Dream+Dom+Work-Experiences

[istia]

one of the last dreams-scenes i remember quite well is, that we, a group of friends, were having a big meetup... a lot of different energies were there, joy and excitement though also tension, but more on the male side... there were 3 other woman/friends of whom i only saw concretely 2, but those were looking exactly like me, a tiny little difference was there, as i just had a bit different hair or something like that and i also had or felt a bit more responsibility for this meeting, though finally i felt we (woman) are of one shape or kind or being.

I usually do remember several dreams per night, though my storage got a bit bad lately.
Hence looking forward to re-gain a better dream-recall :)

[Sinera]

hi istia,
what is a DOM-experience?
cheers,
volgerle

[istia]

hi Volgerle, hehe this expression i`ve invented once to describe that i can not determine if it is a pur dream or a dream with obe-aspects, so to say a mix of both = Dream-Obe-Mix ;) That was during the days of the old W.Buhlmann Forum and some american friends did welcome that expression. Im not that good with obeing, though have a few quite clear Obes but very often did experience mind-split-probs, false awakening etc as i understand it through R.B.`s book Astral-Dynamics and that is in fact the reason why im reading and studying his book the second time, now more deeply, and why im here :)

best greetings, istia

[istia]

dream of night bevor last night:
- my mother is dying again, and again im sad but it is all okay though.
- meet the daughter of an old forum fellower, her eyes are so incredible beautiful bright shining, though we are meeting to say good bye.
next morning major changes in reality.

[Korpo]

Hello, istia.

"Eyes are the windows of the soul." :)

Cheers,
Oliver

[istia]

yes Korpo, but these eyes and windows of a soul were not mine ;) though beautiful to have been in re-touch with them at least for a while this life-time, as my own soul now does send a much more strong and unique call :)

[istia]

normal dream:
- a co-worker occurs (he once had thieved/betrayed our agency but after he repented, said sorry and asked for a second chance he was employed again.
- my ex-boyfriend (who in real is not allowed to meet me as a normal friend because his new girlfriend is too jealous) has a new girl friend - im happy about this cause i know that we now can keep on our friendship as the new girlfriend rather will be jealous on his previous girlfriend *roll eyes* ;)
- im with my brother&wife on a party, he says to her that he`s tired and would like to leave, but she kind of ignores this in saying its interesting here.

[Korpo]

yes Korpo, but these eyes and windows of a soul were not mine ;) though beautiful to have been in re-touch with them at least for a while this life-time, as my own soul now does send a much more strong and unique call :)

Well, what I wanted to say was that what you saw about the other person was the radiance of their soul expressed in the eyes.

Cheers,
Oliver

[istia]

yes, thank you, indeed!

best greetings, ista.

[istia]

Dream-Healing:
yesterday before sleep i was focusing on healing energy for a friend who is grieving, but I arrived on another dream-scene referring to a conflict I myself have with an old and once truly brotherlike fellow. In the dream i and he talked and talked while we went with a car up a mountain (similar to the one I just was in vacation in real) Then a much better and lighter feeling arose between us, kind of heal-feel, even though there was no mental solution.
Unfortunately I don’t remember any detail of what we talked so seriously. After this scene I awoke, thought about it and then dreamed on.
Again I drove with a car up this mountain, but with another guy, who was unknown to me but very sympathetic and full of compassion, he even cried tears and somehow I felt he did that (representatively) for me, for the release of my own underlying sadness. Then I was with him on top of the mountain in a big kitchen talking and I was wearing a white monks-cowl with a wide hood over my head. I could watch myself also from outside and I saw that my face was quite white, clean, had a clear skin.
Then a woman occurred who wanted to make a photo of me. But I turned away and told her that I don’t wanted to be photographed like that.
When I awoke I had one hand lying on my heart/chest and I felt very well and somehow healed and harmonised within.
I assign this experience to a Dom, first from the fact of my re-entry to the dream-scene, though most of all just from feel and intensity.

[Sinera]

I arrived on another dream-scene referring to a conflict I myself have with an old and once truly brotherlike fellow. In the dream i and he talked and talked ... Unfortunately I don’t remember any detail of what we talked so seriously. ...
I also had an old buddy from school days, we had a quarrel one day (actually about a trifle issue, almost ridiculous) and haven't had contact and talked with each other yet for 8-9 years now.
In my dreams, I so often meet this guy and we are talking as if nothing had happened. Maybe sometimes we dream or experience what we should do/have done for quite a while in waking life already.
In one dream recently, which was quite long and very vivid ("dom-like" if you like), I was with a group of people in a pub and he was also there. I spilled a glass of beer over his head then. Not very nice, yes, I know - it seems sometimes I play the bad guys in dreams :wink: (but not in waking life, of course :mrgreen: :roll: ). We quarreled again a bit with a little of a skirmish, but not too violent. The good thing: it got resolved and we were reconciled soon after it.
So maybe we work through some unsolved karmic issues in our dreams.

[istia]

ah cool and yes i agree in that for sure we`re kind of working out karmic thingys during all the time (at least in the sense of cause+effect), during night and also day, but what i also think is that our dreambodies, or our souls, can treat a certain thing or problem quite different from what we perceive and do in real. And i think that mostly its kind of arranged by our souls what we experience as challenges to grow, even sometimes it feels as if my soul would laugh about something whereby i-in-real am totally sad about, cause i dont get the joke so to say :x :mrgreen: But to say the least its comforting to get and feel the connection to others and to our own source through our souls dreaming :)

I spilled a glass of beer over his head then. Not very nice, yes, I know - it seems sometimes I play the bad guys in dreams
hahah, well meanwhile im quite convinced its not too bad to sometimes rather do "bad" things, cause being always "nice" can also lead into a trap ;)

[istia]

1.11.10
yesterday I in real wandered some hours in a wood and mountain with old keltic places on the top and also a big rock which is said to be many million of years old. When I made a break to gaze at that rock I had this intense feeling of that it moves, like shrinking and expanding, like breathing, I felt strong energies from this rock, later on took a little stone of the keltic place up the hill home with me and did put it on my little altar. Maybe it was this strong energetic impression which had inspired my inner self to generated this intense dom-like thingy:

It is dark night with a billion of brilliant shining stars on the sky. Im standing with my father on the top of a hill watching the sky. Then we see 2 times a shooting star, we are excited, then my father says, watch this!: then I looked beneath us there is a little village, the lamp-lights of the houses as well are shining. Suddenly the whole village – better said an image, a copy of it – is arching towards the sky, like 3D round moving and stays right at the horizon`s nearest sky-part, so the village is twin-like mirrored in the sky. Then my father said: This is the Double of the village! Im just amazed, like aha wowhey :D

[istia]

Dream:
Im a kind of injured and first out of the bleeding wounds there are running little spiders which feels disgusting, but then all changes and i recognize that these things coming out of the wounds are amazing precious little Tigers.
My last thought before awakening is: oh i can bring up these little so beautiful animals, im supposed to accompanie their growth which makes me feel enthusiastic.

This week the CDs for Mastering Astral Projection arrived. Im looking forward to work with it.

[CFTraveler]

Dream:
Im a kind of injured and first out of the bleeding wounds there are running little spiders which feels disgusting, but then all changes and i recognize that these things coming out of the wounds are amazing precious little Tigers.
My last thought before awakening is: oh i can bring up these little so beautiful animals, im supposed to accompanie their growth which makes me feel enthusiastic.

What a wonderful way to work with energetic entities! I loved this comparison.

[Sinera]

Dream:
Im a kind of injured and first out of the bleeding wounds there are running little spiders which feels disgusting, but then all changes and i recognize that these things coming out of the wounds are amazing precious little Tigers.
My last thought before awakening is: oh i can bring up these little so beautiful animals, im supposed to accompanie their growth which makes me feel enthusiastic.
you turned sth negative and disgusting into sth beautiful and nice, congrats, that is a great skill in dreams!

