Dreaming when in anaesthesia

[Barry]

Hi all,

I'm back from a few weeks holiday (and a few weeks of being busy at work and several projects ;-) ). Anyways, holidays was amazing, I was very relaxed! I also had time to think about a lot of things, self-reflection even.

I had a lot of questions, but I already forgot most of them. This I remember though:
It's said that we don't dream when under anaesthesia (so medically), is that correct? How so? We are asleep, aren't we?

I have read more in Buhlman's book and there I learned that in our dreams, we also have some sort of OBE. So even when under anaesthesia, our bodies should seperate, or am I seeing things wrongly here?

I've only had to do this once, and I only remember before and after the operation, no dream or anything inbetween... (right after I woke up I was quite confused and had no idea where I was though.)

Thanks all!

[CFTraveler]

Hi all,

I'm back from a few weeks holiday (and a few weeks of being busy at work and several projects ;-) ). Anyways, holidays was amazing, I was very relaxed! I also had time to think about a lot of things, self-reflection even. Hi Barry and welcome back.


I had a lot of questions, but I already forgot most of them. This I remember though:
It's said that we don't dream when under anaesthesia (so medically), is that correct? How so? We are asleep, aren't we? Not exactly. When we sleep normally we go through various brain frequency shifts in which we dream. With anesthesia you brain is 'turned off' with drugs, and some of them affect memory retrieval, and some parts of the brain are turned off and others on, not like in normal dreaming.
Here is an article which explains it better:
"The brain under general anesthesia isn't "asleep" as surgery patients are often told -- it is placed into a state that is a reversible coma..." read more here:
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2010-12/nyph-cag122910.php


Of course, some people do get aware when the cocktail doesn't fit their own physiology, but it's a small percentage:
"A small number of those who get general anesthesia--about 0.1 to 0.2 percent--will experience awareness..." More here:
http://www.technologyreview.com/news/409842/the-brain-under-anesthesia/




I have read more in Buhlman's book and there I learned that in our dreams, we also have some sort of OBE. So even when under anaesthesia, our bodies should seperate, or am I seeing things wrongly here? More than an OBE, I'd call it a projection. And I would say 'expand' instead of 'separate', but yes.
From Robert's Treatise:
"Dreams

This is how the subconscious mind creates dreams: By tuning into the astral dimension during sleep, it can create any scenario it wishes. This is the subconscious mind's way of solving problems and of communicating with the conscious mind. It creates a series of complex thought form scenarios and projects them into the mind stuff of the astral dimension, where they become solid. The conscious mind then lives through and experiences these created scenarios in the dream state. In a way its like a movie projector (subconscious mind) projecting onto a movie screen (astral dimension)."




http://www.astraldynamics.com.au/content.php?193-Part-1





I've only had to do this once, and I only remember before and after the operation, no dream or anything inbetween... (right after I woke up I was quite confused and had no idea where I was though.)

Thanks all! The few times I had surgery I felt as if I had ceased to exist- usually when I sleep I have the awareness of time passed- but after surgery it's like it was one second later, quite disconcerting. So I guess we're the ones that it works well for.

[Sinera]

I have "been dreaming" during anaesthesia. As you might know, I gave the (link to the) account already in another thread. :wink:

[CFTraveler]

I have "been dreaming" during anaesthesia. As you might know, I gave the (link to the) account already in another thread. :wink: Then you're one of the .1 %. Congrats. I think.

[Sinera]

Then you're one of the .1 %. Congrats. I think.
I had an OBE/NDE in the surgery then. That's why I put dreaming in "...". ;)

[Barry]

Hi Barry and welcome back.


Thanks!



Not exactly. When we sleep normally we go through various brain frequency shifts in which we dream. With anesthesia you brain is 'turned off' with drugs, and some of them affect memory retrieval, and some parts of the brain are turned off and others on, not like in normal dreaming.
Here is an article which explains it better:
"The brain under general anesthesia isn't "asleep" as surgery patients are often told -- it is placed into a state that is a reversible coma..." read more here:
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2010-12/nyph-cag122910.php


Of course, some people do get aware when the cocktail doesn't fit their own physiology, but it's a small percentage:
"A small number of those who get general anesthesia--about 0.1 to 0.2 percent--will experience awareness..." More here:
http://www.technologyreview.com/news/409842/the-brain-under-anesthesia/



More than an OBE, I'd call it a projection. And I would say 'expand' instead of 'separate', but yes.
From Robert's Treatise:
"Dreams

This is how the subconscious mind creates dreams: By tuning into the astral dimension during sleep, it can create any scenario it wishes. This is the subconscious mind's way of solving problems and of communicating with the conscious mind. It creates a series of complex thought form scenarios and projects them into the mind stuff of the astral dimension, where they become solid. The conscious mind then lives through and experiences these created scenarios in the dream state. In a way its like a movie projector (subconscious mind) projecting onto a movie screen (astral dimension)."




http://www.astraldynamics.com.au/content.php?193-Part-1



Interesting. Thanks for the links. I'll read up on Robert's post now.



The few times I had surgery I felt as if I had ceased to exist- usually when I sleep I have the awareness of time passed- but after surgery it's like it was one second later, quite disconcerting. So I guess we're the ones that it works well for.

Must be a strange feeling at first, but I can imagine why you had that feeling.







I had an OBE/NDE in the surgery then. That's why I put dreaming in "...". ;)

When being in the OBE, where were you exactly or what was going on?

[Sinera]

When being in the OBE, where were you exactly or what was going on?
In the surgery above the table and after a 'switch' a little farther off watching the medical operating team. Here's the whole story (http://www.astraldynamics.com.au/showthread.php?11852-Volgerle-s-Lucidiary&p=96340#post96340).

[Barry]

Interesting post indeed. Maybe the colourful moment was a moment in the future, and the dull/blurry moment in the past? If only a few minutes.

It's also possible this was a NDE as well, but doesn't necessarily have to be, I think that's hard to say. Besides, what would have caused the bruises other than the tightness of armbands?

Perhaps this was a "NNDE" almost near a NDE. Not sure if that even exists, but maybe it's an explanation for the experience you had.