New Dream Experiment

[Beekeeper]

I'm not sure I'll be up for this myself in the coming weeks because I'm busy but I thought I'd propose it and if people are interested and want to get started, we could see if it bears fruit. I'd like to play at some point though. This idea is inspired from my having read that psychiatrists who used dream interpretation as a tool often report their patients psychically picking up on events from their lives.

My proposal is that someone nominates to set the dream sign. A small group of dreamers then goes to work to see if it can pick up psychically on what's been set. I'm not sure if we'd have to attempt this all in one day, say the dreamer thinks about the sign constantly and meditates on it for that day, or if we could have a person transmitting for the course of a week. Anyway, it would have to be something distinctive such as a green Leprechaun's hat or some such thing. So, the group of receivers record their dreams for a week and they decide if something unusual stands out or repeats. Then they list unusual things in this thread and we see if we start getting overlaps.

The transmitter shares, via pm, their intended dream sign with a trusted forum member who is not involved in guessing and who agrees to secrecy. When the week is up and all guesses are in, the transmitter shares what the sign was and we go from there.

If you like, I'm happy to transmit the first sign for a week. I'll choose someone not taking part in the experiment with which to share the sign. Please let me know if you want to play.

1. Transmitter sets dream sign and shares it with someone sworn to secrecy who can later confirm it.
2. Transmitter focusses on that image/idea for a specified time (1 to 7 days as agreed by whole group).
3. The group records dreams
4. Group members consider their dreams over the specified period and examine if something stands out: maybe it recurs, it comes with the odd feeling or an announcement that this is the dream sign, it's a bit different to usual.
5. The dreamers have time to list what it might be. They can revise their list if they see something on another list that they've also dreamt.
6. The transmitter announces the sign and the trusted member confirms.
7. Debrief if desired.

[Neil Templar]

i'm quite "busy" focusing on my dreams right now, so i'm not gonna play.
i can be the "trusted member" if u like. :D

also, just out of curiosity, i won't open the PM until the end of the week, and we'll see if i picked up on it too. :wink:

[Korpo]

Hello, Beek.

I'd propose that the person broadcasting the symbol also documents what she or he did to broadcast the symbol.

Cheers,
Oliver

[Korpo]

PS - I would like to participate, but not as the broadcaster. I would be very interested in what comes up. I also like the time frame of a week, because I cannot guarantee that I recall a dream every night.

Just be sure to pick something really strange, whoever gets to pick.

Cheers,
Oliver

[CFTraveler]

I'd also like to participate, but not as the broadcaster either. So we need a broadcaster, Neil can be the 'trusted member' and once we have enough recruits we can set a date on when to start the week.

[Sinera]

That's really interesting.

I am working on recording my dreams (in the course of a normal lucidity enhancement process), but I think I am not (yet) good enough at remembering. I also have days/weeks marking strong and weak phases of dream memory. At the moment I am rather weak. :( So I don't not know if I could contribute anything at all.

Questions from a dream newbie: How does the broadcasting work? Shouldn't people for shared dreams be personally known / related to each other in some way to make it work? Does it really work (or did it before) with forum members scattered around the world? I know that the dream "world" is non-local like the astral in a way, but I always thought that personal relationship was of paramount importance for reaching good results.

Btw, I just started reading this book on the topic. Does anyone here know it already?

http://www.amazon.com/Group-Dreaming-Dr ... 314&sr=8-2 (http://www.amazon.com/Group-Dreaming-Dreams-Tenth-Power/dp/0972910328/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1279307314&sr=8-2)

Interesting stuff anyway. :idea:

[Korpo]

Hello, Volgerle.

I'm pretty sure it will work. We had good experiences in the past with dreaming for other people:

viewtopic.php?f=19&t=16606 (http://forums.astraldynamics.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=16606)

So I think this experiment has a good chance of working, too.

Better not to think too much about how or why, let's just dive in! :D

Oliver

[Beekeeper]

Okay, I'll broadcast, that's not a problem, and I'll record the methods I use. I will share the sign with Neil.

I don't think scant or variable dream recall should matter, in fact it might be an advantage in this experiment.

I'll start today (it's Saturday July 17 in Australia) and continue until Saturday next week.

1. All you guys need to do is relax and confidently set the intention to pick up the dream sign before you sleep. Let's keep this playful and relaxed.

2. When you've had the full week's sleep, just post the word "Ready" in the thread so we know all time zones are covered.

3. When the three of you have done this, you can begin posting what you think the sign might be. At this point we can look for any overlaps. These in themselves could be interesting, even if they're not the actual sign.

4. If I have any lucid dreams in the coming week I will try to use the state to send you the dream sign. I'll record such dreams and send them to Neil as well. If you don't want me to potentially enter your dream, please let me know in advance. I would never do so deliberately without your consent.

5. I will also keep my dream journal because it's possible you may pick up on some of my dreams instead of the sign or even something from my waking life. If you do, I'll let you know. If it seems really personal, please send it as a pm.

6. When you're all finished deciding what you think the sign is, post it. I'll give you time to do this and ask you if you're ready to know what the sign is. Then Neil can confirm it.

[CFTraveler]

You have my permission, which shouldn't be a problem.
I am keeping a dream diary, so I may continue to do so, and not record it in the public forum so that we don't contaminate each other's ideas. I may post it in a private section of the forum and then move it to a public place afterwards, to keep the chronology intact.

[Sinera]

1. All you guys need to do is relax and confidently set the intention to pick up the dream sign before you sleep. Let's keep this playful and relaxed.

as a newbie to all of this I need to ask: do pre-sleep affirmations work (like done for lucid dream or AP inductions) such as for example "I will recognize and remember Beekeeper's dream sign" or sth similar, or is there a better method from your experience? Should I maybe think of your avatar (I like giraffes ;-)) to make it even stronger?


4. If I have any lucid dreams in the coming week I will try to use the state to send you the dream sign. I'll record such dreams and send them to Neil as well. If you don't want me to potentially enter your dream, please let me know in advance. I would never do so deliberately without your consent.

That's interesting. Yes of course, send or enter whatever and however you can.


6. When you're all finished deciding what you think the sign is, post it. I'll give you time to do this and ask you if you're ready to know what the sign is. Then Neil can confirm it.
Is the pre-decision discussion via pms or in this thread? Does it have to be just one solution? What if there are more than just one possible signs considered or we cannot settle on one?
If one has not had enough dreams remembered or clear signs to be considered, could we then prolong the trial period?

[CFTraveler]

as a newbie to all of this I need to ask: do pre-sleep affirmations work (like done for lucid dream or AP inductions) such as for example "I will recognize and remember Beekeeper's dream sign" or sth similar, or is there a better method from your experience? Should I maybe think of your avatar (I like giraffes ) to make it even stronger? I will probably do both (concentrate on her and do affirmations) but I don't recommend using "I will" statements. I think "I recognize and remember Beekeeper's dream sign" is good, or something similar.

I plan to record my dreams as usual- it's better to describe all you get instead of trying to discern what is 'of value' in dreams. You'd be surprised how the subconscious rearranges what you get.

[Beekeeper]

Is the pre-decision discussion via pms or in this thread? Does it have to be just one solution? What if there are more than just one possible signs considered or we cannot settle on one?
If one has not had enough dreams remembered or clear signs to be considered, could we then prolong the trial period?

Since it's a group effort a collegial approach is best, I think. So, you guys decide how you want to do it. I was thinking that if we "think out loud" in this thread, then anyone following the experiment can watch how it unfolds. Here's what I propose:

1. Record your dreams electronically for the week if you can to save copying later.
2. When everyone has had their seven nights of sleep, you can start sharing your impression of what it might be, reading what others have written and possibly revising. Keep all discussion public.
3. I'll keep a journal reacting to anything significant and keep that aside to post at the end, so I don't affect the outcome.
4. When you guys feel you've cross referenced sufficiently, you can independently state your feeling about what it might be. Go with your gut and remember, it's meant to be fun. :D If you can't decide between two possibilities, that's fine, just state what they are.
5. We will try not to prolong the period if we can but we will see if we can discover an optimal time frame if we carry this experiment out more than once.
6. At the end, we can draw conclusions based on our experiences.

[Korpo]

Starting tonight?

Oliver

[Beekeeper]

Yes, I've already spent the day projecting the idea as words and images. I took a good long meditation session this afternoon and used the idea as a mantra. I also visualised it in a number of different ways. I've created an image of the idea to stimulate me to think of it during the day and send it randomly. Before sleep I'll focus on it again.

[eyeoneblack]

I've already spent the day projecting the idea as words and images.

Having conducted in the neighborhood of 40 or so Remote Viewing experiments I feel I should offer a little much unneeded input. Words and mental images are too indifinitive to be of much use. I once used a hunting trophy (horns of an antelope) - but anything else I used still applies - and the psychic guesses ran far afield but only if you saw the picture of the target could you then tie everything together.