[istia]

thank you both for your interest and replys!

have had maaany dreams, but it seems that the first effect of listening to this really wonderful CD (1.) is that im getting sooo relaxed that i just ignore my previous want to write down or store anything thoroughly ;) so, seems i now have to work a bit harder on disciplin! 8)

[istia]

last Dream of last Night:

Im with a friend (feels familiar but not known) and there is my Bear, kind of my child. It is already as double size/high than me but still a young bear, not adult yet and likes to play a lot. There is a big house with balconies via corners in a 90 degree angle so to say and abut to the second floor balcony there is a fir-like tree which of only the top-part still is green. My bear somehow gets up the floor from where he can reach the top of the tree and attempts to bite off the last green spruce needles. So of course I am up this floor too, but on another balcony beside the one where he is. Now that’s our game: the bear tries to bite off the last needles while I try to hinder him from that in playfully hitting his mouth and pushing him away over and over. The friend below is just watching us amused.
Don`t remember and know how the play and dream ended.

Note: the Bear I feel as an inner aspect cause I have a strong relationship to. I even was called bear (nickname) for quite some years as friends explain they see me as a warm protector-character but who by all means also can become combatively when it comes to injustice or danger for the ones I have to care for.

Learnprocess: yesterday I was reading a lot here in the Forum and this morning I got aware that I currently quite often seem to judge my dream-contents somehow instantly while im still though in dream-state. And often I seem to think this and that is not really important, is too average, too symbolic, too much of daily routine or whatever undervaluing. Now I guess that might be the reason why lately although Im conscious that I`ve dreamed a lot, I only remember little or even only the last dream-scene. So I decided today to try to keep a consciously more neutral view on all the dream-contents and surely this will also influence my dream-body and storage and bring back more remembrance.

Working steady and regular with the CDs feels great and Im looking forward to all further insights.

[Sinera]

... I got aware that I currently quite often seem to judge my dream-contents somehow instantly while im still though in dream-state. And often I seem to think this and that is not really important, is too average, too symbolic, too much of daily routine or whatever undervaluing. Now I guess that might be the reason why lately although Im conscious that I`ve dreamed a lot, I only remember little or even only the last dream-scene.
while judging it unconsciously in dreamstate while it happens you show a good way of dream lucidity ... if I was you I would rather try to foster this ability than to turn it down, just my two cents.

[Korpo]

Hello, istia.

I actually know the problem, am dealing with it too. The mental body is often ruled by likes and dislikes. This then can lead to it filtering out experiences as boring or unimportant, or simply for not being understood, which prevents them from being downloaded and interpreted later.

I have no real recipe against it, but I think the tendency can be countered a bit by indiscriminately journalling all remembered dream content down in the morning, even all those bits with these properties, no matter how chaotic or fragmentary they are. Furthermore I sometimes had good results with affirmation spoken out loud right before going to sleep.

Cheers,
Oliver

[CFTraveler]

I wanted to say something similar, but was not very coherent this morning.
It's ok to judge the experience while it's happening, it just indicates your conscious mind is operating on the subconscious level, but journalling is the best way to look back at what you experienced, including the a priori judgements, and a second look at the written accounts will help you go deeper into what they mean.
Or, what Oliver said.

[istia]

Hi, each of your replies gave me an Aha, I will bear in mind all this, very helpful! Thanx a lot to the three of you! Greetings.

[istia]

19.11.10
Last Dream-Scene:
We are 4 people – actors – in a big hall full of audience. After our “Show” (which of I don’t remember anything) we are walking towards the centre in the middle of all spectators to bow our heads under big applause. While we walk the last steps I go a little behind and beat our “main-actor” laughingly and enthusiastic on his back (like expressing: hey you did the really best job!)

Note:
in reality there are things which about I definitely do feel not soo easy as my dreams reflecting. So either, as a psychological view probably would claim, I subconsciously try to make things better as I in real perceive them, a wish-dream so to say. Or, as according to my believe-system I indeed do believe, it is that on a higher level our souls are truly having a totally different view on all, planning all events, also the not-so-nice-ones, possibly even arrange all together in soul-clusters, just to make us learn and grow.

Before sleep:
I again worked with the (3rd) CD, first couldn’t concentrate so well as the times before, but then had a strong awareness-shifting-feel, quite similar to something I know from an experience which I call `the void-womb`, dark, warm, endlessly wide and open.
The thing im a bit struggling with is, that after decades of working with the breath in meditation, martial disciplines and all sorts of energy-imagination-exercises-firmly-connected-with-breathing I really have to find a new way to work with imagination (i.e. of an energy-ball) _separately_ of any connection to the breathing. Sounds odd, but I automatically do speed up my breathing when I imagine something within moving faster. So I prospectively will have to focus on that unforeseen point too and thinkhope that this finally will make my ability of imagination stronger.

[Korpo]

Hello, istia.

Maybe the message is this: Life is a big play - acting on a stage. Sometimes it does one good to get out of the role, realise one is an actor and "escape the drama," seeing that everyone has a role to play, and while serious work needs to be done, one is not to take it too serious either.

A good actor who plays in a drama will get heavily involved and be in it, but also not forget it's a play. It's kind of a dual perspective - inside and outside, immersed in the experience and being able to retain knowledge of the true nature of the happenings.

The applause could be a message that you indeed have done something right, something impressive. If this does not directly correlate with your current experience it might mean that you're doing well with the challenges you're facing but are a bit too close to it to realise what is going on from a more detached point of view.

Did you recognise the actors as people in your life?

Cheers,
Oliver

[Sinera]

The thing im a bit struggling with is, that after decades of working with the breath in meditation, martial disciplines and all sorts of energy-imagination-exercises-firmly-connected-with-breathing I really have to find a new way to work with imagination (i.e. of an energy-ball) _separately_ of any connection to the breathing. Sounds odd, but I automatically do speed up my breathing when I imagine something within moving faster. So I prospectively will have to focus on that unforeseen point too and thinkhope that this finally will make my ability of imagination stronger.

suggestion: why do you have to make it move fast(er) at all?

try just to keep it "walking" in a synchronised manner with your breath and not "running" away. For example, sometimes I do 'chakra breathing': inhale slowly - the energy (it is a disk in my case) comes in simultaneously, then exhale slowly: it goes out again, then next chakra for the next breathing cycle...

or sometimes I take a deep breath and draw the energy from my bottom (lowest chakra) up to my breast chakra and with the exhale I pump it up and out of the crown chakra again (or the whole thing vice versa: top to bottom).

To sum up: maybe you could try to synchronise your breathing with the energy movement,
or even better: imagine that the energy coming in IS the air or "life stuff" you inhale and then exhale; then synchronisation isn't even something to think about, you do it automatically. :P

[istia]

hello,

yes Korpo, I think so as well... "life is a play... escape the drama... and also serious work has to be done"
and "dual perspective" - absolutely, yes! which especially is currently, though I could say even leads through my entire life like a red line.
also very right is: "too close emotionally... and become a more detached view/feel onto all"!
think my dream of tonight shows right the contrary, but so, what to do, life has its own flow and growth, right.
The actors I didnt recognize from waking life, but as Im working a lot with groups, in work, in art-projects, young and older people, in many different kind of settings, I know what the feeling I got to the other actors was like - just like very familiar, cause all were going together through deep and not onyl easy processes, which results in this kind of familiar, not superficial, feeling. Thank you for your empathic reply!

Volgerle, your first sentence, that was great said! so easy and natural that it didnt rise in my seemingly complicated head ;) so why do it faster when slow works fine? right! though it is said so in the CD and of course first of all i always try my best and furthermore the years before i already more often realised that my attachment to the breath-process does hinder me also from i.e. special obe-exercises which i did. So i felt and feel it may not be bad to work a bit more for my detachment from aware-breathing. I mean its great to have become so aware of breathing always, its very healthy physically, but if there now even had arisen a kind of narrowness for new learnprocesses then i should free myself from that, dont you think so ?
Great excercises you are describing there and I indeed did and do many similar ones. Lately I do preferably this PC-Muscle pulling up with breathing, have you heard of that? Thank you for your reply full of ideas!

Dream of last night:
Im with a man (i know from waking life, having conflicts). We just leaving a place where he brought a lot of confusion and also destruction. We are on the way to a holy gral like thing. He is sitting in a wheelchair and Im pushing him in this chair along. He then says: "I did it all ok, no!!??" I answered: " No, that was not ok!" While keep on walking and pushing the chair with him ahead I cry. Then I hit his shoulder lightly and more intense and repeatedly say: "No that was not ok, that was not ok at all"!! and realise he as well is crying, we both do cry. I awake with a deep sob.
I again wonder on what kind of plane this happens, just in my own subconscious or also on a more subtle, more like all-connected soul-level?

