Is Kundalini a sentient being?

[psionickx]

there are accounts of people worshipping Kundalini as a goddess or diety -- that leaves me wondering wether you treat K as a sentient entity or an inanimate type of body engery?-- as K seems once aroused does seem to have a definite agenda of its own

[Ouroboros]

Based on everything I've read, I would consider Kundalini to be an intelligent force. I can understand why some might worship it. I wouldn't go that far myself, but I would respect and honor it as a powerful - and living - energy.

[sleeper]

I doubt anyone will agree with me but i'll share anyway.

My experience with Kundalini differed considerably from what I'd heard about it and read about it, both before and since. in fact, my experiences differ quite a bit from what Robert has written about it and during the last year I've tried quite hard to figure that stuff out. In the short term, i would have benefited much more by meditating but in the long term, i realized that I'd benefit most by studying.

The first, as i see it, is that so little is known about kundalini even among the people who have had the pleasure(haha) of experiencing it many times. Of course there are secrets regarding the serpent of fire, in particular regarding the techniques used to awaken the serpent. so the language used to describe the kundalini event is not as precise as it should be. At times, it is likened to something else (metaphorically), at times it is called the Goddess (as it is in principle), at other times only the experience is described but in all cases, kundalini is a mystery and her descriptions are a riddle.

of course, that may not be a bad thing. As far as idolatry goes, it is a modern supposition by many skilled spiritualist that you must idol worship. so the picturing of kundalini as the goddess, and as the serpent, and as a riddle to be solved fits well in the modern model because us humans need an object to concentrate on during meditation and it ought to be an object that leads us to our goal of liberation. At least, that's what many modern Hindus think, among others. yogiraj gurunath siddinath has often said that "you must idol worship! (he says this in his youtube video titled: "was Moses wrong")."

Kundalini as the goddess is much more than an idol; she is a real mystery. clairvoyant viewed, she has often appeared to me as the caduceus, among other symbols, but always as a serpent in some form. i find this troubling, however, even if it is true because symbols, icons, riddles and idols are easily and often misinterpreted and misunderstood. Today, we have widespread use of the word "kundalini" and near zero understanding of it. I am completely opposed to the use of symbols as descriptors mostly because of that reason. A picture is worth a thousand words - but a thousand different words depending on the person who views it and that's why we don't convey ideas with pictures - because we each take our own meaning from what we see. i would much prefer people to describe their experiences (rather than communicate in symbols) with kundalini because experiences are very revealing and are not misleading.

But i break my own rules and call her the goddess all of the time; mostly because i'm intrigued by the mystery of her. As far as i can say, it goes like this:

we are like children who are helpless without our parents. Kundalini shakti is our mother and the goddess, who conceives of and nurtures our growth and attainment and perfection and who carries us up to the heavenly realm of the father. without her, we would never reach the father on our own and the father would never reach down to us and anoint us with his gift.

That is the mystery of enlightenment as well...but you asked about Kundalini. Kundalini as the Goddess is a mystery, a principle, a riddle and a metaphor. If you want to understand her, you must not see her as one thing but as each of those things and the best way to do that, is to seek her out and find her.

[CFTraveler]

I doubt anyone will agree with me but i'll share anyway.

My experience with Kundalini differed considerably from what I'd heard about it and read about it, both before and since. in fact, my experiences differ quite a bit from what Robert has written about it and during the last year I've tried quite hard to figure that stuff out. In the short term, i would have benefited much more by meditating but in the long term, i realized that I'd benefit most by studying.

The first, as i see it, is that so little is known about kundalini even among the people who have had the pleasure(haha) of experiencing it many times. Of course there are secrets regarding the serpent of fire, in particular regarding the techniques used to awaken the serpent. so the language used to describe the kundalini event is not as precise as it should be. At times, it is likened to something else (metaphorically), at times it is called the Goddess (as it is in principle), at other times only the experience is described but in all cases, kundalini is a mystery and her descriptions are a riddle.

of course, that may not be a bad thing. As far as idolatry goes, it is a modern supposition by many skilled spiritualist that you must idol worship. so the picturing of kundalini as the goddess, and as the serpent, and as a riddle to be solved fits well in the modern model because us humans need an object to concentrate on during meditation and it ought to be an object that leads us to our goal of liberation. At least, that's what many modern Hindus think, among others. yogiraj gurunath siddinath has often said that "you must idol worship! (he says this in his youtube video titled: "was Moses wrong")."