I'm suggesting the image be backed with a picture. Who knows, a person's idea of an image or thing may morph over time or at least be more of less definitive over time - but a picture of a leprechaun's hat is what it is.

Just my thoughts.

[Korpo]

I already had the first nap dream written down for this, counting this as "Day/Night 1."

Today is a good day for recall. I like it.

Cheers,
Oliver

[Sinera]

as a newbie to all of this I need to ask: do pre-sleep affirmations work (like done for lucid dream or AP inductions) such as for example "I will recognize and remember Beekeeper's dream sign" or sth similar, or is there a better method from your experience? Should I maybe think of your avatar (I like giraffes ) to make it even stronger? I will probably do both (concentrate on her and do affirmations) but I don't recommend using "I will" statements. I think "I recognize and remember Beekeeper's dream sign" is good, or something similar.

I plan to record my dreams as usual- it's better to describe all you get instead of trying to discern what is 'of value' in dreams. You'd be surprised how the subconscious rearranges what you get.

Yes, of course, thanks for reminding me, right, "I do ... now" are better affirmations (as I already knew from AP or LD inductions). :idea:

Yes, I do record my dreams in notes as best as I can (which is difficult cuz they are pretty weird and seemingly incoherent too often). I will try afterwards to "single out" any possible striking dream signs.

However, I am skeptic that it will work for me at all. But that's what I thought about AP and lucid dreams too, before I had them. So being cool and giving it a try is all that counts now. 8)

[CFTraveler]

I had one too. Will come back to fill it out.

[Korpo]

I had one too. Will come back to fill it out.

I thought we shouldn't till end of week?

Oliver

[CFTraveler]

I had one too. Will come back to fill it out.

I thought we shouldn't till end of week?

Oliver Exactly! Which is why I'll come back to fill it out. :)

[Korpo]

You think in way longer time frames than me. :lol:

Oliver

[CFTraveler]

You think in way longer time frames than me. :lol:

Oliver I'm posting to 'place hold' the dreams I had this morning. (and/or to add links when the week's up). I'll do this every time I have one I've remembered and recorded, and post it when the week is up. I'm keeping my journal privately and I'll transfer it out to the public forum (my journal here.) Then I'll link it here or something. Not sure if I'll just post the symbols I think are 'it' or just link this to the other journal.
But yes, the 'time' thing is quite annoying to those who have to live with me. :wink:

[Beekeeper]

'm suggesting the image be backed with a picture. Who knows, a person's idea of an image or thing may morph over time or at least be more of less definitive over time - but a picture of a leprechaun's hat is what it is.

Yes, did that too. Trying all approaches. Not saying too much right now.

[eyeoneblack]

'm suggesting the image be backed with a picture. Who knows, a person's idea of an image or thing may morph over time or at least be more of less definitive over time - but a picture of a leprechaun's hat is what it is.

Yes, did that too. Trying all approaches. Not saying too much right now.

Of course, I should have guessed you did. :wink: Glad to know you're trying all approaches. I can be rest assured of that, at least. :?

Hope we learn something :|

R

BTW, I'll be playing along, so let's see... :lol:

[Beekeeper]

BTW, I'll be playing along, so let's see...

Wonderful! :D

[Korpo]

Had a night full of endless ongoing dreams but did not record them - there just seemed to be nothing symbolic or remarkable happening. But I woke myself up (and had to wake myself up from a false awakening) to record a really strange dream symbol in the middle of it.

Oliver

[Sinera]

I also had a False Awakening today, even a looped one, which means a double one. I dreamt twice I got up to note down my dreams on my laptop (I started an electronic diary now, at last...), but did not get to doing it.
Then the third time it really worked and I did it in waking state. :)

[CFTraveler]

Another one, two dreams again, the first one seemed to be for the experiment, the second one mine. I see a pattern.

[Korpo]

I have a little memory from a dream I forgot mostly from last night. Beekeeper was in it, but I don't think it was necessarily about the experiment. I wrote down the only thing I remember.

Cheers,
Oliver

[Sinera]

after two nights, I must say ... well, there is indeed sth I would call a pattern

problem is: i might deceive myself when I make these connections between the 2 different (but not so very different) dream signs

however, maybe my subconscious self even "dreams up" these consecutive signs for itself - perhaps because it wants them to come, a self-created conjured motif so to speak

not sure, like Robert I remain an open-minded (!) skeptic, don't wanna lend myself to a premature judgement ...

on the other hand, I have a feeling the pattern might be real, since it is - after all - unusual (regardless as to whether it's created by Beekeeper's influence or by my subconscious)

2 nights not enough to judge, let's see if it manifests again in coming nights...

*suspense* 8)

[Beekeeper]

I'll use this as a place holder and remind everyone we're having fun. :D

[Neil Templar]

after two nights, I must say ... well, there is indeed sth I would call a pattern

problem is: i might deceive myself when I make these connections between the 2 different (but not so very different) dream signs

however, maybe my subconscious self even "dreams up" these consecutive signs for itself - perhaps because it wants them to come, a self-created conjured motif so to speak

not sure, like Robert I remain an open-minded (!) skeptic, don't wanna lend myself to a premature judgement ...

on the other hand, I have a feeling the pattern might be real, since it is - after all - unusual (regardless as to whether it's created by Beekeeper's influence or by my subconscious)

2 nights not enough to judge, let's see if it manifests again in coming nights...

*suspense* 8)

i reckon that, simply the act of setting an intention for your dreams, and that intention being the same every night, is definitely gonna result in a pattern appearing. whether or not you pick up on the symbol/object/whatever it is... i'm sure the results of such an experiment will turn out to be interesting for everyone involved...

i'll say this, i've been using my dreams as a means to find out what's happening internally, or to receive communication from guides, or my higher self, for 2 or 3 years now, and the more you do it, the clearer it seems to get.
the key is to ask the right questions. :wink:
i've found that adding "show me using symbols i will clearly understand!" to the end of your request or question, results in a response that's easily interpreted. :D

now go have fun you kids! :P :lol:

[CFTraveler]

Night four- One dream, two symbols.

[eyeoneblack]

I don't really understand how this is going to work which is perfect so I won't be tempted to 'help' it work. I am glad that's it's gotten me keeping a journal again. RL has conspired to help as I've been moved to overnight shifts for the next few weeks which means I have to sleep during the day. This helps lucidity and just dreaming in general.

I recorded one today that was so long I got really tired of typing it, but it was probably a good one and deserved being recorded more than I thought so. If I have anything at all relating to the experiment it's just a color - but that's something maybe.

It's a little frustrating I can't just post it now and hope you guys will have a go at it. But it'll wait. :( The sun is high in the sky here which means I'd better go to bed.

So, later....

Richard

[Beekeeper]

Patience, Richard, we'll all know soon enough. :D

Btw, my dream recall has been horrendous. I know there's a lot going on but I'm struggling to pull it back and I want to in case my dream imagery or life events, along with or rather than the established dream sign, gets into any of your dreams.

[eyeoneblack]

Have you ever tried DHEA? It's a supplement suggested on another board I tried some years ago. I just checked and I still have some left so I reckon if it was the silver bullet it'd be gone by now :lol: .

Anyway, just thought of it. Might be interesting to try when recall is at an extreme low, i.e. if it helps at all would be easy to tell. :|

[Beekeeper]

No need, it's just because I've been taking cold capsules and they zonk me out. Been renovating and breathing in junk (even with a mask on). It'll sort out. Even so, I don't worry when recall declines a bit - it always returns and sometimes it's because I'm doing interesting things like popping in on friends, or so I've been told on occasion. :D I should be drug free tonight. :D

And here I go giving away information that might tinge the dreams. :(

[Korpo]

I'm getting at least a short dream recalled a day (which is good for the bad sleep I currently experience), but except for one strange symbol there's really nothing I would associate with the experiment.

Cheers,
Oliver

[Sinera]

for me the last two nights have been lame, although dream recall was good, since I also could type some stuff into my notebook in the middle of the night now

however, nothing i can interpret as an "alien" dream sign, all was pretty personal dreams, mostly past-related (like so often with me recently) but maybe even there could be sth hidden inside, need to go through the notes again

anyway, regardless as to whether or not it will work for me, I am happy that by now I started / resumed what I wanted to do anyway, taking lucid dreaming work seriously by keeping my lucidiary up to date, getting up at night in-between for lucidity enhancement (and notes!), listening to lucid dreaming sounds at night, it works to get better dreams and dream recall

i am asking myself: what would happen if i get lucid, would it help to immedately shout "lead me to beekeepers' dream sign now!" ? - i would immediately try it out

unfortunately it is hard for me to get really lucid (i get however "semi-"lucid sometimes, steering dreams like I make my thoughts wonder in waking state, but it's not a real "hey, i'm dreaming" awareness)

[Beekeeper]

i am asking myself: what would happen if i get lucid, would it help to immedately shout "lead me to beekeepers' dream sign now!" ? - i would immediately try it out

I'd make it come to me by stating, "show me".