[Korpo]

Is he in a wheelchair in real life?

Cheers,
Oliver

[istia]

Hello Korpo,
no, he is not in a wheelchair in real.
What would make the difference, if it is so in real or just symbollically, in understanding the dream and/or this particular message??
What could/should I learn from this?
Thanx!

Tonights weird dream:
I see a big baby-head and see that his/her left eye is harmed, is blind, or false or dangerous sick.
I try to think, get information, to figure out how I could take this out in a not harming way and exchange it for a good and healthy one.
Awake while still searching for a conclusion.

In Real today, even wierder, because of the coherence to the dream:
I made a journey with a friend into the woods, where we visit a friend of my friend, whom I didnt know before. We were sitting talking first and later wanted to go to some celtic places, making some energy-exercises. After a while I went outside on his veranda and saw a big black bird in a cage, flapping and jumping around quite nervous.I recognised it was a raven. I immediately felt bad and thought why this beautiful animal was here encaged? I anyways can not stand to see any animals encaged, I worked for animal rights. Also I felt strange cause this animal I knew is the power-animal of the one in the wheel-chair from last dream. As the owner came out to the veranda I directly ask him: why is this bird encaged here? It tries to get out, it will get crazy encaged inside, birds are not meant to be in a cage! But he then explained that he had built a big Voliere above the roof for him, he could go there anytime as the little cage had an exit and often would come other ravens just sitting beside him. He continued explaining that he kept the raven since almost 2 years as he could not fly and not orientate well. When I asked why, he said: because he only has one eye. I asked which one was hurt or blind and he answered: the left one.
I felt this strong feel and connection to the waves of life, the dao, like so often this perception that there doesnt exist anything unrelated, reality and dream-reality, outer and inner worlds are permeating each other in such intense ways which just makes me feel in awe with all what is... even though on a reasonable level I may not know and not be able to understand or the less interpret anything in the right way.

[CFTraveler]

Hi Istia.
I think both the baby and the ravens are aspects of you- the baby suggests it's a developing aspect, and the raven suggests it's connected to spirituality or mediumship, and the fact that the problem is with the left eye (the left side being connected to intuition) makes me think that you are concerned with your intuitive faculties and possible second sight (as it is a sight problem, as in clairvoyance.)

Just my two cents, I'll let Oliver tackle your other questions.
:)

[istia]

Great Input CFTraveler, Thanx! :)

[istia]

i`ve thought and still think about what you`ve said CFTraveler, feel its basically very true. Although in the last decade i have become a much better access to my intuition there are periods or specific events which bring me to loose again my trust into my intuition and right perception. This is confusing, though i think the sense behind must be to improve my inner senses and integrity.
I believe that my soul, my inner self, any ones dream-self always wants to help us on our process to become whole, though in these last dreams i only can see that the situations are just mirrored, but not a possible solution is showed.. but maybe im just to blind to see so ;)

Yesterdays CD-Work was good in that I could quite well detach from all what keept me occupied, relax into the here&now.

[Korpo]

Hello Korpo,
no, he is not in a wheelchair in real.
What would make the difference, if it is so in real or just symbollically, in understanding the dream and/or this particular message??

Well, the message of the wheelchair is this - he is "handicapped" in some kind of way. Immobile, not able to "move forward of his own" - in a sense, of course.

You pushing him towards the grail is your service to your friend, bringing him closer to Source, giving back the mobility he's lacking. Even while you do that, you also remind him that his (self-limiting) behaviour is not okay. The nature of your service (probably being an example to the other person in some way, therefore showing a better way) is not to be mistaken for validating that person's behaviour, which you point out. The kindness you give is not validation, but simply that: kindness.

The grail is often used as symbol for the Source, the soul, getting closer to God. It is for example used in this way by Wagner in the "Lohengrin" Prelude and throughout "Parsifal."

Cheers,
Oliver

[istia]

thanx a lot for your clear explanations and feedback Korpo, and this is indeed how also i perceive or think consciously about it... simultaneously I believe that as Im the dreamer this also was a moment-photography-like expression of me myself, like not being able to move forward well, although always still on the path toward the grail.. luckily its that in our highest aspects we`re all the same Source and also that all moment-photographies are changing, moving, developing towards semething else, and this changes seem to go faster and faster.. :)

Volgerle, apropos "faster"... i now have found the trick for me! To imagine Chi or a specific energy-image moving faster than my breath is going i now just heighten the speed of this image just i.e. 3 times faster than my natural breathing moves, so to say i do it in a kind of frame-of-my-breath, but just 3 times faster... ok its only a trick ;) and anybody else may wonder what kind of odd prob i have here, but somehow it works well like this, so i`ll keep on with it so far :)

[istia]

latest dream I remember.:
Im finding/inventing? a science-fiction-like machine which is a kind of "translator" and also "storage-box" and also likely a "combine-machine". There are 2 people who had NDE experience, but they dont know each other yet. One is the friend I had a conflict with in the recent past and the other is a kind of new fellow whom I know only little (but I know that as well he as also my old friend have had both an NDE in youth) So I have this machine and try with that to connect both man and mainly both man`s nde-experiences, so they can exchange it properly. But this only will work if the one (not much known) guy would first speak/think (telepathically-like) his experience very strongly into this machine. Before I awoke I wonder if he would be able to do this in the needed concentration and endurance.

Any ideas, associations?

This could maybe symbollycally represent a yet unknown inner part of myself which has access to the other-world (nde) and another part within that already more practically knows the astral world but has lost somehow connection to that and all together this could mean to re/connect and find acces to both it is needed endurance and concentration? possibly..

[istia]

as I now have read that it is not possible (for good reason) to reply to my Ask-Robert "Translation" question, I`ll just do that shortly in here: thanx a lot for your detailed answer! The requests to translate and publish your great explorations (primarily online) are on the way to all appropriate german publishers. Im wishing much luck to Germany that also here finally will be understood better and therefore deeply appreaciated and honoured the help and insights your wonderful work does provide.

I did it for you- CF.

thankyou :)

[istia]

Dream of beginning of this week:
there is a big homestead, me and friends/soulfamily and also kids are living in. A small river is flowing quite near to our farm, belongs to it somehow. The small river gives a sweet atmosphere though at present is rather a bit dirty and muddy, like shaken river-sand, but not stuck as the water still is flowing in a gentle mood.
Im on the way to somewhere, just leaving the homeland with my car, driving the country road which later on leads to a freeway. Though this time (in the dream this whole scene is familiar as I would live there since quite a while) I recognize a new and second more narrow country-road which leads a bit downwards to the right, but along our gentle small river. So I try this little road to see whereto it would lead. Further the road Im astound and surprised to see a huge lively big river with amazing clear and fresh water. This river is crossing our little small-river. I wonder how this is possible, also cause both rivers are seemingly following their own path, even though they cross each other. (don’t remember if it was yet in the dream or first afterwards that I realised the physically impossibility of this) Im without car now and will investigate more in going closer. I somehow know or hear that this big clear river is supposed to be the Main (the river of my city-town) and then I see that at the cross- and touch-point of the 2 rivers there is a certain movement of the water, like a special frizzing and whirling of strudel water and therefore and somehow I know that soon the big-fresh-river-water will gush into our small-river.

[Korpo]

Hello, istia.

I think you're giving images to what you experienced in nonphysical reality. The rivers are energy streams, and you can perceive the clarity of each. You notice how a clearer flow of energy could be available, an expanded perspective in comparison to the one you're used to.

The little homestead could be your current relationship to your soul family/group. Maybe you're looking for a clearer way (energy flow) to reestablish that connection again at a higher level. You can see how the higher energy gets diffused into the lower energy at the intersection of the rivers. You also see how they still remain separate, like planes exist in contact, can be contained in each other, remain separate, but there are also boundary zones. Each of these ways of relating two planes is really dependant on your point of view or what relationship of different planes you want to put emphasis on.

The car is your vehicle of consciousness you go exploring in. Your inner senses also perceive in such clarity that you can see how energy behaves in ways your water analogy does not. The fact that you can discern clear and less clear when it comes to energy shows also inner sense awareness.

Cheers,
Oliver

[Korpo]

Hello, istia.