Kundalini as the goddess is much more than an idol; she is a real mystery. clairvoyant viewed, she has often appeared to me as the caduceus, among other symbols, but always as a serpent in some form. i find this troubling, however, even if it is true because symbols, icons, riddles and idols are easily and often misinterpreted and misunderstood. Today, we have widespread use of the word "kundalini" and near zero understanding of it. I am completely opposed to the use of symbols as descriptors mostly because of that reason. A picture is worth a thousand words - but a thousand different words depending on the person who views it and that's why we don't convey ideas with pictures - because we each take our own meaning from what we see. i would much prefer people to describe their experiences (rather than communicate in symbols) with kundalini because experiences are very revealing and are not misleading.

But i break my own rules and call her the goddess all of the time; mostly because i'm intrigued by the mystery of her. As far as i can say, it goes like this:

we are like children who are helpless without our parents. Kundalini shakti is our mother and the goddess, who conceives of and nurtures our growth and attainment and perfection and who carries us up to the heavenly realm of the father. without her, we would never reach the father on our own and the father would never reach down to us and anoint us with his gift.

That is the mystery of enlightenment as well...but you asked about Kundalini. Kundalini as the Goddess is a mystery, a principle, a riddle and a metaphor. If you want to understand her, you must not see her as one thing but as each of those things and the best way to do that, is to seek her out and find her. I actually agree with you, if for a different reason.
I have seen many people say "you're doing it wrong" or worse, "that's not Kundalini" because the description is too different from what they expect-experience it to be, and I find that this is not helpful, only antagonizing.

[sleeper]

...and I find that this is not helpful, only antagonizing.

yes indeed. i've been actually working on some models of the various things i've read and experienced re: kundalini. i would hope to write a book about it one day - but that's still far off. this winter, when i anticipate some changes in my life, i'll take the time to hammer out the details of the Goddess/Mother and in the spring, by april, the Father.

I'm going to give away one little (big) secret here: the real reason i think people have such trouble with kundalini (understanding her, raising her, etc.) is that they're guessing which techniques will work, and guessing what to expect, rather than properly assessing their current state of being. in other words, we all are at different places mentally, emotionally, physically - and using the wrong techniques at the wrong time can work to one particular person's benefit or detriment, depending on their needs.

also, kundalini raising techniques are kept secret secret secret...and i mean secret. what Americans know as "kundalini yoga" is of course different depending on who's teaching it, but it is mostly made of preparatory or purificatory postures that have nothing to do with raising K. the best hope for a person using modern methods is that they get to a point of purification such that they realize they need help and they seek out a teacher that can share with them the occult knowledge. personally, I think that is complete B.S. and i'd like to make it a point to make such information more widely available.

of course Robert could write his book and cover it all ad-nauseum. that would be cool. he's got a lot more experience and knowledge than me but our approaches and goals seem to be quite a bit different so even if he does write an epic book on K., there may still be a place in the future for me as well.

~Dale

[psionickx]

For K to be an intelligent force is understandable -- the dance of shiva and shakti takes certain paths and times .
But what im asking is that is the Kundalini Force by ITSELF sentient/alive? or is it simply just engery....say like flow of electrons or photons or chi in accupuncture that simply need a medium and circuit to complete flow .I'm asking this because in order to expedite K's arousal im thinking of adding invocational/devotional prayer to my meditative routine but herein lies the problem : If the illumination of light appeals to me should i start worshipping lightbulbs? :mrgreen: s

[Ouroboros]

Personally, I think Kundalini is alive and sentient.

[sleeper]

what im asking is that is the Kundalini Force by ITSELF sentient/alive? or is it simply just engery

are you alive? are you energy? are you simply just one thing?



....say like flow of electrons or photons or chi in accupuncture that simply need a medium and circuit to complete flow .
kundalini is a novel transformative life changing empowering confusing destructive creative woman. so she's kind of like all women *wink.
but she's not simple...not nearly as simple as electronics. maybe you could say that chi is like electricity, your body is like computer hardware, and kundalini is like an operating system update...or something. i dont' think that of her, because she's not like physical things as far as i can imagine. saying K. is like electricity is like saying that philosophy is like a book. philosophy is bigger than any book. it can not be so easily quantified.