[eyeoneblack]

I was too tired to be very aware dreaming today. I woke up and thought of the experiment and grabbed the last thing from a dream. Paltry. :(

[Beekeeper]

Ah, what a sad pathetic lot we are! :lol: :lol: :lol: (Well maybe not CF :wink: ). It's a good thing we're just playing. 8)

[Korpo]

Actually, I remembered three dreams this morning. Good sleep is essential for me. I'm not sure they relate to the experiment, but the last one was so full of symbolism, maybe there was something.

Cheers,
Oliver

[CFTraveler]

Still dreaming, still symbols, all seem to have the same shape. All but one, that is.

[Neil Templar]

Heh!

seems i'm definitely gonna have to take part in the next experiment... my recall is excellent right now! :wink: :P

[Korpo]

Recalled one this morning, can hardly imagine this is related.

Oliver

[eyeoneblack]

Ya' know something? I think I might have it :!: .

Would you mind reviewing for me how this experiment will culminate? At some point we'll put up our dreams and guesses and then you'll reveal the symbol, right? When will that be, and how will you adjust for international time?

(Sorry, I know you have covered this but I and probably a few others would like a refresh :) )

Richard

[Korpo]

Let's just do that Sunday. Then it has been a week for all and everyone.

Oliver

[eyeoneblack]

Well, what if I post what I think it is now? That's the way I did my RV experiments and it didn't seem to bother anybody to learn other people's guesses. Then when the target was revealed, you could compare your guess to the target.

You say Sunday, but your Sunday morning and mine are different. I mean, at some point we're all going to reveal our dreams and content before we learn what the symbol is so I think we need an international time frame within which to do this, so I'm not asleep when it all goes down.

Or am I just being too annal? :roll:

[Korpo]

Hello, E1B.


Well, what if I post what I think it is now?

I guess you can contain yourself like anybody else. :roll: :P

Cheers,
Oliver

[eyeoneblack]

'spose I will, tempestuous me :mrgreen:

[CFTraveler]

It's Friday here- are we all going to post what our dreams are on Sunday and then BeeK will reveal what it is, or are we going to post on Sat what our dreams were and what we think the symbols were, and she then reveals it on Sunday? I think my Sat. is her Sunday, so I don't want to jump the gun....

OR, (and I think this one is better):

Beekeper posts "Ok kiddies, it's time to post your dreams" and then we all post (or fill in, as in my case) and come to our conclusions, and then when we're all done she posts the actual symbol.
What do y'all think?

[Neil Templar]

OR, (and I think this one is better):

Beekeper posts "Ok kiddies, it's time to post your dreams" and then we all post (or fill in, as in my case) and come to our conclusions, and then when we're all done she posts the actual symbol.
What do y'all think?

that's what i'd suggest.
folk's posts might trigger memories of overlooked details...

[Sinera]

Well, I wonder why is it a problem now to stick to Beekeeper's original plan? Beekeeper posted that everybody please post an "I'm ready" here when it is Sunday morning/afternoon for them, so that everybody is through with 7 nights of dreams (or dreamless nights :wink: respectively). Isn't that still the best way?

For the time zone earlier ones it might be Sunday evening (night?) then, before we can start analysing - or we get to discuss it all on Monday only...

However, I don't think anybody should post dream content before, not on Saturday either. I really think it might influence the others and lead them onto the wrong path. It might also lead to frustration if there is not any similarity to the posted stuff and one might think that oneself is on the wrong track completely. :(
(I still think I might be anyway :wink: )

Also, I don't think that everybody should post then all of his/her dreams first, it might be too much text to read and seems not effective to me. I consider it more effective to apply the individual filters first and only then do the group filtering by our discussion.
There will be enough time then to go into detail or add more dreams if we don't find anything on our first round of probing and sifting by comparing the personal favourites.

:idea: That's why I would suggest the following procedure:

After everybody has posted his/her "Ready" (4 dreamer participants if I counted correctly: Korpo, CFTraveler, EyeOneBlack, Volgerle), then we could wait for a second round of posts from each one drawing up his/her own filtered "top list" of say 3 dream symbols (or more if felt necessary).
After one has posted his/her list this should not be commented on immediatly by another participant, not until the last of the 4 dream musketeers has posted his top-3 (or top-4, 5...) list.

Then, in a 3rd round among the 4 dreamers, we discuss it all in our posts and replies, as usual, and finally (step 3b if you like) pull up a final chart list from all 4 top-lists and/or from our discussion (which might be a complicated undertaking - but maybe also fun :P ).
We do this by looking at similarities or coincidences among these personal "charts". Maybe there are already some striking similarities. If not, or not enough, we look further down the personal lists and post more. And of course, if s.o. has a dream in the personal top list that another one had further down on the list, he/she will report on this immediately anyway.

That means that #1 will be our definite guess as to what the dream symbol is. But we have further alternatives then, just to be on the safe side.

Finally, step 4, and only then, Beekeeper unveils the symbol, Neil confirming it.

Step 5: Then we are either :lol: or :( depending on the outcome. Or we try to paraphrase our initial guesses further to make them fit the solution somehow. In other words: we apply the art of Creative Interpretation. :mrgreen:

That's the procedure I would suggest. How about that approach?

[Beekeeper]

That would be best, Volgerie. That way everyone gives it their best shot. Also, if after all that anyone wants to publish their complete dreaming for the session or entrust it to Neil, if they did hit the dream sign but didn't realise it, it's still a matter of public record or something Neil can support.

So, everyone, wait until you've had 7 nights of dream opportunity ( I won't say dreaming because I'm up, prematurely, because of work stress and not dreaming - or meditating as planned either :cry: ). Then post the word "ready". Then, go for it; I'll try to restrain myself while you chat away. I suspect it will be hard. You then tell me when to post the dream sign.

Anyone else who has been following the experiment but not actively participated in it who suddenly finds himself/herself resonating with the conversation is free to comment, of course.

I've detected a new occurrence in a couple of my dreams and I'm curious to know if it's something from one of you guys. Neil might find the same.

[CFTraveler]

Well, I wonder why is it a problem now to stick to Beekeeper's original plan? It's not a problem at all, but because of the time differences I thought it might have been easier if Beek. gave the signal.
But that's OK, it's all the same to me, as long as it's consistent.

[eyeoneblack]

Yesterday I was dreaming away and woke up realizing I wasn't remembering a think. So I reminded myself to pay attention. And when I went back to dreaming remembering this and that and this and this - it was more than I could bother with, so I went back to my A.D.D. ways and when I woke up I really didn't remember a think. :evil: :( :? :P

I'll be Saturday for me in just 3 hours but I want to put in a good meditation before I post 'ready' which will be about 12 hours from now. (I'll have to eat and sleep first).

Richard

[Korpo]

I woke from my seventh night since we started.

Ready.

Oliver

[Beekeeper]

My dream journal for the period has been sent to Neil's messages.

[eyeoneblack]

Ready.

Is that what we're supposed to do? Send our dream journals to Neil? Makes sense.

Richard

[Sinera]

oh. :shock:

Stupid me. Now I noted, of course, I've made a mistake, the last night was the last one. :oops:

I always thought of Sunday for finalising.

So today (sat) we already start.

I won't send my entire dreams to Neil, just a filtered shortlist with some enhancements. Still, will take some time to prepare it.

Please wait a while (not ready yet .. but soon :wink: ).


(* gets hectic and frantic now...*)

[Korpo]

I always mark my dreams with the day preceding the night.

Saturday, 17th

Dream 1: Arguing with my mother about recent events.
Dream 2: This one was extremely long, but I already basically knew while having it that this would be one of these long dreams I don't remember much from. One piece was weird, and I marked it - it seems like there was a war or crisis and they were "mobilising the reserves." But the guys were all WW1 veterans (but not that old) and running to catch a bus (or train?). They were all wearing German spiked helmets. That was so odd, it did register. ;)

Sunday, 18th

Dream 1: I somehow dreamt that Beekeeper was there. It was about taking a test. Somehow there was the mentioning of doing the test on steroids, and that didn't seem right, but nobody seemed to care.

Monday, 19th

Dream 1: We were trying to pot a plant, tried to trim it down, but it started to stick brokkoli in the cut ends, brought something in (a pot?), <something I cannot decipher> and wandered out. I remember thinking that this must have been a mischievous nature spirit having fun with us.

Tuesday, 20th

Dream 1: I'm dreaming about the new apartment I'm gonna move to IRL. There's some sort of "preview room" I can enter and I do so for short times to prepare myself for upcoming events. I don't remember what happened there, just that there was this preview room.