Im finding/inventing? a science-fiction-like machine which is a kind of "translator" and also "storage-box" and also likely a "combine-machine". There are 2 people who had NDE experience, but they dont know each other yet. One is the friend I had a conflict with in the recent past and the other is a kind of new fellow whom I know only little (but I know that as well he as also my old friend have had both an NDE in youth) So I have this machine and try with that to connect both man and mainly both man`s nde-experiences, so they can exchange it properly. But this only will work if the one (not much known) guy would first speak/think (telepathically-like) his experience very strongly into this machine. Before I awoke I wonder if he would be able to do this in the needed concentration and endurance.

Seems like you want to do an energy exchange. Each lesson or bit of learning is an energy transformation, as machines usually transform some form of energy (the fuel or power) into work - information into working knowledge. Like extracting the lesson out of an experience.

You see how one person has extracted learning and meaning out of an experience and the other did not. You're now looking for an energetic way to transform the later person's understanding energetically/telepathically onto your friend.

The 6th chakra or third eye is also called the command chakra. It is related to transmitting commands from teacher to student in Yoga traditions, but also connected with telepathy in general and all kinds of transmission, with analysis and possibly also with one-pointedness and control (as in concentration). This would be the mechanism of what you are trying to achieve, I guess, a telepathic-energetic knowledge transmission.

The key to the experience is really that you not only want to connect the guys, but really the experiences themselves. You want to transfer what one man could draw from his experience to the other who couldn't, the transformation/translation process itself (translator) that distills the stored experience (storage box), so that the combination thereof (combine-machine) can transform your original friend as well in a desirable way that you saw in your new acquaintance.

Cheers,
Oliver

[istia]

Wow thank you Korpo, there is a lot in what you say, feels really insightful and i`ll meditate and reflect more on that...

best greetings, nani

[istia]

Dream: 13.12.10
There is an absolutely beautiful landscape (looks a bit like a real german forest nearby my town) with not too high mountains and hills. In this landscape there are several castle-like farmsteads hightened and lying several kilometres apart from each other. The main-buildings of each are looking like a huge circus-tent, but strongly made of ancient stone and perfectly round.
Then Im at one castle-farmstead, meeting a soul-friend (SX) and giving and presenting him a branch of a cherry-tree which has white blooms and which I had taken along from my journeys through this landscapes.
Then something funny (maybe first retrospectively) happens: Im singing a loud and strong: “La lala LALALA” (don’t remember the exact order) and this singing is supposed to be a “coded” message which I shall just deliver from a female soul-friend (MX) to SX. I don’t know what this message concretely contains as im neither interested nor supposed to know what the content is, because my purpose and task just is to be a vessel or singing-bearer for this coded message.

a note to the castle-scene: last Friday I the first time heard about that my grandpa was a freemason- so maybe this somehow also has contributed to my dreaming.

[istia]

and I now see a kind of same meaning/symbol in this dream as also you, Korpo, have said and assigned in some aspects to my other 2 dreams before, in that again here (in my singing-bearer-task) I do connect 2 different beings/themes/attributes with each other which could be reflecting an inner ambiguous energetic condition and as well has a synchronicity to an occurrence in reality on a soulsister-level as also to a recent incident on a more personal relationship-level.

[Korpo]

Hello, istia.

Music is one way to encode energy transformations. There's a hidden meaning in music that does not need to be decoded to be taken in. If your inner senses are sufficiently open, or if you are especially strongly attuned to the specific music, the composer or the musician, the meaning can be taken in directly. To the aware, music can be a direct transmission of information.

On the other hand, in nonphysical reality, if you transmit something without taking note of the content, you're probably transferring a pattern, archetype or shape. If your emphasis is on the actual content that is one thing. But if your emphasis is not on the content, it's kind of like telling a parable to convey an understanding. The actors of the story are not important, but the pattern and structure of the story are to convey a higher form of understanding - a generic pattern of similar situations, for example, and a common solution that can be applied.

By singing out "Lalala" you were kind of saying "don't mind the words" but the actual music, the actual energy. You were kind of transmitting only the energy, a form of direct transmission.

The mountains and hills depict as a plane. Planes in nonphysical reality have different levels, and different levels of elevation can depict this relationship. The fact that the mountains were "not so high" might represent that you have good overall access to this plane. If it takes special effort or an unusually calm mind for you to navigate a plane, tall mountains would be probably used as symbol, for example.

The farmsteads could denote that these are zones related to certain areas of growth (farming). (BTW, the forest probably denotes the same for the whole plane.) The castle structure with an inner keep and outer walls denotes these areas as clearly separate from the surrounding plane, maybe fully isolating what's going on inside from the outside. Walls can keep either someone out or in.

A cherry tree branch reminds me of Japan. There might be something similar in Japanese culture to this little ritual. Maybe that can help decoding this. Giving somebody an item in nonphysical reality can be like giving what Kurt calls an "energy information packet" or Monroe calls a "ROTE."

Cheers,
Oliver

[istia]

first of all I wonna say this is like ringing bells, I dont know if Im able to express right in englisch but all you say is kind of at the same time touching several different realities and layers within, so a big thank you Oliver, to depict your understanding and insights to this. I would like to understand better the whole "ground-floor" so to say of how you come to know or say this or that but main thing is that again it very strongly echos within what you`re saying.

I have investigated a bit on that "Rote" of Monroe, which I hadnt heard of before and found out some connection to kind of "multiple perception" (and of course more but that was one meaning I found which immediately jumped into my eyes) Amazingly this is one thing I forgot to mention, but had written it in the very early morning in my dream-book: that while all dreaming I kind of perceived all what was happening at the same time. There was not this seperation of time or space which usually occurs in dreams which for me does express that it was a special or "big" dream of sort as from my intense feel as well.


You were kind of transmitting only the energy, a form of direct transmission.

I believe so too.
Though I wouldnt neccessarily say that I "transmitted" but rather say that mydream-I _pointed out_ that there IS an energetic connection- anyway if there is verbal or mental clear communication or not (between the 2 aspects, if insidely symbollically meant only, or at the same time also exterior as this 2 people are existing in real and in my eyes doing or meant to exchange some things)
Do you also think that we-in-our-soulbodies do simultaneously to earth-reality work constantly on an energetic level with all or some others souls in the astral?

i`ll open another post to continue as i have soem technical prob to see what i write after a certain length. Greetings.

[istia]

The castle structure with an inner keep and outer walls denotes these areas as clearly separate from the surrounding plane, maybe fully isolating what's going on inside from the outside. Walls can keep either someone out or in.

Im still wondering about what that could mean... while dream-journeying I was not in the castles, only saw them from outside (like from somewhere up with a wide view over the big land) and somehow "knew" that different kinds of societies/clusters would inhabit, while I more was a kind of wanderer in-between-all.. so I guess thats kind of my theme: trying to connect, not isolate... although a certain kind of inner delimination always is needed as long as we are individual-souls...


There might be something similar in Japanese culture to this little ritual
yes for me too this whitercherrybranche makes me associate a symbolic rising of asian tradition which besides Im a martial-artist mainly for me expresses spiritual respect and also honour.

Im very interested in finding this about "energy information packet" of Kurt.. I have read all what was written the last weeks by him but could you give me a closer hint where to find especially this?

Best Wishes, Istia

[Korpo]

Hello, istia.


Im still wondering about what that could mean... while dream-journeying I was not in the castles, only saw them from outside (like from somewhere up with a wide view over the big land) and somehow "knew" that different kinds of societies/clusters would inhabit, while I more was a kind of wanderer in-between-all.. so I guess thats kind of my theme: trying to connect, not isolate... although a certain kind of inner delimination always is needed as long as we are individual-souls...

My guess would have been that you saw a plane, and the homesteads were the individual zones of specific purpose within it. According to Kurt in his book "Otherwhere" such zones are separate from the rest of the plane as the zone itself serves a specific purpose.

In case of what he calls the "Dream Zone" the challenge for most people is to get out and range freely within the wider astral plane. This cannot be done for example while one carries unresolved emotion from the day into the dream state. The Dream Zone serves the purpose of releasing that energy.

After releasing such energies you might move about on the wider plane. When you directed your attention to one of the zones you might have entered it, got absorbed into it and your experience continued within that specific zone.