If the illumination of light appeals to me should i start worshipping lightbulbs? :mrgreen: s
if you devote yourself to whatever appeals to you, you make yourself a target for commercialism and advertising, and miss spirituality completely. devote yourself to truth and meaningful activities regardless of whether they are appealing to you. ya dig?

[Jananz]

Grace comes in spades when kundalini is up. This in itself is worthy of many lifetimes of contemplation.

[Palehorse Redivivus]

I can vouch for the fact of kundalini being intelligent and sentient. This actually helped a lot in having it be a healthy and non-destructive process, because I was able to dialogue with it and get rid of a lot of the entrenched grandiosity from the religious thoughtforms, and have it play out my way. When they wake up, I'd strongly recommend dealing with it as something that can be worked and even dialogued with rather than something one submits to being blown apart by.

[Korpo]

also, kundalini raising techniques are kept secret secret secret...and i mean secret. what Americans know as "kundalini yoga" is of course different depending on who's teaching it, but it is mostly made of preparatory or purificatory postures that have nothing to do with raising K. the best hope for a person using modern methods is that they get to a point of purification such that they realize they need help and they seek out a teacher that can share with them the occult knowledge. personally, I think that is complete B.S. and i'd like to make it a point to make such information more widely available.

In my opinion the role of the teacher is an entirely different one. Occult techniques are - again in my opinion - overvalued, as are the secrets.

The benefit of having a teacher is to have someone who is where you want to go, who can act as reference point, who will give independent assessment and corrective input. It is my growing suspicion that with any technique, practice or field of spiritual study the potential for self-delusion is limitless. The teacher as a facilitator is a safety precaution and a booster, the knowledge of the teacher is transmitted into the student as the student becomes ready for it.

Knowledge cannot be only shared in books. This will always be misleading. Misunderstandings are recognised by the teacher and the teaching is refined according to the needs of the student.

Cheers,
Oliver

[ButterflyWoman]

I don't think of Kundalini as a "being", but I can see how people would experience it that way. The human mind tends to objectify and anthropomorphise pretty much everything, and we experience reality based on our own perceptions and beliefs.

Initially, I experienced Kundalini as what would traditionally be known as (and what I then thought of as) God, or perhaps the more feminine aspect of the Holy Spirit (yes, Christian tradition, and yes, it's feminine, but that's an entirely different discussion). Of course, I had no clue at all what was happening other than the vague notion that it was a healing process (took years to complete, too), but I did experience that which I regard as God, throughout the process.

My view of God is very different now (I no longer understand God in the sense of "a being" or "an entity"), and my view of Kundalini is with hindsight, so that does colour things considerably.

And, of course, the question must also be asked, what do we mean by "intelligent" or even "being"? And is it always the same for everyone? Is there some "objective" truth that can be stated about the nature of Kundalini? (My answers to those questions, btw, are "I don't know, and that's complicated", "No, obviously it is not", and "No, because we each experience our own reality in a subjective way, Kundalini, God, Holy Spirit, astral projection, materialism, or whatever, it's always subjective and it's always individual".)

[farewell2arms]

To me kundalini is a pal which I work with to develop consciousness. Is it someone else? Something separate from me? I don't know what's separate from me.

My part of the deal is to surrender, hers is beyond my understanding. But she's been taking great care of me, and for that I am grateful.

I would say that worshipping kundalini as a deity is a very unnecessary form of communication. She is there to help you and make you grow. Hubleness is probably a good approach but worship is in my opinion a time much better spent in facing ones own challenges.


John

[psionickx]

My part of the deal is to surrender, hers is beyond my understanding


very well said

[sibouleaux]

You might find my question a little bit arrogant, but my main purpose is to learn more on Kundalini. I apologize for the counter current thought that I will share!

Wouldn't it be more effective to work with her instead of workshiping her? We always tend to venerate what we don't understand, and I don't really agree with that. Fear and submission is in my opinion one of the worst characteristic of our race, and it is a barrier to understanding.

