healer
5th February 2011, 12:15 AM
Hello all.
As stated in title I'm a newbie in this forum and practically newbie in the whole area. Although I refer to skepticism, it was before... 6 years or so I first tried to approach the notion of AP. At that time there weren't so many sites and communities dealing with the subject, and of course, as it also happens now, you couldn't find a place to actually chat, not just post. Well I had been doing some googling before I ended up in some techniques of "re-charging your body's energy spheres" or whatever was that was referring to. Imagination and daydreaming is characteristics of mine, patience and persistence also, but I never really relied in colors (being color-weak), so I gave that up. I just focused on relaxing and based on my determination.
Results? Thats the problem how can I be sure about results? I had some debatable experiences. Having read all that stuff how could I be sure that I was not just subliminally affected? One thing is for sure. I followed one very simple principle which actually yielded genuine results. I've read somewhere that one step towards AP is becoming aware of dreaming while at it. The key point was to regularly question what happens and whats going on around you; if you see something that does not look normal in any aspect, you go somewhere no one sees you and try the 'little jump'. Its actually an attempt to float, which of-course you re more likely to succeed while in a dream and definitely fail while awake :P. No need to say that I never tried that awake cause being awake its too real to be mistaken, but surprisingly, it worked in my dreams! In a very short time I was taking control of my dreams, even characters in it once - that was after I read they re creations of my imagination - before that I was thinking I was talking to real ppl and once tried to say to some friends "guys we re in a dream look i'm flying", which is also another example of how I can be subliminally affected by what I learn/read. All these dreams would end just a little while after I got control, either by waking up or falling again to...dream! In a more scientific explanation by taking conscious control of the dream, I hindered my subconscious to produce more "Story", i.e images etc so I would fatefully wake up.
Since its been a long time I don't remember very well, but I think I might have some dreams of projecting but these were dreams. Not only because I was floating over bed to see I was not even there, but also because the place I was floating was I think almost never the place I went to bed! It could be a totally strange place, or an older residence of mine. What gives me the crips is that right after that summer and after I messed up with all these stuff my life turned really bad for a whole year! Well gives me he crips sort of speak, cause the reasons where really deterministic, nothing unexplainable. From that point, AP only occasionally just passed through my mind, mainly because I had not much time and some things had made me really sad at that time. I would later have some dreams flying or projecting - always by falling from bed downwards to left or right and through the floor, which was when I would loose the dream. There are only two cases I remember something close to AP which COULD be genuine.
The first one was during my period of trials. I was in my girlfriend's house sleeping during noon. Dunno how but I had slept with my left had (my wrist to be exact) behind my head. Iwas on the left side of the bed. Then I had this.... lets say dream where, If i remember right I had some of these vibrations, and I then could somehow 'look' towards the left. I was sleeping but I could see. Then, I stretched my arm. I extended my arm but somehow I knew it was behind my head. Then I woke up and my hand was indeed behind my head. However I remmber stretching it to the left. The reason I distinguish this dream is because It happened where I fell asleep and I saw even for a while part of the place. I also had another dream at that place, but that time, while sleeping again on the left side, In my dream I stood up and turn towards right. My feet touched the ground from my right but at the exact same time the scenery transformed as if i was on the right side of the bed and when I woke up the whole layout of the house changed and of course its context. I had some thought like "This is how it used to be" and then I don't remember anything else. The house had indeed gone under some structural changes due to a renovation before some time but of course this is always subject to my subliminal thoughts and knowledge.
The second candidate is the day my girlfriend became my fiancee, the day we officially engaged before relatives ctra. That late afternoon I had to prepare but for a reason I was feeling very sleepy, so I said I ll lie and sleep for just 30 minutes If I can, but I certainly must, cause it would be a long night and didn't want to look drowsy in such an important occasion. So I I lied and actually fell asleep and then while asleep I remeber I once more 'looked' at the room closet in front of me. I think I might have that weird vibe feeling and starting falling to the right of my bed. A funny thing, is that many times this happens I fall but can never release my self of the bed. Its like my feet are rooted there and my body tends to fall and tends to fall and feels like falling and then like hanging there not being able to complete the fall. (of course there are some times, which feel more like a dream where i do fall hrough the floor as I said before). Anyway. This time as well, the experience happened right were I fell asleep and managed to see the place as it was. I think I ve experienced something similar in my parent's house once.
