Clairvoyance versus OBE

[susan]

Hi, it's been a bit since posting on the site but I,m on a bit of a downer and could do with some of your advice.
Since I joined I posted a few of my OBEs and they really leave you with a buzz and full of excitement at discovering
what really lies out there . You cann't help but feel the adrenalin rush.
Here's the problem--- I decided to join a development group to try to develop any psychic abilities (for my own benefit). I really became very needy in wanting to know my own purpose for being here, what I may be doing wrong that I could change,...etc you get the picture?
Unfortunately, since developing this side of it my OBEs have stopped.
I could only ever have success at the 4-6am slot as I could never relax enough through the day.
I feel such a fraud at the group sessions as I feel I get nothing, but when I tell them that I raise energy early am and see images ie multiple white faces I,m told I should close down immediatly as I,m connecting to the spirit world and there are some not very nice people out there.
Well, isn't that the point of it all!!!!
I've woken up listening to a male and female singing a country and western song, another time a loud bang on the wall, when I thanked them and asked if it could be a bit quieter next time I got a door bell. When I told them that it sounded as if the batteries needed changing I got the sound of a telephone ringing.I've had the first few notes of music I play on my I phone.
Also very vivid dreams where I'm being told near the end of the dream to pick up the telephone and twice I,ve heard a man's voice (different voices each time) speak to me. ( in the dream).
The best of all was a lovely young mans voice speaking very softly but in a foreign language.(a bit like Polish).
I was actually wide awake looking up at the ceiling listening to him.
So why have my OBE,s stopped.?
I know I want to have my cake and eat it but I really miss them.
I woke up once just to feel that heavy sinking feeling as if I had just returned back but felt strongly that there was some kind of lovely energy just above me to the left.I felt very cozy and happy.
This is all lovely but do you think the chance to get out on my own and explore has been taken away from me?

[Korpo]

Why should it be taken away from you?

Did you have any change of attitudes since you've joined this psychic class? Did they say other things to discourage certain types of psychic development?

What do you want to experience through OBE?

[rf396]

Clarvoyance and OBE's share one crucial element in common. They BOTH require raising your vibrations to move or act in the spirit world. Its possible that in working on the clarvoyance element that you are using a great deal of energy and are not left with enough supply to get OB. Try dedicating a week to OBE and a week to connecting to spirit off an on that may help. Also, you are not a fraud by NOT GETTING ANYTHING. Just stay with it. If you WANT it. it will happen.

[susan]

Clarvoyance and OBE's share one crucial element in common. They BOTH require raising your vibrations to move or act in the spirit world. Its possible that in working on the clarvoyance element that you are using a great deal of energy and are not left with enough supply to get OB. Try dedicating a week to OBE and a week to connecting to spirit off an on that may help. Also, you are not a fraud by NOT GETTING ANYTHING. Just stay with it. If you WANT it. it will happen.

Hi. rf396 ,thanks for that. I think your probably right about the energy depletion. Even through the day I,m feeling really tired, and I,m not sleeping well at all.
Get your point about NOT GETTING ANYTHING. I think what I should have said was that I feel that by telling the group about some of my OBE experiences( and they would all love to experience the same), and what I pick up at the moment of waking, I then feel I'm making up any visualisations when we go round class.(a bit like being a fraud)

Korpo, thanks, They encourage closing down at night. But that is my most productive time,and as for what do I hope to achieve from OBEs? Captain Kirk and the Star Ship Enterprise comes to mind. But seriously discovering what is out there can bring excitment into a fairly mundane, routine life.

Did get a bit of a shock this am. Just looking in to the blackness of the eye, just starting to drift away when I,m sure a 1" black figure shaped like a man appeared in the top right hand corner of my vision. It scared me and I felt myself jump and fully woke up.It was as if he just jumped into the scene, but then I may have imagined it and this isn't the proper section for this so I'll finish. Thanks

[Korpo]

Maybe your tiredness is related to some changes required in your energetic makeup. Such adaptations tend to take a while, and might limit your experiences also for a while. Experiences come and go, for this reason and others. Sometimes it's just the preparation for the next leap in your development.

The group's belief might not be too conducive either. You can protect yourself without shutting down, I'd say. Your attitude of exploration should help things along.

Don't mind the minor scares. Most of the time there's no reason to suspect anything coming from that.

[her crow]

rest assured, nothing has been taken away from you.

you said it yourself - you can't relax enough and you feel a rush about your achievements. even your style of writing suggests, that you are always in a hurry, always being on edge about something. my suggestion is that you find a way to calm yourself down before advancing with any kind of practice, be it OBEs or clairvoyance. find some kind of breathing meditation that helps with your anxiousness, and the OBEs will return.

I have to agree, that spirit worlds are indeed full of stuff that isn't nice. the trick is not to be afraid, but simply to be careful. you wouldn't dive in the river head-on if you didn't know how deep it is, the same holds true for almost every practice. one step at a time and you'll be fine

good luck!