I do agree that we must respect highly advanced lifeforms, treat them with respect and so on. I see it like advanced alien beings suddenly announcing their arrival on Earth - it could be our creators, the Creators or other random creature. Would you prefer to work with them? Or would you assume that because they are more intelligent they need to be workshiped? Would you like your kid to workship you like you were a god? Most people will lock their home down, prepare for the end of the world.. close their minds to higher knowledge and wisdom.. but why?

I prefer the peaceful and cooperative approach rather than the religious approach of veneration and workshipping. My kundalini is a part of me that one day I will need to raise, help her, and respect like we do with an old person full of wisdom; keep the equal balance between me and my forces - treat her as if it was my most precious thing, my life energy.

Please explain me if you think I'm wrong.. I'm open to knowledge.

[CFTraveler]

You might find my question a little bit arrogant, but my main purpose is to learn more on Kundalini. I apologize for the counter current thought that I will share! I don't think it's a counter to what others have been saying- I think it goes right along what most people have been saying.


Wouldn't it be more effective to work with her instead of workshiping her? We always tend to venerate what we don't understand, and I don't really agree with that. Fear and submission is in my opinion one of the worst characteristic of our race, and it is a barrier to understanding. Agreed.


I do agree that we must respect highly advanced lifeforms, treat them with respect and so on. I see it like advanced alien beings suddenly announcing their arrival on Earth - it could be our creators, the Creators or other random creature. Would you prefer to work with them? Or would you assume that because they are more intelligent they need to be workshiped? I don't think a highly intelligent lifeform wants or needs to be worshipped- I think the more intelligent the more such a lifeform would be beyond the need or desire for worship, because worship is part of an egoic structure, and a sign of immaturity.

[psionickx]

interesting.

[CFTraveler]

He means worshipping her. It's what we've been talking about.

[sibouleaux]

He means worshipping her. It's what we've been talking about.

Exactly, thanks and sorry for the typo :roll:

[ButterflyWoman]

for me its to invoke and interface with another sentient being
So are you worshiping us? You've invoked us (or, rather, evoked us) with your question and you're interfacing with us via our responses. I assume we're all sentient...

:twisted:

That being said, I'll share something, but I don't know if it will make sense to you (or most people, actually). I'll try to keep it sensible, though.

Sentience exists. Sentient beings are specific extensions of Sentience. They are not actually separated and "walled off", but a part of the All. We who are self-aware are deluded into thinking we're separate and walled-off and that we're interacting with "other beings", but it's really all just part of the One.

If you, as a "being" who sees and experiences yourself as separate, want to personify and anthropomorphise Kundalini energy (which, by the way, is just a material-world label and explanation to describe certain kinds of experience), you can certainly do so, and it can certainly work. Kundalini can be experienced as an archetypical entity, and you can interact with that. No problem.

But the question of whether Kundalini (a label) is objectively separated as you imagine yourself and others to be, well.... That's not even a question that can BE answered, because of the underlying assumptions (namely: that reality is objective, that Kundalini is a specific thing or entity, that you and/or others are separate beings, etc.).

From my point of view, I say go for it. If you want to talk to "Kundalini as Goddness" (or however you envision it/her/whatever), do that, and see if it works for you. It's YOUR reality, after all, and while we all tap into the Collective Unconsciousness for a great deal of the framework of our reality, it's about as objective as a dream.

Now, if that made no sense whatsoever, that's fine. It's not something that's easily understood, let alone grokked. But there it is, for whomever ends up reading it, maybe via some random Google search or something, maybe some forum member who wanders into this thread and has an ah-hah moment, who knows. I felt like writing it, so I did.

[Tutor]

CPW,

I applaud your words. exactly!

when nescience lifts as if wings on the nothingness of winded air, then sentience is felt, yet it is nothing but re-membered innocense. oh yeah, i can fly, fancy that....and i dont even have to think to fly.

perhaps it ultimately is Mother/Goddess, yet as the ascending daughter of, it is lover for the descending son indwelling of us all; they, daughter and son, the parents/union for the child reborn, our ultimate arrival to where from we had begun. perhaps to say...androgynous regardless of physical revelation of gender. and it is important to see that it is not 'incestual' or 'bi-sexual' baser worldly nescient modes; but rather it is the higher of engendered being, the causal sentient being understanding in and of the effects that culminate sentient life as it is.

sumptin like that...

tim

[farewell2arms]

If you, as a "being" who sees and experiences yourself as separate, want to personify and anthropomorphise Kundalini energy (which, by the way, is just a material-world label and explanation to describe certain kinds of experience), you can certainly do so, and it can certainly work. Kundalini can be experienced as an archetypical entity, and you can interact with that. No problem.