WEll I ve had written a lot more and because I was automatically logged out and did not rember to save text in a text editor as I did with the text above. I ll just point out my main points:
-After all that I m still suspicious vs communities such as this one cause evry now and then some would come and propose a book or something other commercial material. SO I thought ppl set up such sites towards naive ppl who would read about a story or too about such experiences ctra. Utter goal: buy. Of course now adays there are so many sites that either there are a lot of victims or theres indeed somthg commmon happening between these ppl. That why I wanted to find a 'chat'. Chat is more direct and you can sense if the other is sincere or not.
Now bout the rest of the stuff
. Everything I read learn affects me subliminally. HOw would I know its true? In the last example I ve herad those cracking sounds and I had felt vibes. Yeah ok, but would have I, had I never learned about them? who knows... Then again vibes is one thing I had sensed before I ever heard about AP. I had a very vivid dream in around the age of 17 or less, with an image of mine in a frame which started talking. I got so scared and contradictingly at the same time I knew I was dreaming and tried to force my self wake up., Those vibrations had allready started and when I forced my self to wake up I actually tried to open my eyelids while sleeping. My eyelids started shaking really bad until I woke up, but the feeling was just as if I had jumped from one place to another and as if I had just got away of something. Bad feeling...
Now the questions in a hurry....
I ve read a lot of stuff, That we can interact with the physical world, at the scale of moving a small feather, that we can be seen by someone depending on how close to this plane we are depending on the 'weight' we put in our astral body/vehicle, we can travel in time towards past which takes longer than real time and towards future whic htakes faster than actual elapsed time. I ve also read so specific things such as 'you cant go further than 500 years in the past" Now whats true? How do we know? About statements like 500 yrs they would only once more subliminally restrain me so it would be better I f I did not hear constraints. On the other hand if the more backwards you go the more time it takes, then travelling 500 years back might take more than 12 hours of sleep so this could be more like a practical difficulty rather than an unbreakable 'rule'. I also read food affects our ability to AP and today read a guy who in 3 years noticed the exact opposite.
Can we meet in the astral plane? Cause if so I would gladly made/open a thought/hole in my consciousness for someone, after having agreed about it, to come and pop me out of a dream so I could travel a bit in the real astral plane outside my subliminal dream world.
Can anyone hurt me while my consciousness wanders in the astral plane? Cause If so I would take back that last hole-thought! I ve also read about a 'protector' or smthg like that we can manifest to watch after our body while we re away - crazy stuff right?
Are there places we simply CAN't go? I d like to visit that famous secret military base near mexico, althought it should be well astrally-locked!
Can we interfere with ppl's memories while theyre dreaming/sleeping. One, who would think that all ppl have only well intentions for bringing up such subject, was proposing we could erase other ppl;'s traumatic experiences this way. Of course he was saying we shouldn't go messing up with other ppls thoughts in general.
Are there Rules in general you must respect in Astral palne? Or anyone can act depending on his moral ethics?
Can we see ppl who have passed away? All of them? Or just those who have left behind for a reason? I ve read someone saying if we meet such ppl we should help them understand tha tthey re dead so that they could move on, implying that not all people are here to communicate with.
and utterly the most important one (which is explicitly related with the 'Can we interact with the physical world' question) Can we heal while AP? Now that would be a motivation to AP! That should actually be a goal for all ppl if its feasible and if the whole story of AP is genuine.
Feeewww! I wonder if a single person stopped by to read all these... Well, forgive me but its been around 6 years since I wanted to share these with someone. Think that I wrote half the text twice, from scratch!
Any comments good/bad/ironic/supportive/ctra are wellcome
Thank you all for your time!
P.S. My fiancee, which is now my wife :), is about to have a little girl in about a month. I was always 'fantasizing' (in the good sense, put another word if it doesn't fit) that I would have achieved to AP before I had a kid so that I would be ready to start learning to it, when it would be young and easy to learn not being fed up with prejudice and all what we learn as 'de facto'. Do you think I can catch up in one month. I know the important thing is if I think I can... The thing is, the time I was trying I was a student had like infinity free time to experiment and was really calm. Now the work the kid the respnsibilities. I find it almost impossible to find the calm needed to perform such tasks? What do you guys think?