Im very interested in finding this about "energy information packet" of Kurt.. I have read all what was written the last weeks by him but could you give me a closer hint where to find especially this?


His recently released book "The Multi-Dimensional Human" will contain information about that IIRC.

Cheers,
Oliver

[istia]

Ahh feels I comprehend more now, very interesting!
Much Thanx and also for the Read-Tips!
Best wishes, Istia.

[istia]

CD-Work:
Got my first progress in feeling since a very long time the vibes and all these prä-obe-sensations again, which i find so great and exciting.
Yesterday started with the last CD. Already with the others before I got aware that much more lively dreams were arising again but this yesterday was even more.
A bit I was wondering about that the relaxing-part was leading deeper and deeper, like going down stairways and such... I felt a bit like: oh well lets see wherto this will lead me (as i know that subconsciously there might be still some unresolved conflicts which may first come up)
I guess that was what then leaded into intensely dreams. (and also the fact that i could not stay awake till the end of the spoken words which would lead up again, i guess... hm?, but i`ll try and see tonight)
So my dreams which were interrupted but continuing though, were again about something *connecting* though this time it was not me connecting others, but a friend of mine connecting me to another friend whith whom i had conflict in the past, reoccuring over and over it seems, therefore not yet entirely released i guess)
So, to make it shorter... I met SX who just was into a total-rebuilding of a skyscraper... he just made a rest when i was passing and we sit together and laughed a lot... then MX came and i wondered that she also is here in this what seemed like backyardgardens...and then she said: i can show you someone more who is here... i thought, hm?... and wondered that she lead me directly to another little backyardgarden where i see BX (past concflicts)... MX went away with twinkling eyes... and we both stood there 15 meters apart like frozen first.... then we went toward the other and huged... then we talked quite seriously while sitting on a table... somewhen he grapped my hand over the table, kind of saying: enough serious talk, lets now forget about the difficult past... then one more old soulfriend FX appeared also in these backyards, which all seemed connected... she laughingly said: hey lets go to an opera tonight!... then she sings smilingly loud out an oper-like melodie.... its a fine and friendly atmossphere.

oh and there was one more dream in which i appear with naked brusts, but then my music-partner came to give and help me to bind a shawl or something around my brust, so i was not anymore naked.
i get the picture... is my heart or my brust or anything like this to wide open or not enough protected? but why protect it in the first place?... :roll:

[istia]

nice to have some free time to read more posts around here... and just some notes:
I love these CDs absolutely and it still feels like im getting nearer to poject again...
I have a new friend who is so very interested into dreaming and all this.. so i proposed to meet us and just told him how we could focus on that and it worked!... over and over Im so excited about this because it somehow always works if there is sympathy and trust and a deep want to just DO IT... its really amazing and such an ecstatic thing that we all have the ability to realize whatever dream-focus and target we have... all can be proved to anybody if one really wants and does put effort and investigation into it.

best celebrations and feasts for all to get healthy and happy into the other year :)

[istia]

dream: my girl-friend came to visit me in my home. When she came in, she wondered that a bunch of people/friends were already sitting in my backyard and that obviously they/we have had already intense processes between each other going on (like on spiritual/obe- seminaries which I used to have meetings also in my house) She first had thought i was alone at my house, hence was a bit surprised and shy in the first moment.

healthy and happy new year to everyone here! :)

[CFTraveler]

You too, istia.

[istia]

Thank you CFTraveller :)

yesterday before sleep I`ve read here the replies in K.Lelands thread and thought about several things more, intensively also about my next dance-project.

Dream/Dom:
Im up a mountain in a seminar-house... there is no leader for the kind of trance-dance-seminary, we`re about 6-8 people and leading ourselfves by ourself... doing trance-dance-thingys (like i know from dancetherapy/authentic-movement) with closed or with a sheet bounded eyes... moving far, distant and open as another time also the limbs tide and movements closed... also contact-impro, touching each other is a part of this free-style-movements... we are body-painted, red, black and also grey tuned as by ash... im just in the middle of getting into trance of a narrow movement as a guy from the other side of the room jumps to me, taking my head in both his hands and talking intensively into my ears, talking into my mind... usually this kind is without speech, but as its always free i first think Ok thats a part of the flow... but then it feels uncomfortable more and more... this guy feels much to near to me, i dont like it anymore... so then i very sudden move my head to one side (without changing the narrow position of my arms or anything) and bite him... its not really biting, its more like snap him fast but not heavy into his right shoulder... which also consists a kind of snap-sound...
In that moment i awake, widely and promptly as i only know from what i call Dom...

I then stood up, walked around, went back to bed with the focus to go back into this scene and dream further...
Indeed i found myself walking up this same mountain and arriving up there... but then my cat made such a noise in real that i awoke and could not anymore concentrate to remember what further happened rrrr :(.. but anyway, it felt interesting! :)
Now im wondering if this guy was a dream-character or if this was a simulation (do not yet entirely understand the term) or if it just was because i thought about my dance-project, which is something coming up again after a while of not performing or teaching (mostly for younger people) such things... on the other hand, a certain dream-interpretation view maybe would say the guy could be my "mind" trying to convince me of something... pouh, so many possible meanings or messages ;)

[CFTraveler]

To clarify the term:
When you have been in a plane and are about to shift up to the next plane (can be private dream to RTZ, or RTZ to astral, or private dream to collective astral, for example) your higher self/guides or even your own mind will create a scenario that has the characteristics of the next plane and challenge you in some way.
This is called a simulation, not because it's 'fake', but because it is not the complete next plane, but a combination of the one you've been in and the next one'- you sort of test yourself to see how you'll do, and from these simulations will come growth to actually go to the next plane (or however you describe the step-up). A sort of 'probie' state for the next level.

Does this help?

[istia]

yes this helpes, CFTraveller, thanks a lot! And in a sense it even sounds a bit like what I call DOMs, which for me always have several characteristics of as well (normal)dream aspects as well as Obe-Feel- or Abilities. Though I presage there`s quite a Difference which I first will have to know better by observing furtheron my dreams from varied angles which are still quite new for me, but doubtless absolutely fascinating. More than that cause I increasingly feel my Energybody reacting in daytime-reality, like Vibes are traversing me each time Im reading something I feel is true in that it echos own experiences within, seems vast truth :) Greetings.

[istia]

Last night I had many dreams but while frequently awaking I didnt decide to write them down, although I had planned to. Tough one scene I remember clearly, that was that I dreamed to klick on our german forum and saw there a title of a post (or even a title of an under-forum, as it was seen instantly by opening) which showed an emailadress of an obe-friend. This adress includes an expression like *bow* which for me could have several meanings, but ok first of all I of course just wrote to this emailadress of this friend in real, to see if there is maybe anything we should exchange.

I`d made a pause with listening to the CDs, but will start again tonight. Right now Im in vacations after a long time, which is very nice, even though my ears and throat are a bit enflamed and I can not do much - but so this is best time to just relax and read around here! :)

[istia]

Before sleep I`d read a very lot here around, also did re-read the first 6 pages of Kurt L. and also did again the MAP-CD.

In the dream (after other things I dont rememeber) I found myself with my ex-hubby holding each other very close while running up the huge stairways of a school- or justice-like looking building. All floors had big gangways to several sides and as higher as we got the darker it got till finally I was not any more able to see anything. We kept on running or very fast walking up holding us closer, kind of to give us courage and strength, and my ex like saying and me knowing: OK now comes the hard part, lets get through this!
There came kind of invisible Critters or astral beings flying and attacking us, specially me on my head and ears in throwing glas and water and all kind of things and at the same time screaming that it hurts. And they had animal like arms and fingers, long and thin, although they mainly were fluid-form.

We walked on and I even had a kind of inner laught, although I definitely felt challenged and attacked. After some more steps and time of this I somehow decided: Ok if this has to be then I dont wonna be just the victim. (I know from martial arts that you better never open up your chest to the aggressor, better stay closed, but) I consciously opened up my right chest side, taking my arm up and hitting around me trying to hit one of those flyers, while on the left still holding my ex and we kept walking on up.

In fact I dont know how we could see, but somehow I saw or maybe it was more feeling to see, anyway. We were at the last stairway to our destiny as all this happens and not long after I had opened up to show that Im going to "join the game" I awoke very sudden.