Would this kind of interaction be more efficient or inefficent than the more subjetive kind (treating kundalini as non-separate)?

What is really interesting is that different realized people seem to interpret and shape their own reality in different ways. Normally I would expect (belief) that once you reach a certain point in development the ideas about reality that were false would crumble under the pressure of oncoming true reality, so to speak. But if there really were any "false" interpretations then all individual lives beyond a certain point in realization would look the same, and have the same interpretations. But that does not seem to be the case as everyone is unique.

So what would happen if you were unsure of how to interpret things? One thing that happens to me frequently is I feel that it's "wierd" to exist. It's very hard to explain, but I also feel there are "other" things, that everything could (be) "different". Does anyone have any experience with this?

John

[sibouleaux]

My general approach when I am unsure about something is I try to find reliable knowledge from different sources and analyse it and make my own idea about it.

For example, Kundalini can be seen through Robert's eye but that would be an incorrect approach of the subject in my opinion. All the knowledge is out there, and most of the time it is interpreted and translated for us to understand. I would here need to read eastern texts about K to have a more objective picture, and so on.

One thing I'm pretty sure is that we never entirely know until we experience it.

[ButterflyWoman]

Would this kind of interaction be more efficient or inefficent than the more subjetive kind (treating kundalini as non-separate)?
Just depends. Whatever works for you, works for you.


What is really interesting is that different realized people seem to interpret and shape their own reality in different ways.
Everyone does. It's nothing to do with realisation, really. It's just that as awareness expands, or, rather, attachments to ego-self lessen and dissolve, it's more obvious that we shape our own reality with our own thoughts, beliefs, etc. The mind still does this, pretty much always, but there's a point where you understand that you ARE doing it, and that's a big turning point.

I'm not personally convinced that it's possible to completely and entirely do away with the framework of the ego and the mind, or at least not on a permanent basis. You'd lose all reason to experience material reality, because what makes it interesting is the shading and shaping and colouring provided by the experience of an individual mind.

It's kind of like how you need to play a character to be in a play. You can't just wander around the stage and observe stuff. It ruins the whole thing. ;)


But if there really were any "false" interpretations then all individual lives beyond a certain point in realization would look the same, and have the same interpretations. But that does not seem to be the case as everyone is unique.
Yes, that's it. :)



So what would happen if you were unsure of how to interpret things?
Lots of things. Your reality can go all wobbly and weird, for example. And you can have existential crises of various sorts. You can get very disconnected and freaked out. Or it can be blissful beyond words, or a mixture of all of the above, and various other permutations. Eventually, it is to be hoped, you find some equalibrium and learn how to navigate in an environment without hard and fast rules and regulations and objective "truth".


One thing that happens to me frequently is I feel that it's "wierd" to exist. It's very hard to explain, but I also feel there are "other" things, that everything could (be) "different". Does anyone have any experience with this?
I used to. I've had all kinds of experiences similar to that. One of the weirdest was when I suddenly realised that the world as I knew it might be wholly made up by me. Everything I tried to find to prove it was "real" turned out to be bogus (like, say, history and archeology, maybe I made them up, too, and created the ancient artifacts to support the story of history). It didn't last long, but it freaked me right the heck out for a little while, to be sure.

I also went through periods of existential ennui where I'd just worry about what the point was and why things bothered to happen at all, etc. etc. A bit like depression, but it wasn't, it was just existential weirdness washing over me.

Eventually, my ego-self went "Okay, fine, whatever," and decided to stop trying to make things make sense. Occasionally, ego-self has a good idea... ;)

[psionickx]

:)

[ButterflyWoman]

the granmammy of all cliches :roll:
Oh, well, my apologies for offending you with my life experience. I don't suppose it's occurred to you that some things are often repeated because they're experiences and sentiments that are universal? Certainly, a lot of people just blah blah blah about stuff with actually knowing or having experienced it, but when I write, it's from my own, actual, realised life experience, not from some random thing I read in a book or on a forum or in a blog somewhere.

