ASKI
27th February 2011, 10:20 PM
He believed in a Creator, but there is a difference between pantheism and panentheism.
I'm not saying either or both are right or wrong, but what did Robert Monroe believe?
Here is a little on what he wrote:
"the flow, look at the flow . . . all moving in the same direction, from all dimensions . . . must join in before
I fall asleep again . . . the dream . . . parts keep coming back . . .
. . . must stay moving with the others . . . but they are all so much larger than I am . . . I'm just a speck . . . so small .
You are indeed, little one. Stay with me. I will help you.
. . . the one next to me, yes . . . so big I cannot see it all . . . a strong surge of energy coming down to me . . .good, that does help . . . my consciousness is filling out more . . . remembering how it happened . . . yes . . . was part of the Whole . . . one by one, parts were placed here and there, taken from the Whole and placed . . . where?"
" Can't see it clearly . . . the excitement . . . joy at a new adventure . . . one by one, those around me were placed . . . then it was my moment . . . the wrenching (sudden twist, pull) . . . the uncertainty . . . then the Whole was gone . . . what terrible loneliness . . . alone . . . need to get back to the Whole . . . consciousness falling apart . . . fall asleep . . . sleep . . . what is sleep? . . . losing consciousness, falling apart . . . that was it . . .
becoming more intense as we move . . . what joy to return. . .
What gifts do you bring, little one? I perceive none.
. . . Gifts? Gifts? I have only the need to return to the Whole where I belong, where there are others like me . . .
I am what I have always been . . . Gifts? That means more than I am or was . . . there is nothing more . . . only the
dream . . .
There is something different with you. You bring no gifts and you are alone. You are incomplete.
. . . Incomplete? How can that be? I am the same as when I left the Whole . . . I will be complete when I return
. . . I do not understand . . . all I need do is return . . .
You do understand, but you have covered it over. We have reached under the covering. Let us help you remember how it began.
. . . What? Not the dream but connected to it . . . before the dream began. It was good, but the Whole needed
more . . . and the Whole is . . . yes, that is when it happened . . . the Whole distributing parts to grow . . . to reproduce . . . to add to the Whole . . . is that it? Then the gifts would be more of me . . . ? It has to do with the dream . . . something in it, or the entire dream . . . must open my memory of the point when I was not conscious here . . . careful . . . don't want to splinter my consciousness again . . .
That cannot happen.
The physical universe, including the whole of humankind, is an ongoing creative process. There is indeed a Creator. Who or what this Creator is lies beyond the Emitter and the Aperture, and I have not been there,
Therefore, that part I do not know. Not yet. All I have is the overwhelming experience in the ray near the Emitter,
and of the evolving creative process as it takes place in this world and in myself. This I perceive with my Different Overview.
The human mind-consciousness has speculated for aeons as to our Creator beyond that Aperture
I have not been able to engage in this for reasons I now recognize. Because of the continuing use of the label of "God" in a myriad variations, I had resisted any attempt at identification in any descriptive form. The discoloration and misconceptions would be too great. Now I know why I had resisted. The same applies to the word "spiritual" and many other commonly used terms.
These to me are Knowns:
This, our Creator (Creative Force):
• is beyond our comprehension as long as we remain human
• is the designer of the ongoing process of which we are a part
• has a purpose for such action beyond our ability to understand
• makes adjustments, fine tuning, in this process as needed establishes simple laws that apply to everyone and everything
• does not demand worship, adoration, or recognition
• does not punish for "evil" and "misdeeds"
• does not intercede or interdict in our life activity
The desire to return with gifts is an integral part of the design.
Most important, I realized that no words I could write or speak, no music I could compose, would be able to transfer fully such Knowing to another human mind. As a belief it might be possible, but not as a Known. This could come only through direct individual experience. How to provide this was the essential item. Then I became aware that the process of transfer was two-thirds completed—in place and operating within the learning system we had devised at our Institute."
p.226-228
"
So, was he a pantheist or a panentheist? I know he wouldn't have liked titles, but it's easier to understand this way. Cheers..