Wednesday, 21st

Dream 1: Sex dream. Followed by a short snippet of a co-worker offending a manager.
Dream 2: Two friends, one a co-worker seem to help me move. One is a cute girl I seem to have a crush on in the dream. At some point I catch them making out in the bathroom (weird scene, totally weird perspective changes once I walked through that door until I leave the room). When I ask my co-worker about it later he says "Well, it happens." This moment his wife calls him on his mobile and tells him the mayor is sick.
Dream 3: High school friend and co-worker. I'm in a toy store, I guess. It seems like the TV is showing American Football. I track the progress of the team trying to achieve a "first down" with the help of soda cups that I fill with cola and putting them on a pattern on the floor. (This seems to be somehow related to LEGO in the dream, so maybe I need to "Leggo (of) cola" ;) ) Somehow they have big trouble achieving first down - they get stalled by a very clever player on the defence line. As the commentator talks about him I see a deep black background (that's all I see) and when he says the nickname of the player is "rubber band" a rubber band appears in that space.

Thursday, 22nd

Dream 1: I dream of trying to learn the Hendrix piece "Jam Back at the House," but I am worried that I seem to not have my sheet music with me. Now it switches over that I'm being told about some music history, supposedly - some new-formed band of four black teenagers seemed to have revolutionized the blues scene forever. The commentator said "This is not only the equivalent of designing a BMW-E .... (What's that supposed to be, anway? They don't make such a car) overnight, but also instantly being able to control it when barreling down a road with 120."

Friday, 23rd

Dream 1: My son visited me in a dream and runs around, happily playing, for a long time. Then he tries to topple the ironing board, but the hot iron misses him - thank goodness.
Dream 2: Woke remembering nothing but it must have involved pirates. And/or ninjas. That spells trouble! :lol:


There were rather few dream symbols out of the ordinary. So unless it is a spiked helmet, brokkoli, American Football, LEGO, cola, pirates, ninjas, a hot iron, the mayor or steroids (and I would be surprised if it was anything like that) then - no idea. Oh, and rubber band.

Oliver

[Sinera]

Ready. (also sent notes to Neil).

[CFTraveler]

Ready. Posting the signs, and the dreams will go in my journal. Am putting them together as we speak.

[Sinera]

So I see all 4 have given the "ready" message.

Here's my top 3 list I decided on:

1. Animals popping up in my own appartment

The first two nights, a nice and funny animal visited me in my appartment
I never dreamt of "animals visiting me in my flat" before, so there might be a strange recurring theme / pattern (PET-tern? :)).

In detail:

a little yellow bird or even chicken hatchling (first night)
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a young fox terrier (or poodle) (second night)
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excerpts from the original entries copied here:

first night:
"nice little yellow bird or even a sweet little chicken hatchling in the bathroom running around, a bit stressed, chirping all the time; it is sweet; making himself wet going through a puddle of water there (flooding again?), then shaking itself like a dog getting rid of the water, then running on; then I lead it out into the living room, open the balcony door to let it out"

Still, this was the clearest and most "alien" dream of the week so I was sure then it is not "my" dream entirely. It was also very pleasant, sweet and nice to remember.

Note: the "flooding again" relates to the flooding of my appartment I had 4-5 weeks ago, most of it was in the bathroom, so the water fits, this dream is followed by a double false awakening.

second night:
"a white fox terrier or poodle rushes in after I opened the door and almost runs me down, licks me, plays with me
sweet, nice little (almost) puppy terrier, a bit thin though"

Note: the dog belongs to a woman that visited me before, I did not know her, but asked her if she was a girl I knew as Sandra due to similarity, she said no, but that she knows Sandra, then she says that her dog is outside in the lobby. I hear it rumbling, that is when the door opened , or I opened it, not sure, and the dog comes in (rest see entries above).

Prior to this I felt myself in the bed with a projection attempt having vibrations, I heard a kind of "neg voice" but later turning friendly, a middle-aged (40-50) woman sitting at my bed (appears like a nurse to me) and talking to me (don't know what), then after that the other younger woman appeared in my room, the one that resembled "Sandra" and sent in the dog playing with me.

When I took down the notes of this dream when awake, I still had that slight tingling/shivering all over my body I usually feel after waking up from a dream/lucid dream or even projection attempt (mostly failed ones with vibrations), so there might be "more" to it, however that "more" can be defined.


2. Blue paint on hand

I touch a wall and have blue paint on my hands.

Later on, I go to the river to wash it off. When I do this some of my belongings almost fall in to the water to float off, but I manage to grab them all.


3. Cellar (parental home)

A recurring theme is the basement in the house of my parents. I meet a blonde girl sorting stuff there (talking about a scholarship she has now and that she won't therefore be working here any longer). Also in another dream I am kind of hiding in the shadows, even melting with the shadows or walls, but not out of fear. It is rather like playing a game.

[CFTraveler]

Instead of sending the entire dreams to Neil, I will post the dream symbols I discerned from the dreams themselves. Then I'll post the dream themselves in my journal, (http://forums.astraldynamics.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=17866&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=165#p132937) and anyone can go see the dreams themselves and see if they see something I didn't.
I consistently got a square object many of the days. Sometimes there was a voice telling me "this is the dream sign' and sometimes there was a vision screen in between or after dreams, and I soon saw a relationship between them.
Here they are:
1) 7/17/10 Dreamed something about Beekeeper moving to an apartment and getting ready for it. Cleaning house, etc.
As I awoke I saw what looked like a block of cheddar cheese.
2) Object: A medium-sized box, about the color and size of a Whithman's Sampler (mustard yellow). Second object- a rectangular piece of cake, as part of a larger rectangular cake. The piece is darker than the rest of the cake, like a brownie.
3)No recall, no object.
4)Symbols: Collapsible spoon (looked somewhat like a swiss army knife), credit card and a table.
5)Symbol- As I was waking up from a dream, I was not shown the image of the object, and was given instead a 'non disclosure agreement' which I refused adamantly. Then I woke up.
6) " - A stack of funny money. Later circumstances makes me think this was a precog event and not the symbol itself. However, I noted it because of the shape.
7) Probably a personal dream, no symbol that I can recall.

[Korpo]

Well, no overlap so far... :?

Oliver

[eyeoneblack]

I have a dog (actually 4 or 5, one of which was a small white terrier tho I didn't note that one in the journal - it was our fox terrier from childhood).

I have a rectangular creamy colored label with 'writing' across the bottom - it was the supposed UPC for a roast or CHICKEN.

I have money, $83.74 and also $11 and some change. If I plot 8374 on the Tree of Life (like I do most everything) I get a rectangle (rhombus I think, narrower on one end) or a sideways 'Z' if I plot the action.

I'm debating where to put my dreams - maybe start my own journal? One is pretty amazing, has an alien in it, maybe there. I don't know.

Oh, when I so tempestuously announced that I have it! :roll: I was thinking of the Egyptian Heiroglyph for serpent - a wavy line.

Richard

[Sinera]

maybe it is not a single object ... maybe it is rather a more abstract concept

how about that: Beekeeper popping up in / moving into an appartment.

everybody mentions Beekeeper and an appartment (own or Beekeeper's)

the animals I saw popping up in my appartment could well represent Beekeeper (actually my conceptualisation of Beekeeper could be based on nice animals, which might be imprinted by his/her giraffe avatar and part of the name - bee)

CFT mentions beekeeper moving into an appartment as one entire dream.

Korpo and Beekeeper, if I understand it right, are moving into new appartments or changing appartments in "RL". So there might be a "theme" here.

There is also talk about cleaning, making renovations. In a dream I had blue paint on my hands when touching a wall (ok, that is quite a stretch now...)

Korpo, you say "beekeeper was somehow there" .
Question: Where is "there" - your home possibly? And how do you visualise Beekeeper in dreams (with a picture, a concept?)?

Lastly, Beekeeper him/herself wrote in this thread:
"I don't worry when recall declines a bit - it always returns and sometimes it's because I'm doing interesting things like popping in on friends."

What does this mean? :shock:
Does 'popping in on friends' relate more metaphorically to his/her symbol-sending-activity or the literal content of the sent symbol / message?

Well, I'm just brainstorming now, doing associations. (Creative Interpretation starts already :mrgreen: )

[Sinera]

I have a dog (actually 4 or 5, one of which was a small white terrier tho I didn't note that one in the journal - it was our fox terrier from childhood).

:shock:

do you mean "you have a dog / small white terrier" in your dreams this week - or that you had a dog in your childhood in RL - just referring to my dream of a white terrier?

(btw. as a very small child the first pet of our household I grew up with was indeed a fox terrier, too. But I hardly have memories of the dog and I did not identify the dream terrier with my childhood terrier)

:shock:

[CFTraveler]

Beekeper's a lady.
I did see some overlap in one of the symbols, a label and the money with my 'boxy' objects and the 'agreement' I was supposed to sign and my 'funny money' vision. Interesting how a lot of people saw animals (except me).