So, well, I'm sorry I used words you don't approve of to describe experiences that are, truly, beyond words. Yet another reminder to me that I should stop trying to put these things into words, and stop trying to tell people about these things. I keep getting hints and nudges, but for some reason, I keep trying.

However, I'll leave this thread now with my apologies for having offended.

[farewell2arms]

So, well, I'm sorry I used words you don't approve of to describe experiences that are, truly, beyond words. Yet another reminder to me that I should stop trying to put these things into words, and stop trying to tell people about these things. I keep getting hints and nudges, but for some reason, I keep trying.

Well, it's brought me forward and it's great to be here. For what it's worth.

[sibouleaux]

the granmammy of all cliches :roll:

Can you ellaborate instead..?

[Tutor]

the granmammy of all cliches :roll:
Oh, well, my apologies for offending you with my life experience. I don't suppose it's occurred to you that some things are often repeated because they're experiences and sentiments that are universal? Certainly, a lot of people just blah blah blah about stuff with actually knowing or having experienced it, but when I write, it's from my own, actual, realised life experience, not from some random thing I read in a book or on a forum or in a blog somewhere.

So, well, I'm sorry I used words you don't approve of to describe experiences that are, truly, beyond words. Yet another reminder to me that I should stop trying to put these things into words, and stop trying to tell people about these things. I keep getting hints and nudges, but for some reason, I keep trying.

However, I'll leave this thread now with my apologies for having offended.

nah, i disagree CPW. your words are right on. I don't get why "psionickx" is hawking your every word. he/she started this thread, and has got good folks sharing in it; only to end up acting disrespectful. this chosen action hasnt got a darn thing to do with you and your words.

ya know, if what is written by anyone with good intent, offends someone, then it is a good thing that reveals for the offended person what they need to see inside themself.

so, you dont need to quit or keep trying, because you are passed trying, you are actually doing what you do very well. when ya do something well then it cannot but upset a few folk's off-centered equilibrium, simply because it leverages them away from thier cherished holdings of thought.

lots of folks open a topic with preconceived notions, thinking they are going to blow everybody's socks off, only to discover a few replys that cause them to question their luscious preconceptions.

so if you end up with the blue ribbon pie, sometimes a few pie entrys get offended. so what? let em eat their red, yellow and green ribbon pies; and if they've any 'real' wish to hone their pie skills, they will be happy to share in your blue ribbon recipe. of course, the blue ribbon pies have an ingredient that doesnt come out of the pantry, and it is 'love'.

and that my dear CPW is the real reason some get offended, because they see that 'love' which their pie is missing, know that they dont have the 'love' to put in their own pie, and then beset themself to offend the very 'love' which with worded grace a "CPW" put into it from her own heartfelt honesty of having gleaned 'actual' experiences for the least clothed articulation.

cliche? ... what kinda respect is that to someone writing to you in a topic you started for anyone to reply in? in my humble opinion, it is psionickx that owes CPW the apology.

tim

[edit] to clean it up...sorry for the initial :evil:

[farewell2arms]

ya know, if what is written by anyone with good intent, offends someone, then it is a good thing that reveals for the offended person what they need to see inside themself.


I agree.

This is just my personal opinon and it has nothing to do with you CPW.

It's impossible to know for sure how a person is feeling or where this person is at, at the time of posting a message on this board. The person reading might be deeply drowned in the dark night, or might be blissfully agreeing with the new dawning understanding just awoken.

Needless to say, that person reading is right where he/she is supposed to be, and it is important to honor the free will of this person to grow in their own way and react to life just as they choose to, to the message recieved. The intention of the message is enough. Words are here for a reason, sharing. So let's share and trust in ourselves to guide us to be right where we need to be, in the present, reacting and seeing all of life as it is.