I'm not saying either or both are right or wrong, but what did Robert Monroe believe?
Here is a little on what he wrote:
"the flow, look at the flow . . . all moving in the same direction, from all dimensions . . . must join in before
I fall asleep again . . . the dream . . . parts keep coming back . . .
. . . must stay moving with the others . . . but they are all so much larger than I am . . . I'm just a speck . . . so small .
You are indeed, little one. Stay with me. I will help you.
. . . the one next to me, yes . . . so big I cannot see it all . . . a strong surge of energy coming down to me . . .good, that does help . . . my consciousness is filling out more . . . remembering how it happened . . . yes . . . was part of the Whole . . . one by one, parts were placed here and there, taken from the Whole and placed . . . where?"
" Can't see it clearly . . . the excitement . . . joy at a new adventure . . . one by one, those around me were placed . . . then it was my moment . . . the wrenching (sudden twist, pull) . . . the uncertainty . . . then the Whole was gone . . . what terrible loneliness . . . alone . . . need to get back to the Whole . . . consciousness falling apart . . . fall asleep . . . sleep . . . what is sleep? . . . losing consciousness, falling apart . . . that was it . . .
becoming more intense as we move . . . what joy to return. . .
What gifts do you bring, little one? I perceive none.
. . . Gifts? Gifts? I have only the need to return to the Whole where I belong, where there are others like me . . .
I am what I have always been . . . Gifts? That means more than I am or was . . . there is nothing more . . . only the
dream . . .
There is something different with you. You bring no gifts and you are alone. You are incomplete.
. . . Incomplete? How can that be? I am the same as when I left the Whole . . . I will be complete when I return
. . . I do not understand . . . all I need do is return . . .
You do understand, but you have covered it over. We have reached under the covering. Let us help you remember how it began.
. . . What? Not the dream but connected to it . . . before the dream began. It was good, but the Whole needed
more . . . and the Whole is . . . yes, that is when it happened . . . the Whole distributing parts to grow . . . to reproduce . . . to add to the Whole . . . is that it? Then the gifts would be more of me . . . ? It has to do with the dream . . . something in it, or the entire dream . . . must open my memory of the point when I was not conscious here . . . careful . . . don't want to splinter my consciousness again . . .
That cannot happen.
The physical universe, including the whole of humankind, is an ongoing creative process. There is indeed a Creator. Who or what this Creator is lies beyond the Emitter and the Aperture, and I have not been there,
Therefore, that part I do not know. Not yet. All I have is the overwhelming experience in the ray near the Emitter,
and of the evolving creative process as it takes place in this world and in myself. This I perceive with my Different Overview.
The human mind-consciousness has speculated for aeons as to our Creator beyond that Aperture
I have not been able to engage in this for reasons I now recognize. Because of the continuing use of the label of "God" in a myriad variations, I had resisted any attempt at identification in any descriptive form. The discoloration and misconceptions would be too great. Now I know why I had resisted. The same applies to the word "spiritual" and many other commonly used terms.
These to me are Knowns:
This, our Creator (Creative Force):
• is beyond our comprehension as long as we remain human
• is the designer of the ongoing process of which we are a part
• has a purpose for such action beyond our ability to understand
• makes adjustments, fine tuning, in this process as needed establishes simple laws that apply to everyone and everything
• does not demand worship, adoration, or recognition
• does not punish for "evil" and "misdeeds"
• does not intercede or interdict in our life activity
The desire to return with gifts is an integral part of the design.
Most important, I realized that no words I could write or speak, no music I could compose, would be able to transfer fully such Knowing to another human mind. As a belief it might be possible, but not as a Known. This could come only through direct individual experience. How to provide this was the essential item. Then I became aware that the process of transfer was two-thirds completed—in place and operating within the learning system we had devised at our Institute."
p.226-228
"
So, was he a pantheist or a panentheist? I know he wouldn't have liked titles, but it's easier to understand this way. Cheers..