[susan]

rest assured, nothing has been taken away from you.

you said it yourself - you can't relax enough and you feel a rush about your achievements. even your style of writing suggests, that you are always in a hurry, always being on edge about something. my suggestion is that you find a way to calm yourself down before advancing with any kind of practice, be it OBEs or clairvoyance. find some kind of breathing meditation that helps with your anxiousness, and the OBEs will return.

I have to agree, that spirit worlds are indeed full of stuff that isn't nice. the trick is not to be afraid, but simply to be careful. you wouldn't dive in the river head-on if you didn't know how deep it is, the same holds true for almost every practice. one step at a time and you'll be fine

good luck!

T

[susan]

thank you , her crow, I feel you can read me like a book.I am always in a hurry but need so much more than just this physical existence can give.
I have a lovely family with a loving husband but after experiencing OBEs and other dimensions this topic becomes an addiction.
I have experienced the bad elements but it's as if someone just clicks their finger and I wake up.
I know I need PATIENCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[rf396]

Captain Kirk and the Star Ship Enterprise comes to mind

Wow this is the only time I have heard it descibed this way other THAN MYSELF!!! MY biggest desire is simply to return home FULLY for a variety of reasons and when asked WHY I respond IN this fashion. I liken being HERE, to being James T Kirk awaiting a refit. The Enterprise sits in dry dock awaiting its next adventure and yet its Captain is STUCK here on Earth for one mundane reason or another. A true bummer. LOL

[her crow]

I have a lovely family with a loving husband but after experiencing OBEs and other dimensions this topic becomes an addiction.
you must always try and remeber to stay with at least one foot on the ground, because your life happens here and now. every lesson you learn here, in the physical reality, is just as priceless as the ones you can learn 'out there'. stay grounded, calm and focused.

best of luck to you!

[susan]

Hi, I made the mistake of going to a friends house for the evening where someone would give us all a card reading.(at a cost which must be expected this was not the issue.)
She told me that I had a lovely energy but that she wanted to tell me to join the gym, ( I'm not overweight by the way)but that even though I was happy through the day with my patients and made them laugh, at night she just wanted to open the window and let me fly free.
When I MADE THE MISTAKE OF TELLING HER ABOUT SOME OBE's her reply was that

[susan]

Thanks
I made the mistake of going to a friend's house where a psychic would give us all a card reading.
She told me that even though she picked up that I had a (lovely) energy she wanted to tell me to join the gym.(I'm not at all overweight)
She said that through the day I was happy and made the people I was with laugh , but that at night she just wanted to open the window and let me fly free.
OKAY.. so I can go so far with this but when I MADE THE MISTAKE OF TELLING HER THAT I HAVE OBEs her reply was that the mind is very powerful and she feels it could be my imagination!!!!!

WISHFULL THINKING is what she said.
Sorry but if you can recall any OBEs that I've posted none of them have been in desperation and most from raising energy the NEWS way.
I think this is why I seem to be in such a hurry to raise my clairvoyance or clair??? just to fit the jigsaw pieces together

This is why THIS SITE IS SO IMPORTANT for people like me who have OBEs but can not communicate with spirit.

[Korpo]

Hello, susan.

That sounds like a rather unhelpful psychic. Clairvoyants can be very limited without even noticing themselves, and strongly held convictions can be powerful filters for what comes through, how it comes through and what the psychic will make of it when translating and presenting it to the client.

[CFTraveler]

OKAY.. so I can go so far with this but when I MADE THE MISTAKE OF TELLING HER THAT I HAVE OBEs her reply was that the mind is very powerful and she feels it could be my imagination!!!!! Or envy- she may be jealous of your experiences, and possibly may have tried without success.
Communicating with spirit is something that develops with time and practice, and will come eventually.

[LPCF]

The advantage with astral projection is that the experiences you have are your own, without a clairvoyant or psychic to experience/communicate/pass on messages. IMHO, some clairvoyants and psychics (especially those who charge money) do not like people APing because it does away with the intermediary.

I have a respect for some clairvoyants and psychics, but it is always best to have your own experiences if possible. Well, that's my view, FWIW.

[Aunt Clair]

I feel that you have found psychics, clairvoyants and a circle that are not as advanced as you are. Perhaps you can gently lead them by confidently sharing your experiences where appropriate or maybe you could start your own development circle with a focus or more broad learning rather than a focused but fear based approach. I see no reason to stop looking in the early post dreamstate consciousness. I suggest you use prophylactic protection and then open those eyes widely.

[susan]

I feel that you have found psychics, clairvoyants and a circle that are not as advanced as you are. Perhaps you can gently lead them by confidently sharing your experiences where appropriate or maybe you could start your own development circle with a focus or more broad learning rather than a focused but fear based approach. I see no reason to stop looking in the early post dreamstate consciousness. I suggest you use prophylactic protection and then open those eyes widely.