So what was the lecture of this dream?
Was the lecture to stay un-emotional, not reacting??
(what generally rather is not easy for me I have to admit)

As for symbols: I often call my exhubby my spirit-aspect (as he had a main and an early influence on my spiritual growth)

Maybe it also has to do with my current ear-probs a bit, because this screaming did quite hurt.

What I can say further is, that I yesterday was so impressed by reading that one should accept the conditions of a dream or obe-scene and then one could get further in learning about what the dream wants to point to or generally to learn more about our other-being on other-planes.
And this was kind of main-point in the dream, to accept to go up blind. At the same time it was very important, the unique goal to get up there.
Seemed like an important thing is awaiting us there.

Comments are welcome.

And so I now try to go into the same dream-scene and do it better 8)

in peace :)

[Korpo]

Hello, istia.

Going blind as you go upwards could denote that you were rising higher in vibration / plane / level than your current ability to translate back supports. My observation is that very often experiences end abruptly when reaching the verge to another level / platform / plane / stage, or start when descending downward from one.

This would mean to me that the part that was experienced after the ascent or before the descent is untranslatable at the current time and is simply not recalled at all. This results in an experience that either seems to start or end abruptly. Even "directly waking up" might not indicate that you awoke exactly at the end of the experience, but that what you remember at the point of awakening simply ended there because you had no capacity to recall it. That is one possibility.

Another possibility is that you got sidetracked by engaging with aspects that would sidetrack you from your goal of ascending towards this plateau, stage or state of consciousness. By getting sidetracked you would have lost focus and had not the experience your intentions set you up for when the DOM started. You would wake up then because you "broke" the experience by getting sidetracked, losing the state of mind necessary of pulling through towards the goal.

The attacking critters may as well have been critical or judgemental self-aspects you experience as "attacking you." Such self-defeating aspects can significantly upset your peace of mind and prevent attaining higher states of consciousness, something you could almost consider thought vandalism.

Your ex husband could well have been a guiding entity. The embrace is to express that he was sustaining and supporting your state of consciousness, supporting your ability to reach your goal and pull through to a state where you could "push through" to a state of consciousness or energy body you are usually not able to get at. The helper would then "lead the way" where your own inner senses can't (the blindness). The resulting experience would be for example of a higher body than you usually experience to jumpstart its own process of development and unfolding.

Having said that I think that all that would have been required would be to trust in his guidance and pull through with him, by and large ignoring the self-aspects that try to distract you. They can cause you no real harm, just disturb your peace of mind and inner clarity - both a serious matter but also no real harm as in "damage" - hence your ambivalence about it.

Such self-aspects "starve" if they don't get attention. Attention is energy, and behaviours not fed by either endorsing them or getting upset about them will over time diminish and "wither away." Fight and confrontation, however, prolong them as they invest energy. Hence the benefit of meditation on an object. It is not required to fight intruding thoughts. Just return your mind to the object of meditation, and naturally no energy will be directing towards distracting thoughts. Getting upset with distracting thoughts, however, will not lead into meditation nor help overcome them.

Cheers,
Oliver

[istia]

Hi Korpo, all you say sounds absolutely reasonable and true for me, thanks a lot for this!
I usually do read such replys many times over again as I found out that I still can find deeper understanding within the more often I read it, but already all echos, like all this:
"sidetracked by emotions and/or mental/citical judgment or thoughts;
no current ability to raise higher;
ex-husband as guiding entity/or symbol;
better let such self-aspects starve and not feed it with energy/emotion/thought"

what Im quite sure about is that I awoke with a very sudden stroke. That is like I only awake from Doms, really deeply from inside - as the lecture (for this time) is a kind of over, i assume.
But as I said I choosed to re-entry into the Dom and I did.
But first I wonna say, that I met today with my Ex, told him about my dream and we talked such a lot about Theosophie. He knows such a lot about that and I have read and known once all that too, but I forget so many things unfortunately. Anyway, it was great to speak and remember all the history how Theosophy came to live, from where and what and what amazing woman, Besant, Blavatsky and all these were too. And also how Theosophy once raised of the later Buddhism which raised of Hinduism and this of the Veden, gosh Im always impressed and so inspired when I get reminded again and aware of all this.

Now the continuing Dom from last night:
Me and my Ex we are again at a big school-like house. But this time we are leaded by an ealder man. While walking up with him the stairways which are a bit smaller than the ones from last Dom, he shows and explains us a lot (which i dont rememeber) and also by example we are shown some things to understand better (whatever that was what we should understand, i can not yet sum up this any how). So on the top of one of these stairways he shows us a man, saying that we shall watch what he is or does. I look at the man, he is lying there beside a banister, like in koma or totally drunk, at least absolutely out of control i think. Suddenly this man stands up and bows his body over the banister and let hinself fall with a screem into the depth. Im just wondering.
Then from a mix out of what I wrote down in the night and still remember I only can describe roughly that: we moved on to other kind of besided and smaller stairways which lead more up and to higher levels than the banister-man-level was.
Thats all I can remember, but must say that I have no clue till now what this example of this guide should teach me... so if you or anybody has any further ideas or view to look at it, this would be greatly appreciated.

best wishes, Istia

[Korpo]

Hello, istia.

The situation of the man could be this: He wasn't able to maintain clarity or be conscious at this level. So he opted "to drop out" of this level altogether to a much lower level. People sometimes find themselves on levels they cannot fathom yet, but experience some time there and then "drop back" where they have more conscious dreams and adventures they will recall.

(When you have an alcoholic or heavily drunk / generally not sane person you call the clear moments "lucidity." This might have bearing on the situation. So, a slumped, potentially drunk person might have been "not lucid.")

Might as well be that before you opted to reenter the dream you had a similar experience. This time you were accompanied by a senior guide, as opposed to somebody you would classify much closer to your own age. More clarity ensued, and also information about the events was transmitted (what he said), but has not yet translated back to waking consciousness. It is however not lost, it will - I think - have effect on developing your self on the other side.

Cheers,
Oliver

[istia]

Again big thanks for your help!

and just 2 more questions for now:

1. do you think this drunk man is an aspect of myself? (who lost or doesnt at all have any consciousness, so to express this he/me jumps to the lowest plane so to say)

2. would it be possible at the same time to go further up with this older guide? (like a split-effect, like one part of myself, the drunk man, (btw: I dont drink any alcohol since many years ;)) looses power of consciousness entirely and the other part within me walks on up, even if the only remembrance is how this upper stairways looked)

seems a bit complicated for me at the moment, but ok there are anyhow miracles over miracles referring to dreamworlds, right :)

greetings, Istia

[Korpo]

Hello, istia.

I was about to suggest that the man could have been a self aspect, yes.

Cheers,
Oliver

[istia]

very interesting, one more thanks Oliver, I`ll contemplate about that!

best wishes, istia.

[istia]

yippy i`ll join the PAPI :)))))

here my dreams which I assign to DOM as several aspects like: deceised person; astral-want; dream-meet-intent-realisation was fullfilled. These are from 3 days ago and I concentrated on meeting with some obe-fellowers and usually such a plan activates my energy-body a lot:

1. Depth of earth
I met one of the fellows I wanted to meet and another one (but not sure if this was the second one or just a stranger)
Dont rememeber what exactly we did, but it was very deep down our earth where we met. The feel of this secene was natural and relaxt.

2. Gate/Door
Im in the old flat of my grandma which had passed some years ago. I then try to get out through a window by moving astral through it. But it doesnt work somehow. That makes me wonder cause Im sure that there once definitely was a kind of gate/door where one could pass through. I tried several times, also to get through the wall besides the window and I somehow got in but not through. After quite permanent attempts I then did let go and think like: ok, not yet found the path through but doubtlessly I know that there IS a gate and I will re-find it!

[Sinera]

2. Gate/Door
Im in the old flat of my grandma which had passed some years ago. I then try to get out through a window by moving astral through it. But it doesnt work somehow. That makes me wonder cause Im sure that there once definitely was a kind of gate/door where one could pass through. I tried several times, also to get through the wall besides the window and I somehow got in but not through. After quite permanent attempts I then did let go and think like: ok, not yet found the path through but doubtlessly I know that there IS a gate and I will re-find it!
Were you lucid then? Possibly, you should ask for a guide to help you then. That might work.