PS2 Thanks again
As stated in title I'm a newbie in this forum and practically newbie in the whole area. Although I refer to skepticism, it was before... 6 years or so I first tried to approach the notion of AP. At that time there weren't so many sites and communities dealing with the subject, and of course, as it also happens now, you couldn't find a place to actually chat, not just post. Well I had been doing some googling before I ended up in some techniques of "re-charging your body's energy spheres" or whatever was that was referring to. Imagination and daydreaming is characteristics of mine, patience and persistence also, but I never really relied in colors (being color-weak), so I gave that up. I just focused on relaxing and based on my determination.
Results? Thats the problem how can I be sure about results? I had some debatable experiences. Having read all that stuff how could I be sure that I was not just subliminally affected? One thing is for sure. I followed one very simple principle which actually yielded genuine results. I've read somewhere that one step towards AP is becoming aware of dreaming while at it. The key point was to regularly question what happens and whats going on around you; if you see something that does not look normal in any aspect, you go somewhere no one sees you and try the 'little jump'. Its actually an attempt to float, which of-course you re more likely to succeed while in a dream and definitely fail while awake :P. No need to say that I never tried that awake cause being awake its too real to be mistaken, but surprisingly, it worked in my dreams! In a very short time I was taking control of my dreams, even characters in it once - that was after I read they re creations of my imagination - before that I was thinking I was talking to real ppl and once tried to say to some friends "guys we re in a dream look i'm flying", which is also another example of how I can be subliminally affected by what I learn/read. All these dreams would end just a little while after I got control, either by waking up or falling again to...dream! In a more scientific explanation by taking conscious control of the dream, I hindered my subconscious to produce more "Story", i.e images etc so I would fatefully wake up.
Since its been a long time I don't remember very well, but I think I might have some dreams of projecting but these were dreams. Not only because I was floating over bed to see I was not even there, but also because the place I was floating was I think almost never the place I went to bed! It could be a totally strange place, or an older residence of mine. What gives me the crips is that right after that summer and after I messed up with all these stuff my life turned really bad for a whole year! Well gives me he crips sort of speak, cause the reasons where really deterministic, nothing unexplainable. From that point, AP only occasionally just passed through my mind, mainly because I had not much time and some things had made me really sad at that time. I would later have some dreams flying or projecting - always by falling from bed downwards to left or right and through the floor, which was when I would loose the dream. There are only two cases I remember something close to AP which COULD be genuine.
The first one was during my period of trials. I was in my girlfriend's house sleeping during noon. Dunno how but I had slept with my left had (my wrist to be exact) behind my head. Iwas on the left side of the bed. Then I had this.... lets say dream where, If i remember right I had some of these vibrations, and I then could somehow 'look' towards the left. I was sleeping but I could see. Then, I stretched my arm. I extended my arm but somehow I knew it was behind my head. Then I woke up and my hand was indeed behind my head. However I remmber stretching it to the left. The reason I distinguish this dream is because It happened where I fell asleep and I saw even for a while part of the place. I also had another dream at that place, but that time, while sleeping again on the left side, In my dream I stood up and turn towards right. My feet touched the ground from my right but at the exact same time the scenery transformed as if i was on the right side of the bed and when I woke up the whole layout of the house changed and of course its context. I had some thought like "This is how it used to be" and then I don't remember anything else. The house had indeed gone under some structural changes due to a renovation before some time but of course this is always subject to my subliminal thoughts and knowledge.
The second candidate is the day my girlfriend became my fiancee, the day we officially engaged before relatives ctra. That late afternoon I had to prepare but for a reason I was feeling very sleepy, so I said I ll lie and sleep for just 30 minutes If I can, but I certainly must, cause it would be a long night and didn't want to look drowsy in such an important occasion. So I I lied and actually fell asleep and then while asleep I remeber I once more 'looked' at the room closet in front of me. I think I might have that weird vibe feeling and starting falling to the right of my bed. A funny thing, is that many times this happens I fall but can never release my self of the bed. Its like my feet are rooted there and my body tends to fall and tends to fall and feels like falling and then like hanging there not being able to complete the fall. (of course there are some times, which feel more like a dream where i do fall hrough the floor as I said before). Anyway. This time as well, the experience happened right were I fell asleep and managed to see the place as it was. I think I ve experienced something similar in my parent's house once.