Thank you Aunt Clair, Excuse my ignorance but what is prophylactic protection?
ps. using this opportunity to just say 2 days ago 6.30 am looking into black of eye and 2 doves flew past. Thinking this could be imagination (like looking into clouds) I saw the same white dot turning into 2 dots then into doves then flying out of vision. This happened 3 times.
This morning, thought I was still awake (about 7.30) my vision screen showed me a beach with young people playing and just frolicking around . I wanted to turn to my husband and tell him it was just like watching television (not a good idea!!!!!) then the picture moved to the side and the most beautiful white dove flying with its wings flapping (looking at me ) took up the whole of the screen . Mesmorising. Had to share this with you all.
This is all happening since going back to Roberts NEW and concentrating 50% on brow area but still starting with the feet and raising energy.
At the moment I'm on cloud Cuckoo
ps... my vibrations have started again and I'm not tired any more.
Have had 3 miserable OBEs. Just got as far as the roof . (Very loud buzzing each time) but could not go further than the roof. Did you know that if you have insulation in the roof of your house it may look like long needles with round bobbles on the end? Well something in the roof looks like that .Robert's way works the best for me .

[CFTraveler]

Prophylactic= preventive

[dreaming90]

In general, I've found that psychics that charge money are best avoided. Not worth the cost.

[Aunt Clair]

I am wondering how you are going? Have you developed your ability to project at will? And have you tried mystic projection of consciousness in meditative trance?

[susan]

I am wondering how you are going? Have you developed your ability to project at will? And have you tried mystic projection of consciousness in meditative trance?

Hi Aunt Clair, I,m currently doing 50% NEW body raising with 25% brow and 25% crown ,(45 mins.)finished by 10 mins feeling , 10 mins hearing ( I'm surprised how concentrating on what sounds you can hear and what they are, can suddenly make you jump .
My problem is silencing the mind. This I believe is my biggest problem to overcome for any result through the day.
As for OBE,s I feel these have taken a back seat for the moment apart from what I reported on my last post.
I have to say though , I am a lot more chilled out and very calm and content.
I've been through a very emotional up and down period since changing the energy raising technique and felt very tired but this seems to have balanced out.
Hope to report back soon on getting further than the roof . susan

[susan]

Hi, I take back what I said about OBEs taking a back seat for the moment.
Am currently reading, as suggested, "The unanswered question" by Kurt Leyland.
During my realy tired period I had an experience that I just put down to being a dream.
I woke up normal time am with the memory of having being ceiling height in my bedroom about to leave through the wall as if it was so natural, but saw that my husband was reaching out for me to stop me leaving and he looked almost distraught.
The problem was he reached out with his arms and they almost touched me and I remember thinking ' he nearly stopped me there'.
I've just read in ' The Unanswered Question' that both the author and Robert Munroe talk of being able to extend body parts with such elasticity to even three times the length.
I simply put this memory recall down to dreaming, due to lack of knowledge.
I wonder then, that so much must happen in the sleep state (living 2 lives ) do we remember our other experiences ?( ie the people we meet and the places we go and what we maybe learn during our sleep state ) when we pass over? or do we die ignorant?
I suppose nobody can answer this question Back to the book

[susan]

Hi, I take back what I said about OBEs taking a back seat for the moment.
Am currently reading, as suggested, "The unanswered question" by Kurt Leyland.
During my realy tired period I had an experience that I just put down to being a dream.
I woke up normal time am with the memory of having being ceiling height in my bedroom about to leave through the wall as if it was so natural, but saw that my husband was reaching out for me to stop me leaving and he looked almost distraught.
The problem was he reached out with his arms and they almost touched me and I remember thinking ' he nearly stopped me there'.
I've just read in ' The Unanswered Question' that both the author and Robert Munroe talk of being able to extend body parts with such elasticity to even three times the length.
I simply put this memory recall down to dreaming, due to lack of knowledge.
I wonder then, that so much must happen in the sleep state (living 2 lives ) do we remember our other experiences ?( ie the people we meet and the places we go and what we maybe learn during our sleep state ) when we pass over? or do we die ignorant?
I suppose nobody can answer this question Back to the book

hi ,using this opportunity to share with you an OBE the other morning.
was about 8.00am, not ready to get up and got very dozy but not asleep.
felt my legs above body then felt gently uplifting from both arms. Realized an OBE was in progress but this was not planned by me nor in the right relaxed frame of mind as I usually am . As I was slowly brought to ceiling height I was thinking :DO THEY KNOW I'M NOT ASLEEP??!!!!!
We went through the roof to the garden where there is a minature cherry tree.

I FELT THE BRANCHES SCRATCH MY ARM.
I SMELT THE MOST BEAUTIFUL SWEET SWEET SMELL OF THE GRASS
Back to my bed and saw a bright metallic blue big car.

This was the most awake state I've been in so far.