[eyeoneblack]

do you mean "you have a dog / small white terrier" in your dreams this week - or that you had a dog in your childhood in RL - just referring to my dream of a white terrier?


I was referring to my dream journal (has a dog). :)

I'm going to put my journal for this experiment up by itself because it's pretty long and if you guys want you can read it over :) .

[Korpo]

Korpo, you say "beekeeper was somehow there" .
Question: Where is "there" - your home possibly? And how do you visualise Beekeeper in dreams (with a picture, a concept?)?

I've known Beekeeper for years - well online, that is. I don't remember seeing her in the dream, I just remember that it was Beekeeper.

Cheers,
Oliver

[eyeoneblack]

I notice first of my dreams continues the theme 'moving in'. Hmmm. There are really so many possibilites I'll have to wait until I have more time to jam on what might be a clue or clues. :?:

[Sinera]

e1b,
wow, nice, so we would have a first "direct hit" with this one :!: :)
http://www.breederretriever.com/photopost/data/749/thumbs/bellaaurora-ch.jpg
of course, (playing the scoffer now), it might be pure accident still
(moreover, I suppose, just a synchronicity between us two and not related to Beekeeper's symbol)

[Beekeeper]

It's not the symbol but it did get into one of my dreams with a bunch of other little dogs, though it's not mentioned specifically. :wink:

What hue was the blue paint, Volgerie? We've just painted a feature wall blue in our new house and I'm quite taken with it.

Describe your female visitors. I did ask benevolent, higher order spirit beings to get involved in the experiment if they felt they could help.

I've read what you guys have published. This time the dream sign didn't come up but there were some interesting little overlaps between my dreams and what everyone one else dreamt, as you'll see. Let me know when you'd like me to publish the sign and my dreams for the week.

BTW, when I record my dreams, I date it for the morning I wake up. I'm also in Australia.

[Sinera]

It's not the symbol but it did get into one of my dreams with a bunch of other little dogs, though it's not mentioned specifically. :wink:
wow, this is getting pretty amazing now, so we've got a third hit for a white terrier(-like) little dog
this really could be a group dreaming element now :P



What hue was the blue paint, Volgerie? We've just painted a feature wall blue in our new house.
difficult, I don't remember how exactly it looked (just saw it on my hands, not the wall itself, or at least I don't remember how it looked on the wall). generally it was not too dark, but not too light either.

if I take this colour box, I would maybe go for the square on the lower row on the left, maybe also lower right or the very middle one (middle row+column), but I cannot be sure

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Describe your female visitors. I did ask benevolent, higher order spirit beings to get involved in the experiment if they felt they could help.
Maybe it also helps to give a clearer description of the (rather more unpleasant) situation before meeting the women:

After my vibrations had ceased again resultless - as almost always :( - I had given up on projection attempts, therefore I finally could see (in dream state I suppose). I'd been blind before that, trying to project "in the dark" while only hearing voices which I first thought to be "neg" voices teasing me a bit, but I am now not so sure anymore what they were.
I remember controlling my anger and shouting at the voices "I love you". That might sound very stupid now, but I read once that if you greet any "negs" with helpfulness or even show love and understanding, they usually run off or disappear, that's why I did it. Well, maybe it even worked. (I also heard s.o. say back to me "I love you" ,a bit mimicking though).

Then the first woman was sitting at my bed, somehow she appeared a bit like a nurse to me :)
Cannot say if she was the one that had said back "ILY" before, but I also cannot rule it out either.

This first lady was older than the second woman, (approx. in her forties) she looked friendly although I think she did not smile, she also looked a bit rigorous (maybe a real nurse sterotype :wink: ). She had brown or dark hair. She said sth, but I don't know what our talk was about. (Not sure: It might be that she held a syringe and it looked like she had given me a shot just before - a job a nurse normally does; but I did not panic, if this was the case it wasn't sth harmful but a rather helpful injection - maybe one "making me see?" :wink: ).

then there was little a switch of situation, but still in my appartment, I was out of bed when I saw the second woman, she reminded me of Sandra, a girl I knew from my university times in the 90ies, I approched her as she was lying down on my living room couch; I was kind of hovering, floating above her while talking to her (maybe this even had some slight sexual connotations, but no real action was going on .. :wink: :lol: :oops: ). I asked her if she was Sandra and she said smiling to me "no, but I know her well" ( it could be I said sth like she may please remind her of me and give her my regards)

this second woman had brown hair, wore glasses, and I think it was beige or light brown trousers, a darker sun-tanned skin (like s.o. who likes sunny beaches), probably in her middle or later 20ies

(actually, and which makes me wonder now, she more resembled a girl I knew as Tanya, from the same period as Sandra actually - in the 90ies, but I know I asked for Sandra)

then she looked to the left and said that she brought her dog with her, thus came the rumbling sounds from a lobby (which is the point where the layout of my flat does not coincide with the dream appartment anymore, normally at the direction of her gaze my kitchen would have been), then the opened door, and enter the sweet little white terrier, rest of story known

both were nice women, the first and older one, however, a bit more strict and aloof (but not unfriendly). However, I cannot say if they looked 'angelic' to me in any way, although s.o. appearing as a nurse can always interpreted to be an angel.

I will have a look at your dreams, of course.

[eyeoneblack]

This first lady was older than the second woman, (approx. in her forties) she looked friendly although I think she did not smile, she also looked a bit rigorous (maybe a real nurse sterotype ).

This was the lady that was my mother's aid caring for departed Dad (Ernie's Vacation).

And Beekeeper, I think we will find more connections to your dream sign - with a stretch of the imagination, but with my RV experiments it was that stretch that really made a difference. We'll see, maybe not.

Can't wait for your journal and the sign.

[panting and wagging my tail]

[Beekeeper]

Can't wait for your journal and the sign.

[panting and wagging my tail]

:lol: :lol: :lol: I'm looking forward to the sharing of thoughts at the end. We can see then if we want to try another experiment and what shape we'd like it to take. So far, I'm thinking I'm probably a better "receiver" than "transmitter." :D

I've encountered nurses before too (not for quite some while).

[eyeoneblack]

Not orange huh? Probably a platinum blue as you asked Volgerle about the blue and the mercury vapor light of the first dream gives off a silvery blue light. Is there a sky blue circle in a square? There were two and were they alike?, that was the proplem. That's from this mornings dream but it was too sketchy to bother with.

I'm pulling my hair out here (and I don't have any to spare :lol: )

Richard the Patient, Who Listens to Trees, Who Let's the Universe Unfold as it Should, who...

Arghhhhh! :evil:

[Beekeeper]

This much I'll give you: it was purple. I chose that colour because when other people tell me they've dreamt of me, they often say I was somehow associated with purple.

[Korpo]

Okay, come on, just tell.

Oliver

[Beekeeper]

Well, I don't think CF will mind as she's posted her dreams and I too am becoming impatient :D . So here it is:


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[Beekeeper]

Dream Sharing Experiment
First Night
Sunday 18th July, 2010

A lot of dreaming but not a lot of recall (which isn’t very handy :cry: )

“Flying the Chair to School”
I’m flying on an armchair. I land at a school in an external environment where people are gathered. We’re off on an excursion. I leave my chair there and we travel by another mode of transport, train perhaps. Later in the dream I’ll remember my chair and vaguely worry about leaving it there.

I realise I’m wearing a daggy red t-shirt but I’m carrying a camisole that is pretty and somehow related to Christmas. I put it over my t-shirt, even though it’s not really a practical thing to do.

There’s not much else I can recall about this dream other than being a student, not a terribly intelligent one, and travelling with a group of other students.

“Getting Off the Train at Alma Station”
I’m on a train facing the door. There is a group of tall, skinny workmen in the doorway and I’m mildly anxious I won’t get past them. As soon as the train stops, I get off. Immediately, I notice I’m on Alma Station – a non-existent station in my physical world. I’m also aware after the fact that the word “alma” means soul (I had a friend called Alma once whose whole name meant “Soul of an Eagle.”)

Within the dream I realise I’ve been here before. It’s a station I get off at in some dreams when I’m on my way further along and I jump off prematurely (I’ll have to add it to my dream topography map). Once again I’ve gotten off too soon and I’m anticipating the anxiety of trying to find the right platform. I was supposed to go to Parramatta station (a real place; a familiar destination in my younger years).


Parramatta has been defined as meaning a kind of dress fabric, head of river or waters, and place where eels lie down. It's the name of the second oldest settlement in Australia. The city's official website gives the last as the accepted definition. It makes sense. For the river of the same name is nearby. And the popular rugby team from the area was called the Eels.
(Wikipedia)

Somehow, though, Alma station isn’t as intimidating as it’s been before. For one thing, this is the first time I’ve been able to read and remember its name easily and somehow it’s become a small country station rather than a big city exchange. Immediately, I notice my youngest son, H. He looks lost and I know he’s looking for me or trying to find his way back home. I hadn’t realised he was on the train with me. I head towards him and it takes a few moments for me to get his attention, he’s so focussed on solving his problem. I tell him it’s okay, that we’ll catch another train together.