[istia]

Hi Volgerle, no I was not lucid, at least not as i think you and others do understand being lucid. It was just my intent from real-day-life that was taken into the dream (in meeting the others) and then in the second dream (i call it Dom, because it is a non-luzid dream, but has OBE-themes like astral moving through things and such) i did not put in question to be luzid or not (maybe similar to your mirror-dream) but just did what I-in-real generally wish to do: to walk through walls, find (my?) astral gates, fly and all such. So thats the differentiating point here maybe. Luzid generally means that you know that you are dreaming. But what is and how to call it, if one (by intent before sleep, which i not often do) DO in a dream what I would like to do in the real-I which thinks of likes to go through walls and explore the unknown? Is it maybe just that I dream of obeing or just dream in symbols a reflection of my want of generating the real and right astral-energy-body? Its all possible. I just wonder why I so often get in dreams what I intended, but in the same time can seemingly not generate the needed consciousness to do and appreciate my success of intent-realisation in Lucidity. Nevertheless I see such experiences as success.
Sorry if that all is a bit complicated expressed, would be even hard to explain for me in german ;)
Thanx a lot for your reminder to connect the HigherSelf - thats indeed something which is most important and surely helps to find my path! :)

Best wishes!
Istia

[istia]

Wonna just report that Im deeply impressed by the amount of knowledge Robert, Bob and Marina are offering us in this great and profound Online-Course. Already questions I carried for many years are answered; I got aware of energetic blockages and old patterns which hindered me from development; excellent ways and excercises are shown to work on practical progress; Release already took place in my energy-body which leads me to experience a new freedom and intensity of my own energy. Really wonderful.

[Sinera]

Wonna just report that Im deeply impressed by the amount of knowledge Robert, Bob and Marina are offering us in this great and profound Online-Course. Already questions I carried for many years are answered; I got aware of energetic blockages and old patterns which hindered me from development; excellent ways and excercises are shown to work on practical progress; Release already took place in my energy-body which leads me to experience a new freedom and intensity of my own energy. Really wonderful.
just out of interest, who's Bob and Marina?
and how time-intensive is the PAPI course? How much time do you have to invest in it per day/week, etc.?

[CFTraveler]

Bob and Marina Felix. Bob Felix worked in the engineering of the hemi sync audio tapes with Robert Monroe. I think they still work a the TMI.
The PAPI is an online workshop that consists of videos, reading and interaction with Robert and the Felixes and has it's forum, where you get your doubts clarified, talk to others that are doing it also, and you can make it as intensive as you want to. You can go at your own pace and get lots of time to catch up if you need to.
More information: http://www.glidewing.com/astraldynamics/papi_home.html

[istia]

Thanks for answering to Volgerle, CFTraveler.

Else, I just can say that I recommend everyone to take part at PAPI as for me it was and still is such impressionable, for me its just revolutionary. The guidance of energy-work and Obe-practice is terrific and I never before have learned and understood so much about the energy-body, OBE and the coherences. My experiences of increasing and moving energy consciously is new and much deeper than any time before. My dream-recall has increased amazingly and there is a clearer consciousness in all my experiences. The journey goes on and Im very joyful to have finally found this quintessential balanced surrounding and holistic guidance consisting of many different aspects whichof each is conforming with my own authentic life-experience- and -aim.
I will keep update on my progress from time to time and wish all the best for everyone!

Istia

[Sinera]

CFT & Istia,
thanks you two for the info.
When I asked I was considering to try it out. I might at a later date indeed, but now it is too early for me (for organisational reasons, I might do it when I am on a longer vacation again). Your description and the comments of other participants really sound promising. I really would need a good boost with a thing like this, because - although I have grown into a good dreamer in the meantime - I am still such a damn lousy lucid projector. :wink:
But does 5 weeks mean that after 5 weeks you lose access again to the account (including videos, chat etc.)?
Cheers
Volgerle

[istia]

hi everyone, hi Volgerle, I still enjoy very much to be in this Papi-community, although I have concentrated much more the last month on some creative-earth-projects and have had not much time to be in any of my favourite forums. So anyway best you ask all directly to the organizers but I guess you surely have done so already as a while has passed yet, my lord, time does pass by like a shooting star, isnt it ;)
Have had some impressing Doms, even though mostly with not so nice contents like connected (in my view) to fukushima and such kind of world-events and just 2 night ago I had an experience again, but not a Dom, just a dream, though it felt more like a sort of collective dream, cause in the same night a friend of mine dreamed very similar things, but anyway I also think that any dream always has a relation to me myself too.
Dream: I like to take a bath in an ocean, like baltic sea, go into the water, see some dead fishes and first think: oh, but ok this can happen. Then I go deeper and see more dead fishes and wonder: what the heck is going on here. Then I go further deeper and then kind of *see* that the whole worldwide surrounding ocean is filled up with only dead fishes, the entire water of earth is a huge grave of dead fishes... Im appalled, disgusted, horrified and deeply sad and just paddle with my arms to get as fast as possible out of this tomb... nothing nice, but somehow potentially real, isnt it...

istia

[Sinera]

..that the whole worldwide surrounding ocean is filled up with only dead fishes, the entire water of earth is a huge grave of dead fishes... Im appalled, disgusted, horrified and deeply sad and just paddle with my arms to get as fast as possible out of this tomb... nothing nice, but somehow potentially real, isnt it... istia
unfortunately yes, it is :cry: I wish you some better and nicer dreams, istia
.. and it's good to have you back on the AD forums again!!! :D

[istia]

thanx for your warm welcome back and nice wishes, Volgerle :) in real Im in one of my most creative periods of life and besides Im touched (and I let myself being touched) by world and collective events I myself feel really good. Also I see very wonderful things between people and positive movements all around the world, so I guess its just true that light and shadow somehow belong together, at least from the view and sense of duality we are still in. Even though it is not all nice or positive I like to take part and experience all what is, to enjoy being human :)

btw, looking forward to read your latest interesting dream-posts more in detail when back from vacation.

[istia]

hi all, glad to be back again after vacation and had just tonight an amazing dream (which I call dream-obe-mix, because it was sooo free and wild and warm and wonderful :)
My flight-dragon was there. I was with one more person travelling on the dragons back flying through spaces of different kind, whichof I do not have detailled remembrance, but the flying I remember so well and what was most beautiful was to feel my dragons reliance, he was always waiting, charming and he just was so amazing. It was (like) a part of me myself. Each time we stopped somewhere and then started again I was just jumping on his back near his throat and then whooo we went up again.
After this was seemed a long journey I awoke several times and several times I dreamed again of my flight-dragon, but in each further dream I just tried to paint him, to show how he looks and how he is, his mouth and teeth, his back, his reliability, his warmth and our amazing union.
In the following dreams I could not manage to paint him right, aber I got him clearly in my mind. And heart :)

[Beekeeper]

Beautiful! Wish I had a dream dragon friend.

[istia]

Thank you for sharing Beekeeper and surely you have such a friend too and surely you have met it, but maybe in different forms.
The latest animal-dream-meeting I remember was a mouse and as funny as it sounds but this was (and I feel again and again also is) a kind of my power-animal too. And there werde snakes and dogs and bears in the past too, seems like always referring to the period Im in at this time. And sometimes I could not accept an energy, which I found expressed in that i.e. a (little ugly) snake did bite me and such, but then later (when I seemingly was able to integrate this certain energy) appeared as a huge, honourable and wise snake. Its just all so interesting, isnt it :)

[istia]

good example for one of my normal dreams:
(in real yesterday I saw a movie about a female dancer who just had started a successful career and then had an accident, so she could not dance professionally in that way anymore)

dream of tonight:
Im with this female-dancer and Im, like a tailor, cutting ropes and beautiful clothes in different and crazy individual manner, so to say inventing new styles and creations of dancing-clothes.

and I think the reason Why Im dreaming this, is:
because a certain part of my personal dveloppment was quite similar.

[Beekeeper]

Thank you for sharing Beekeeper and surely you have such a friend too and surely you have met it, but maybe in different forms.

