraldynamics.com.au/showthread.php?14001-Adopting-a-conducive-ASANA
http://www.astraldynamics.com.au/showthread.php?2401-A-Technique-to-OBE

[Saul]

Yule blessings to all.

What are people's thoughts about the crossing of arms and/or legs when attempting to enter deep-trance for projection?

Can doing so affect the relative success rate of a fully conscious exit, given that crossing arms/legs may effect the subtle energy flow and possibly also create a 'net' effect over the major chakra centers?

:party:

[heliac]

Yule blessings to all.

What are people's thoughts about the crossing of arms and/or legs when attempting to enter deep-trance for projection?

Can doing so affect the relative success rate of a fully conscious exit, given that crossing arms/legs may effect the subtle energy flow and possibly also create a 'net' effect over the major chakra centers?

:party:

When i was looking for ways to prevent OBEs from occuring, crossing my legs was one of the things that helped. I'm not too sure why but it still seems to work tp keep a projection from occurring.

[CFTraveler]

I think the question should be, what is it about crossing legs and arms that would make it succeed or fail? For me, it would be too uncomfortable, would prevent me from getting into a deep enough trance to turn a 'remote viewing' session to a full-on projection.
There is also the psychological/instinctive association we have with crossing arms and legs. Having said that, I know a person who projects on a full lotus position, so go figure.

[Aunt Clair]

Personally I find that crossing limbs impedes flow of energy. Some feel that the discipline of the Lotus asana overcomes this and point out that the perineum may have closer proximity to the flow from Mother Earth or ground but a Yoga instructor told me that sitting with the back against the wall in a corner would bring a better result. I personally like the throne and Thoth asana. Bardon , the author of the classic Initiation into Hermetics recommended the chair or throne asana. I feel that the spine is best relaxed but straight and the feet should be bare and the arms should be supported on the arms of a chair.