“Dogs”
There’s a group of dogs, some quite small. Bella runs towards them before I can restrain her but there aren’t any problems. (Quite a common dream)

My other dreams are forgotten. I do recall a hynagogic of a purple string standing on end and thinking, “at least the colour’s right.”

2nd Night
Monday 19th, 2010
G was restless and it woke me. I wasn’t sure if it was time to get up – I’d taken a cold tablet because of a sinus reaction to all the dust at the renovation and I’d slept heavily. I was anxious that my only recall was a vague remembrance of travelling somewhere. G sleeps near the clock; he said it was just after 5am. I tried to relax (first day of 3rd term- Gs back too after a term off to work on the house). I focussed on trying to get back to sleep (and purple eyes every so often too) but it took awhile.

“The Wizened Baby”
Jenny T is holding a baby. I see that it has an old, wizened face and wonder if it has that rare disease that causes children to age rapidly. J isn’t speaking at all and I don’t remember her ever alluding to this particular grandchild. She puts the swaddled baby down and wanders off towards a socialising group of people.

I pick the baby up and it begins to whimper and then cry. I hold it close and it pukes on my left shoulder and then stops crying. I go into another room where there’s a double bed with a white bedspread. I lie the baby down and get distracted by something.

“The Distractions”
In a montage, I see my sister and sister-in-law jumping off fences and various other things. They’re at different ages as the snapshots appear. I think this curious: I hadn’t realised they were into jumping.

I tell G about a ghost I saw when teaching yoga last week (I did actually detect something while I was directing relaxation. I opened my eyes to check on my class and instead saw a movement at the back of the room). He seems disinterested. (In real life, he was interested).

I see a vehicle driving up the side of a building. The building is covered in something that allows the vehicle’s tyres grip the sides of the wall.

Now I bring my attention back to the baby. It has slid off the bed and is jammed between the corner and the bed. Awkwardly I reach down and bring it back up. Now its face looks more like a normal baby.

“The Crocodiles”
I’m up on a cliff top. There is a group and some kind of announcement that a mining (?) company has given half ownership to its workers. It’s a happy feeling. I see palm trees and then decide to take a walk.

I wander down a path. I notice a head emerging from under a log and I think it must be a lizard or a snake. It opens its mouth and continues to emerge, morphing into a small crocodile. Then I notice there are several of them and that the area is a little swampy. As I turn my back on them, a small, slender, white kitten comes from their direction. I briefly wonder if she’s a feral cat (though, now I remember it, she had a collar) and I also wonder if I should turn my back on the crocodiles, even though they’re fairly small. Then before me I see small animals, like ducks and chickens on the path and I realise they’re afraid of the crocodiles.

Note: Working in the morning, I was reading notes lent me by the former teacher of my senior class so I could see what they’d already done for when we start revision. A section on “The Drover’s Wife” mentioned “wizened children”, a dog called, “Alligator” and a snake. I wonder if to some extent last night’s dreaming picked up on what I’d be doing a couple of hours later.

Night 3
20th July, 2010
Recall is getting progressively worse. Again, I took a cold tablet that totally zonked me. I was woken around 5.30 by the dog wanting to go to the toilet. I’d been dreaming of a girl-at-work’s trip to the US (she’d been showing photos and talking about it yesterday to others while I was working and half listening). Also, I recollect another classroom dream. The teacher was at the front of the room with a pile of shoes (typical dream sign but I was a long way off lucidity) on her desk. They were all the same shoe; apparently she liked to buy multiples. My identity seemed to be something of a teen bully. Arriving late, I walked past a couple of girls that gave me a look and I said something intimidating to them.

Meditated for a while from 5.30, hoping to fall asleep.

“Trouble with Notes”
I’m in a classroom, the teacher this time, with a student I taught a few years ago. I have a pile of typed notes and somehow they’ve gotten wet. I can’t see how this could be so. I peel them apart. Some are irreparably damaged and they’re also out of order. I seem to want to cut sections out of the notes to stick them on a handout. When I pick up the paper, it’s upside-down-teardrop shaped. I comment to James that this is a ridiculous shape for notes.

There was also contact with Les. I don’t remember the conversation.

The clock radio goes off.

Night 4
21st July, 2010
Meditated before bed. Visualised “purple eyes” sporadically throughout the day. Looked at the drawn image of purple eyes whenever I passed it.

Another premature start to the day, meaning the loss of precious dream time. I won’t go into the detail, suffice it to say, poor recall. Used the early wake up for meditation.

“Breastfeeding”
I’m in a shopping mall. I have a small, plump baby that needs feeding. I put her to my breast and my two real sons react with laughing repulsion and take off. I cover the baby for modesty’s sake and feed her on both sides.

Remnant from the end of a longer dream
My uncle G is sitting or standing beside me on my right. He starts to inappropriately and sloppily kiss me on the side of the face.

Notes:
Today Richard said he picked up a colour. I wonder if it’s purple? I hope so. I wonder if any of the others have or if Richard’s comment will make them start focussing on colour as a possibility now.

Yesterday in meditation I waited with blank mind for purple eyes to appear without the mental effort of visualisation. This didn’t eventuate but my “visual field” eventually turned purple. Sporadically transmitted purple eyes throughout the day. Trying to be confident and, therefore, fairly casual in my approach to sending. Also looked at my hand drawn images and photos on my desktop to keep the concept present.

Night 5
22nd July, 2010.

No real meditation yesterday but, also, no medication at bedtime. The latter didn’t make a huge amount of difference in terms of recall, probably because I was work-oriented before bed (previewing poetry for a class) rather than dream-oriented. Nothing special here.

“As my Sons’ Sister.”
I’m with my son H but I’m his sister rather than his mother. We are apparently at school, I’m his older sister and proudly telling friends how tall he is. Then F is there too. I see my dream self in 3rd person and my hair is the same as F’s.

As the same identity, I’m in my “boyfriend’s” house, in the kitchen. He’s thin and curly-haired* and, when his mother leaves the room, selfish and sexually insistent in a teen boy way.

*Reminds me of a student I taught a couple of years ago; one with a particular look in his eye and impulsivity that made me feel he was genuinely capable of serious violence.

I’m with Sophie and she’s decorating a house. It seems it’s Christmas. She moves busily from room to room, placing mats and other items. This dream goes on for a while in this manner and I don’t recall all the details of Sophie’s decorating.

I’m in another house. Someone has a problem: they need to bring something heavy up a steep driveway. G asks me if I can drive them and then F asks if he can drive. I let him. The car is crowded with people (possibly with Anne and her dad in the back) but F successfully drives it up the driveway. We back out and there’s a puddle of water at the bottom of the driveway with a dog poo in it. G comments that he wonders why they’d let their dog play there.

Friday 23rd July, 2010.
Night 6 (Nearly there)

“Two Cars.”
Someone gives me a car. Even though it’s not a new car, I’m pleased. Then I’m given a second car, which I accept. I think about how I’ll use the two cars.

Later

“The Big Bus.”
I board an extremely large bus. The bus driver talks to me as we travel and now I’m awake I’m pretty sure he’s a guide from another dream. I forget what we talk about now (probably because I tend to cuddle and chat with G when we wake up instead of recording in my journal :D ) but we do talk. He enters an impossibly narrow drop off area and his manoeuvring of the bus is a completely surreal experience.

“The Singing Lady” (Mrs McGregor).
I’m listening to a lady sing at a restaurant. She reminds me of a teacher I had at school as she was back then when she was young- I recently thought about her for various reasons. She’s wearing a beautiful gown. She decides to give up her job singing there. When I next see her, she’s still singing but wearing a less glamorous, cocktail dress that has purple feathers or fluff at the hem. The dress seems familiar and I’m a little disappointed at her loss of glamour.

“The Drive Home.”
Now I’m supposed to drive home. I’m heading down a long country road. There are chickens and ducks that flutter out of the way of my car. (Farm birds are not a regular dream sign for me; I wonder if I’m picking up on something from someone in the dream experiment because this has happened a couple of times now). I realise that if I’d taken a right turn the trip home would be shorter. Still, I know my way.

This bit is less clear. There’s a gathering of women and girls. I see A.S (former student/Facebook friend) dressed like Audrey Hepburn and wonder if she’s going to a fancy dress. A young, slightly plump woman is leaning against a pole and laconically making some kind of joke about boobs while we’re joining in and having a laugh.

Night 7
Saturday 24th July, 2010

Meh.

Key, tree, guide, harp.

With the exception of a bit of extra bold lettering, this is as I sent it to Neil

[Korpo]

Okay, okay, epic fail this time. :mrgreen:

Are we gonna redo this in another setup, or shall we modify the experiment itself?