[CFTraveler]

nah, i disagree CPW. your words are right on. I don't get why "psionickx" is hawking your every word. he/she started this thread, and has got good folks sharing in it; only to end up acting disrespectful. this chosen action hasnt got a darn thing to do with you and your words.

ya know, if what is written by anyone with good intent, offends someone, then it is a good thing that reveals for the offended person what they need to see inside themself.

so, you dont need to quit or keep trying, because you are passed trying, you are actually doing what you do very well. when ya do something well then it cannot but upset a few folk's off-centered equilibrium, simply because it leverages them away from thier cherished holdings of thought.

lots of folks open a topic with preconceived notions, thinking they are going to blow everybody's socks off, only to discover a few replys that cause them to question their luscious preconceptions.

so if you end up with the blue ribbon pie, sometimes a few pie entrys get offended. so what? let em eat their red, yellow and green ribbon pies; and if they've any 'real' wish to hone their pie skills, they will be happy to share in your blue ribbon recipe. of course, the blue ribbon pies have an ingredient that doesnt come out of the pantry, and it is 'love'.

and that my dear CPW is the real reason some get offended, because they see that 'love' which their pie is missing, know that they dont have the 'love' to put in their own pie, and then beset themself to offend the very 'love' which with worded grace a "CPW" put into it from her own heartfelt honesty of having gleaned 'actual' experiences for the least clothed articulation.

cliche? ... what kinda respect is that to someone writing to you in a topic you started for anyone to reply in? in my humble opinion, it is psionickx that owes CPW the apology.

tim

[edit] to clean it up...sorry for the initial Nicely put, Tim and Farewell to Arms.

[psionickx]

:)

[sibouleaux]

Ok ok share some love, but why did you said that exactly?

Can you develop your argument please? :?:

[psionickx]

I can vouch for the fact of kundalini being intelligent and sentient. This actually helped a lot in having it be a healthy and non-destructive process, because I was able to dialogue with it and get rid of a lot of the entrenched grandiosity from the religious thoughtforms, and have it play out my way. When they wake up, I'd strongly recommend dealing with it as something that can be worked and even dialogued with rather than something one submits to being blown apart by.


I just love the simplicity of design in your writing.I particularly like as well how rife with experience this reflects to be.
This isn't simply "guess what - now here's another novel addition to the list of kundalini manifest symptoms".

The novice meditates to relax
The adept relaxes to meditate.

[Palehorse Redivivus]

I just love the simplicity of design in your writing.I particularly like as well how rife with experience this reflects to be.
This isn't simply "guess what - now here's another novel addition to the list of kundalini manifest symptoms".


*bows* :)

[brotherethan]

The thing about worship many people may not see is that it's not for the benefit of the worshipped, but for the worshipper. How easy it is to become attached to God/Love by looking at It as Mother or Father, and by loving Her/Him as son or daughter. It's nearly impossible to stay focussed while trying to meditate on formless reality.

[quote]If the illumination of light appeals to me should i start worshipping lightbulbs?

Haha. I've heard of many people having the experience of oneness say they began to worship everything b/c they saw it all as God.

[Dakini1]

also, kundalini raising techniques are kept secret secret secret...and i mean secret. what Americans know as "kundalini yoga" is of course different depending on who's teaching it, but it is mostly made of preparatory or purificatory postures that have nothing to do with raising K. the best hope for a person using modern methods is that they get to a point of purification such that they realize they need help and they seek out a teacher that can share with them the occult knowledge. personally, I think that is complete B.S. and i'd like to make it a point to make such information more widely available.

In my opinion the role of the teacher is an entirely different one. Occult techniques are - again in my opinion - overvalued, as are the secrets.

The benefit of having a teacher is to have someone who is where you want to go, who can act as reference point, who will give independent assessment and corrective input. It is my growing suspicion that with any technique, practice or field of spiritual study the potential for self-delusion is limitless. The teacher as a facilitator is a safety precaution and a booster, the knowledge of the teacher is transmitted into the student as the student becomes ready for it.

Knowledge cannot be only shared in books. This will always be misleading. Misunderstandings are recognised by the teacher and the teaching is refined according to the needs of the student.

Cheers,
Oliver

So true Oliver.

Blessings x

[Ananda77]

Hello, I'm rather new to the board and just wanted to share some of my personal insights/experiences. I like to begin my meditations with a little prayer of gratitude towards her, and for her existence in me. I will remind her that I don't fully understand her (not that I ever will) and such there's a bit of fear (which I'm working on dropping by deepening my sense of surrender to God). I always ask her to be gentle. I trust that she knows what I need/can handle. I set the intention that the channels/chakras are nice and clear, or as much as they can be given the quality of self-work I've done (spiritual study, practice, application, etc...) and the work I've yet to do. So far, my experiences have been peaceful. Intense at times, but peaceful. There's much more to the story than that, but a nutshell seemed fitting right now;)