WEll I ve had written a lot more and because I was automatically logged out and did not rember to save text in a text editor as I did with the text above. I ll just point out my main points:
-After all that I m still suspicious vs communities such as this one cause evry now and then some would come and propose a book or something other commercial material. SO I thought ppl set up such sites towards naive ppl who would read about a story or too about such experiences ctra. Utter goal: buy. Of course now adays there are so many sites that either there are a lot of victims or theres indeed somthg commmon happening between these ppl. That why I wanted to find a 'chat'. Chat is more direct and you can sense if the other is sincere or not.
Now bout the rest of the stuff
. Everything I read learn affects me subliminally. HOw would I know its true? In the last example I ve herad those cracking sounds and I had felt vibes. Yeah ok, but would have I, had I never learned about them? who knows... Then again vibes is one thing I had sensed before I ever heard about AP. I had a very vivid dream in around the age of 17 or less, with an image of mine in a frame which started talking. I got so scared and contradictingly at the same time I knew I was dreaming and tried to force my self wake up., Those vibrations had allready started and when I forced my self to wake up I actually tried to open my eyelids while sleeping. My eyelids started shaking really bad until I woke up, but the feeling was just as if I had jumped from one place to another and as if I had just got away of something. Bad feeling...
Now the questions in a hurry....
I ve read a lot of stuff, That we can interact with the physical world, at the scale of moving a small feather, that we can be seen by someone depending on how close to this plane we are depending on the 'weight' we put in our astral body/vehicle, we can travel in time towards past which takes longer than real time and towards future whic htakes faster than actual elapsed time. I ve also read so specific things such as 'you cant go further than 500 years in the past" Now whats true? How do we know? About statements like 500 yrs they would only once more subliminally restrain me so it would be better I f I did not hear constraints. On the other hand if the more backwards you go the more time it takes, then travelling 500 years back might take more than 12 hours of sleep so this could be more like a practical difficulty rather than an unbreakable 'rule'. I also read food affects our ability to AP and today read a guy who in 3 years noticed the exact opposite.
Can we meet in the astral plane? Cause if so I would gladly made/open a thought/hole in my consciousness for someone, after having agreed about it, to come and pop me out of a dream so I could travel a bit in the real astral plane outside my subliminal dream world.
Can anyone hurt me while my consciousness wanders in the astral plane? Cause If so I would take back that last hole-thought! I ve also read about a 'protector' or smthg like that we can manifest to watch after our body while we re away - crazy stuff right?
Are there places we simply CAN't go? I d like to visit that famous secret military base near mexico, althought it should be well astrally-locked!
Can we interfere with ppl's memories while theyre dreaming/sleeping. One, who would think that all ppl have only well intentions for bringing up such subject, was proposing we could erase other ppl;'s traumatic experiences this way. Of course he was saying we shouldn't go messing up with other ppls thoughts in general.
Are there Rules in general you must respect in Astral palne? Or anyone can act depending on his moral ethics?
Can we see ppl who have passed away? All of them? Or just those who have left behind for a reason? I ve read someone saying if we meet such ppl we should help them understand tha tthey re dead so that they could move on, implying that not all people are here to communicate with.
and utterly the most important one (which is explicitly related with the 'Can we interact with the physical world' question) Can we heal while AP? Now that would be a motivation to AP! That should actually be a goal for all ppl if its feasible and if the whole story of AP is genuine.
Feeewww! I wonder if a single person stopped by to read all these... Well, forgive me but its been around 6 years since I wanted to share these with someone. Think that I wrote half the text twice, from scratch!
Any comments good/bad/ironic/supportive/ctra are wellcome
Thank you all for your time!
P.S. My fiancee, which is now my wife :), is about to have a little girl in about a month. I was always 'fantasizing' (in the good sense, put another word if it doesn't fit) that I would have achieved to AP before I had a kid so that I would be ready to start learning to it, when it would be young and easy to learn not being fed up with prejudice and all what we learn as 'de facto'. Do you think I can catch up in one month. I know the important thing is if I think I can... The thing is, the time I was trying I was a student had like infinity free time to experiment and was really calm. Now the work the kid the respnsibilities. I find it almost impossible to find the calm needed to perform such tasks? What do you guys think?
PS2 Thanks again