A couple of awesome dreams with whales and bears. A three-eyed hamster the other night! :lol:

[istia]

whales, how wonderful, I never dreamed of those incredible animals. And a three-eyed hamster as well sounds very special to me, and very spiritual :)

in the meanwhile I had one nice dream of a baby, on its way to be born with stretched arms like a head first jump into the water ;)
and last night I dreamed something weird but in a way it was very mystical and felt like something from the outer zone, in short:

2 couples and a single (older female) person were visiting my home, my living room. I somehow had to place them at specific places in this room (a bit like a "Famileinaufstellung" dont know in english, created by Bert Hellinger). So I did put one couple on a bed which is left side near the window, put the older lady right cross in the middle of the room and on the right side (where is the heating and my little music-studio) I put the other couple, whereby the man not yet had arrived. But then this man ringed my bell and I was joyous and we were laughing and I did lead him then to his place at+with his female partner.
What was conspicuous to me, was that the light+shadow in this dream changed several times, so in between our place-finding-actions it was sometimes dark and sometimes the light went on.
And what was amazing too, is that when I awoke sudden and wide from this dream in the middle of the night and stood up to go to the toilet, passing my living room, I felt strong presence of such kind of dream-beings in my living room, which might be natural but very seldom occurs to me like that. Find this interesting.

[Korpo]

Hello, istia.

People in your life can exert energetic influences. The combination of these influences can "move around" and pull you into situations that you need to experience. It would be as if you were in the middle of a web of influences maneuvering around. Yet on another level you cooperate and even help matching these influences where they need to be at times.

When you walked past the living room, you were still entranced enough (asleep enough) to be with the experience and overlay it on your experience of the physical which you had used as background. At that level of being overlaying your physical experience at that point those influences seem and feel real and have presence.

Cheers,
Oliver

[istia]

Thanks for your reply, Korpo.
"It would be as if you were in the middle of a web of influences maneuvering around. Yet on another level you cooperate and even help matching these influences where they need to be at times."
Yes, I find that very right. On one hand we as individuals are part of a web of energies.
On the other hand I additionally think that these figures are parts/expressions of my individual appearence. To me it now feels like: there are always several path`s one can choose and in my dream were so to say 3 ways to choose, whereby the couple to the left for me just represents the past, the single woman the past-to-present and the couple to the right the present-to-future. But of course only as _possibilities_ of probable development. Cool somehow how "I", my sub, has brought together all that in one picture and dream :)

Ah finally a little time to at least read some more here. Currently hard to catch up. Its a good but also fast time, wonder if it ever will slow down again, at least a bit would be nice ;))

All the best to All here!

[istia]

Around 10 days agi I had 2 interesting dreams ofwhich later I found out they were related to reality.
1. Dream: I met a friend and we went together over a big bridge.
In real: he called me the next day and told me that he had dreamed of me with a certain content which mirrored a certain inner feeling I had. Interesting as well is that he very rarely remembers his dreams and he directly asked me if I had dreamed of him too and then said that he clearly felt that I had dreamed of him too (although he is not into dream- or obe-philosophy very much, but he is medial which I could realize several times).
2. Dream: I meet another friend and I becme more and more worried because he does look totally drunk, desoriented, sad and out of any control. I really worry and ask myself what happened and if i could help him somehow.
In real: as well this friend (which I dont see anymore often, cause each of us went a bit another path, though still he is a soul-friend) then on the next day calls me, but it was almost a year that we didnt telephone. I asked why he calls me, like something must have happened. So he told me that his 20y. daughter (whomto the years before I had a good relation) now had gone on her own alone on a kind of world-travell, like back-pack and of course he now is worried, although now she would be old enough to do what she wanted. He/we also joked a bit around then buth then he said that he plans to get drunk this night. In this moment I fehlt a kind of `ah ok` and told him to dont do that, cause I would have dreamed exactly that and that this drunk condition just wouldnt be helpful in any case or sense. He then reacted like `ah ok`too and we agreed to meet someday soon again.

Seems like our Sub or HS or both connects us soul-humans by a very different view and level than our real-i but in an always fitting and very right time-space-zone.

[istia]

16-17th September-Dream
An atomic crash.
Im standing with my (dream)friend on a road, then we hear and see not far from us a big explosion. We know we only have little time to decide. I say: Come, lets go here in this bunker, its near and all my friends will be there too (I knew). He answered: No, I dont go with you in this bunker. Lets go to the other one, there in the woods. But t/his one was much further and with none of my friends/family. We stucked. It got clear that we have 2 different paths now.

Last night`s dream:
I see a young looking guy, he feels familiar and warm somehow and looks very friendly. Then I see his amazing horse. A horse I`ve never seen before. Very big and black and powerful and absolutely beautiful. This feels encouraging, like the energy of the horse somehow would stream towards me or I would connect to it.

[istia]

Merry christmas and happy new year to everyone in the community! Lets rock 2012! all always to the very best of everything! :)

Last night I had again the first clear in detail remembered dream after month (before I was too occupied with challenges+changes in reality)

(non-lucid)Dream:
Im in my house in my flat, but which is a bit higher, almost like first floor. Two friends are with me. Im looking out of the window and I know something is going to happen soon. Then I see and know that a big airplane is going to land in our backyard. (in real all people in my district are horrified by the new landing-road, which makes the airplanes be more and much deeper to our aerea). So I wonder about how the airplane could land in our little backyard without breaking its wings. Though I know this plane is not coming just from the sky but from outer space. I also know the pilot, somehow I know him (in the dream). Then I get more and more nervous and tell to the others: urgently! we have to check the "pressure-balance"!!!!" (dont know the word in english now but anyways did not understand even in the dream what I meant with that, (but it means something like when one comes from very high and speedy or the same like from diving very deep, then one has to make this to adjust the blood-circulation, anyway).
Then I run to my door, which now in the dream is like reaching into the air, without any stairways, like perfect for leaving a plane. Then I see the pilot and the machine are already landing, like hoovering right in front of my door. Both doors, the airplanes and my flat-door are open now and the plane is just around a meter apart from me. I wonder if I should wait a second before I act, but then I see the pilot coming out and right away jumping into my flat. Im very glad all went so well.

[CFTraveler]

Happy Holidays to you istia. I hope you had a great Christmas.

[istia]

Thank you CFTraveller! And so, now time to say: Happy New Year to you&all :)

Tonights Mask-Dream:
Im an old being, indian-like, living/working on several beaches. Im the *watcher/carer*. Im tall, thin and I can moove incredible fast, but its not by running and not by flying how i moove, just can`t say how. I moove and care for this place whereby the title of this dream somehow is: "back to my tribe" or "for my tribe"... as there are many several.
Most important and impressing for me is this Mask Im wearing and I wrote and even painted it in the night:
right side of my head is a bush of feathers which is reaching so to say from my back-neck around 50 cm up.
my left face side is (also from the backside but coming over the ear) covered by a huge yellow claw, like an eagle-claw. It is straddled, so i can see through it like through a grid.
In moving fast from beach to beach I do my task.
My nature is: vigilance.
A very strong and pictographic dream.

[istia]

dream before last night:
a person (i recently got to know in real) is hanging himself - in my house. Im first very worried and concerned for him, but then I realize that he is alive and just did like he would have hang him and that just to provoke me. Im very upset about this "power-game".
In real I then found a kind of further confirmation in how he spoke that he in a way is destructive and without respect towards me, even though we do know each other for quite a short time only.
With this dream in the back I then right away directly quitted this "friend"ship which just shortly had started. I felt and feel absolutely perfect with this decision and find it great to hear my inner voice speaking again through my energy-and-dream-body.

Dreams of course always have several possible layers, meanings and triggers and although this may mean many things more, this was the first and most applying meaning cause so intensively connected to this reality.

[Beekeeper]

I think this is entirely valid. We pick up information and process it subconsciously for our protection. I always see any kind of hanging dream as a severance/disconnect in the person identified between their heart and their head, including the way they express themselves. I wouldn't take what such a person says too seriously.

[istia]

Hi Beekeeper,

> I always see any kind of hanging dream as a severance/disconnect in the person identified between their heart and their head, including the way they express themselves.

wow! that sounds absolutely fitting and even does make something more clear to me now...

>We pick up information and process it subconsciously for our protection.

yes thats absolutely true... though I seem to look first too often just at the inner-diamond in each person, therefore sometimes avoid to see the shadow-aspects (like for a while yet an inner odd feeling somehow was rising but could not grab/understand it)... considering this, I could understand my dream-I also as a kind of *helper* to recognize and balance what I have missed to see or accept...

thank you, Beekeeper !! :)