(BTW, I hardly ever notice people's eye color consciously or remember it. :? )

Cheers,
Oliver

[Sinera]

@Beekeeper

checking notes and memories again, I must admit I was far from seeing / noticing any outstanding purple objects or any eyes, let alone both in one :(

about the blue paint I can say, that I had a kind of strange intuition or gut feeling that it might be related to you since I read about your renovating the house, so that is why I had put it on #2, so my feeling was good :)

However, not with regard to my absolute #1, the little yellow bird, I'm still a bit disappointed that the chicken hatchling did not work, it was by far my strongest asset, at one time i was so sure it was the sign :(

Your chickens were bigger, grown-up ones I guess, no little yellow hatchlings bustling about among them?


@e1b

my description of the nurse is still very general, so I think it would be a far stretch to draw a connection here

@all

For completeness' sake: Here's the rest of the summarised dream notes (thematically, ranked from #4 down, not chronologically) the list which I also had sent to Neil (bolds added now), maybe you find some similarities too upon checking:

4. A Spanish Class at my former University (but most people unknown to me)
5. A pub brawl with an old friend of mine with whom I had a quarrel then, I am spilling beer over him, but we reconcile later on, it was a very clear and constant dream
6. Being at a Volksfest (public festival, funfair) meeting with a deceased mucial colleague of mine (this is a recurring theme, I dreamt this approx. a year ago)
7. A game of bow and arrows with a girl I knew from my school days
8. Another girl, a friend from University, goest with me to an old dancehall/pub I haven't visited myself in years
9. two times actually I also am in the old shared flat I used to have as a student in the 90ies with another friend and another student colleague
I meet the student colleague there, but since the dream is not unusual to recur, I don't attribute it to the experiment, despite its repetition
10. I live in a flat that is actually a kind of old tower. I share it with s.o. not known to me (or made clear). The strange thing is that he seems to have the same flat as me, everything seems mirrored there.
11. In the Spanish class at the end we (a girl which is my neighbour in the class) are asked by the teacher (who actually is a manager of my firm where I work) to re-arrange the chairs and tables, just to try out how it looks
12. I see a male teacher of my high school days (A-levels) pushing a buggy through a street in my home town from my childhood days (the school was however not from the home town of my childhood days)
now, don't ask me what THAT means :?
13. I run throught the city of Frankfurt which I know well (need to get somewhere, not sure if it is the train station to catch a train) I need to check the time, but all public clocks show different times (not unusal in dreams I know...)
I ask some strangers, a woman in a group of other guys for the time. She just shouts sth like "it's always the same (old story)" ..(well, did she think I want to "chat her up" to flirt with her or something? I didnt, just wanted to know the time), I leave her and run on

[Mishell]

I didn't participate in this experiment, but I'd like to send out the next symbol if that's ok.

[eyeoneblack]

(my dream excerpts are in blue - Beekeepers are as usual)

First Night

Immediately, I notice I’m on Alma Station – a non-existent station in my physical world. Once again I’ve gotten off too soon and I’m anticipating the anxiety of trying to find the right platform. I was supposed to go to Parramatta station (a real place; a familiar destination in my younger years).

This has nothing to do with anything - just thinkin'. Alma as in Alma Mater = 'bounteous Mother" (dict) Odd that Param Mater = 'great Mother' (sanskrit, param... as in Paramhansa Yogananda)


I notice my youngest son, H. He looks lost and I know he’s looking for me or trying to find his way back home.

This parent/child caring/nurturing is a common theme between us.



She's quite young at this point and I'm still her Father/Protector.

But first to get this out of the way and I don't get lost.


“Dogs”
There’s a group of dogs, some quite small. Bella runs towards them before I can restrain her but there aren’t any problems. (Quite a common dream)





There are probably five dogs in the house and they play a significant part in the dream. Soon the mattress is full of dogs - two of them very large golden retrievers (or yellow labs) who, of course, are very sweet, but very big as well.

Bella wouldn't happen to be yellow/blonde?

Back to the child theme.


There were four children in the house, one a toddler I relate to as my own child. I go upstairs and find him on a mattress... I lay down with him to cuddle him and see if he's running a temperature.


“The Wizened Baby”
Jenny T is holding a baby. I see that it has an old, wizened face and wonder if it has that rare disease that causes children to age rapidly.
I pick the baby up and it begins to whimper and then cry. I hold it close and it pukes on my left shoulder and then stops crying. I go into another room where there’s a double bed with a white bedspread. I lie the baby down and get distracted by something.
Now I bring my attention back to the baby. It has slid off the bed and is jammed between the corner and the bed. Awkwardly I reach down and bring it back up. Now its face looks more like a normal baby.

This is where it gets really weird, abstract and like a piece of good jazz. I have my father lying on the bed, he is old, wrinkled. Mother has drug him downstairs and he is behind the couch. (It has slid off the bed and is jammed...) They are struggling to get him back upstairs to the bed. (Awkwardly I reach down...) Then your wizened baby morphs into my toddler on the mattress that I have cuddled (nursed) and determined to be fine.


Dad is up there ... he is very heavy and not at all alive. I.e. like he was when he died. He's on the bed... I go to investigate and Dad is prone on his back behind a couch with Mother and the other lady bent over him. Like I said, he is dead. Mother had dragged him downstairs and the two of them were trying to drag him back up...


I’m in a shopping mall. I have a small, plump baby that needs feeding. I put her to my breast and my two real sons react with laughing repulsion and take off. I cover the baby for modesty’s sake and feed her on both sides.


Nurturing is the main theme of my first dream where Mother would not care for the baby/toddler or the dogs and it was left to me. In the second dream I feel the anguish only a parent understands when I believe my young daughter might be hurt which brings us to:


“The Distractions”
In a montage, I see my sister and sister-in-law jumping off fences and various other things. They’re at different ages as the snapshots appear. I think this curious: I hadn’t realised they were into jumping.

This one really is eerie..


She scampers up some steel structure ... runs out to the edge pauses only a second and jumps off. She's done this jumping off heights before, been practicing it which I think is nonsense ...


I see a vehicle driving up the side of a building.

Maybe like a car going up to the top of a tall building to get washed.


I wander down a path. I notice a head emerging from under a log and I think it must be a lizard or a snake.

Do say? I won't to quote from my dream about the snake as it was so prominent but -
I get a good look at his face and it's burnt-orange with the texture of an iguana - even his mouth is iguana-like.

Note to self: I was searching for 'Liz', not 'lizard' you silly brain.


A section on “The Drover’s Wife” mentioned “wizened children”, a dog called, “Alligator” and a snake. I wonder if to some extent last night’s dreaming picked up on what I’d be doing a couple of hours later.

Cool


“As my Sons’ Sister.”
I’m with my son H but I’m his sister rather than his mother.

There's a strange switch in my dream where I'm looking for my daughter to deliver me from the situation - a role reversal.

Ok, that's it.

[CFTraveler]

I definitely missed the boat- nothing purple at all- the only thing I can relate to what any of you dreamed is the 'riding in the car' dream and the 'looking at notes' when I was looking at the notification on some of the last days (and they weren't wet.)

[CFTraveler]

Okay, okay, epic fail this time. :mrgreen: But it was fun.


Are we gonna redo this in another setup, or shall we modify the experiment itself?

(BTW, I hardly ever notice people's eye color consciously or remember it. :? )

Cheers,
Oliver I think we should keep the setup the way it is, with new senders and 'trusted person', and keep it in this thread- it's easy to keep track of.


I didn't participate in this experiment, but I'd like to send out the next symbol if that's ok. Sounds good. Now we need a 'trusted confederate', unless Neil wants to keep that job.

[Korpo]

Well, seems like Neil wants to safeguard his dream time, so I guess he could do us the favor again.

On the other hand, my dream life also seemed to have its own priorities, anyway. ;) So, even when participating nothing seems to get lost.

I'll be offline at least for two days. I'll record my dreams anyway, though.

Cheers,
Oliver

[Sinera]

Okay, okay, epic fail this time. :mrgreen: But it was fun.
Yes, fun it was. And for me also a good motivation to enhance dream awareness again. Weeks ago I couldn't remember ANY dreams at all.

Btw, I would not call it an epic fail just because the main target wasn't reached. For me, it is not just about recognizing or not recognizing the set sign. Besides the prime goal, there are some "side-effects" to be measured, since we saw that other elements might be "transmitted along" inadvertently.

Of course, assessed with a skeptic's or a scientist's eye, we cannot take these overlaps as hard evidence for group/shared dreaming taking place. It still could be all by accident.

Anyway, for me the results were rewarding since I had some interesting overlaps with other dreamers. Food for thought it is, after all. I don't apply a black/white view to these overlaps (terriers, blue paint), the world is shades of grey. So I'd rather ascribe probabilities to the outcomes instead of deciding between either "yea" or "nay".

And maybe in the next run we will get the target (and hence hard evidence). 8)

[Korpo]

I wanted to add something about the blue paint. Before the experiment began I had a dream where I saw flowers and grass - but all the green parts had been painted blue. That struck me as very odd and I had no idea why.

Cheers,
Oliver

[Neil Templar]

well, interesting.

i didn't expect to have any overlap or even the symbol itself, but it turns out quite the opposite.

so, i must first tell you all that i knew from the start of the experiment what the symbol was - purple eyes. i didn't see the images Beekeeper was looking at, and indeed drawing (did you draw those eyes?)
so i never set any intention to try to pick up on anything.

however, now that i see that pick of the drawn eyes, with the words purple eyes underneath, i know that i've "seen" it before.
exactly as it is there. the two eyes, drawn in coloured pencil, and the writing underneath.
i don't even remember having seen it in a dream. but the image has been in my mind's eye this week.
absolutely.

also, on thurs night, i had an astral adventure that involved many white dogs, cats, and some aquatic creatures, very similar to sea-lions.
all white.

i'd definitely like to participate this time, on the receiving end, so we need to find another trustee...

[Beekeeper]

From my point-of-view, definitely not an epic fail. I picked up something from everyone of you and this was during a somewhat hellish week for me.

Volgerie, the chickens included chicks and I never ever dream about these creatures. I got the pile of shoes from CF (who was probably the teacher in my dream when i consider apperance) and even more overlap with E1B than I'd considered. Btw, Bella's a white with brindle patches and black spots Staffordshire bullterrier/Dalmatian cross. Two of you picked up blue paint.

I expected the connection to Oliver and CF to be easiest as we've had spontaneous shared experiences before (as I have had with Neil, so no surprise on the familiarity of my hand drawn eyes) so I put a little more focus on the other two.

Of course, last night I had a lucid dream. Grrrrr.

[Beekeeper]

Oh, I'm in Mishell. When do we start?

P.s I found 7 days a little long. Could we shorten the period, do you think?

[Challenge]

I would like to participate as a receiver as well in the next round. :)

[eyeoneblack]

Ok, guys, this was my last desparate attempt yesterday:


Is there a sky blue circle in a square? There were two and were they alike?, that was the proplem. That's from this mornings dream but it was too sketchy to bother with.

A sky-blue circle in a square, two of them, were they alike? Two circles - like irises.

Think what you will, but I'm callin' that pretty close, getting there. :P

I'm ready to go again and I think four, five days max. Some of us may miss out on one, so you catch the next one.

Richard

[Mishell]

I know what the symbol is going to be, but I need a volunteer to send it to.

I think Wednesday is a good day to stop. Then we could maybe fit another in at the end of the week.

[eyeoneblack]

If we don't have a trustee yet I'll be happy to do it. :) I was just meditating and I thought of some fun I could have from that position, as a confederate of the transmitter. But I'll have to say, I hardly think one is neccessary. I can't think of a person I've met here that doesn't have the personal integrity to pick a symbol, take a picture of it and wait a few days.

But, again, happy to do it if you need me.

Tip to Mishell, try to pick a symbol that isn't counter-intuitive. (Beekeeper :roll: :lol: :lol: ) Also that is universally common to the dreamscape and inner life. The more power it represents the easier we can connect with it.

Richard

[eyeoneblack]

Cross post!

Glad you have your symbol, send it my way if you like and it's agreeable with the rest of us. :)

Richard

[eyeoneblack]

I have received the pm from Mishell and this experiment is underway :D .

Shooting for 'ready' on Wednesday.

Richard

[Beekeeper]

Dreamers, put on your nightcaps!

[Sinera]

:shock: :?:

sorry, I don't get it ...

do we START on Wednesday .. or have we started actually now and solve it already on Wedneday, which means it's only 2 nights ?

(a bit short I think)

[Mishell]

We started yesterday. I'll reveal the symbol Wednesday. Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday. Should give 3 nights to everyone.

[Sinera]

oops :shock: :oops:

okay, 2 will do for me, I'll hurry then :wink:

[eyeoneblack]

When I think that only tomorrow dream-time for this experiment is over, I think that is too soon.

Can we give this another day - till Thursday?

You see, the trustee can't help but be a transmitter because he knows what it is and wants everyone to tune in and I think ya'll might benefit from a small extension. :) And it would give me a better chance at a little magic.

[Beekeeper]

I'm cool with that, especially since I haven't detected anything in my dreaming that I get a feeling is it.

[CFTraveler]

Fine with me also.

[Beekeeper]

Thursday here and I have to be honest and say I have no idea. There was a repeating idea in the first couple of dreams but I doubt it's related. I might just try to intuit it.

[Sinera]

Ready. Thursday morning here. As I will be away for some time, I post it now.
There wasn't anything so striking of which I really think to be a symbol, but anyway, here a short filtered list:

1. money coin, a handful of money coins
2. a grey cat (an animal popping up again into my apptment through the door (catflap?), and starving, asking to be fed, she says 'meow' - literally, It might have been little Susi, a cat of our household that died several years ago, this is the type: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/d ... A4user.JPG (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/de/thumb/3/3b/Echter_Kart%C3%A4user.JPG/220px-Echter_Kart%C3%A4user.JPG) )
3. woods and forests (and living there in a kind of home but with trees surrounding it)
4. lots of massive bookshelves in a private appartment of a friend of mine, with lots of books in it
5. keys (looking for keys in my trouser's pocket and hoping they will be the right ones)

[Beekeeper]

No overlap with Volgerie as far as I can tell.

Maybe something related to countries - a globe or a world map?

Here are my dreams. I didn't bother trying to "see" it. I might later, if I can get it in time. I'm not feeling confident.

Second Dream Experiment
Night 1
Tuesday 27 July 2010

“In India”
I wake up in India. I’m disappointed that G has gone out adventuring without me. I pass Narelle and she says something to me.
Now I’m with G and he’s telling me about a new Indian language teacher at his school, I presume she’s teaching Hindi and think this is unusual.
Again G is going out, this time with a group. I’m trying to catch up with them but I can’t match my socks and it’s slowing me down.

“Straggly Branch”
I have a plant that could be a red hibiscus. I notice that it has a very long stem that is much too narrow at a mid point. It snaps off, as anticipated, but I’m not worried because underneath this straggly branch is a healthy, bushy plant.

“Liz Hayes”
Is on TV speaking to the camera. She wears a grey suit jacket with nothing under it. It begins to gap open and expose her breasts. Surprised by this, I comment to G about what has occurred but he doesn’t react with much surprise.

“Shameful Things”
Now G’s mum is complaining to me about drugs and other forms of corruption. The dream gets strange here. Something (some kind of robotic?) transports G and me from one destination to another. We’re looking at one wall with some kind of display and then we’re moved through storage sheds and an empty car park to a wall of “shameful things”. I cannot for the life of me identify these shameful things with anything real. I’m wondering if they’re meant to be condoms because they’re made of rubber or if they’re supposed to represent drugs, though I cannot see how.

There was something else about robots earlier. Toy robots used to play games.

“Feng Plaques”
I’m in a gift shop, either still in India or in China now but it’s no different in appearance to some of our local gift shops. I pick a small wooden rectangular plaque, painted bright red and made for feng shui purposes, out of a bin of such items. It has words to the effect that it’s to counteract negative metal energies (I don’t think there is such a thing) in the Year of the Rooster. I toss it back and take out another that is painted golden.

Night 2
Wednesday 28th July, 2010

“The Yoga Instructor’s Romance”
This is presented initially in 3rd person as a movie dream. There is an attractive young man with dark hair. He is teaching yoga in an upstairs studio and he has classes of about 20. Immediately I’m sceptical about the movie, imagining that he’ll be presented as a wealthy person even though this is unlikely if is sole job is teaching yoga. He goes into Warrior 2 in an unusual way and very much in dancer fashion.

His girlfriend is an attractive Afro-American woman. She goes to him at the end of his lesson to discuss something about their relationship. The scene turns into a dance routine that doesn’t turn out satisfactory for the woman, who subsequently leaves.

Now I’ve entered the movie scene. I try to intercede on the woman’s behalf and, again, the scene turns into a dance routine between the yoga instructor and me. It seems to be becoming romantic and this isn’t what I was after.

Now all three of us are in the room. Somehow, the situation though not entirely resolved, seems better. The Afro American woman is putting a blouse back on over her bra.

“Mary Doesn’t Show”
I’ve entered a small civic building that is very crowded with people who have come to see an apparition of the Virgin Mary. I squeeze on to a seat like a pew with other people but our backs are essentially to the action and I’ll have to turn my head to see.

A woman presides. I watch other people come in, particularly a group of very attractive, very tall people in their early thirties, 2 men and one woman. One man has a bandana around his head that looks kind of stupid.

The proceedings commence but I see nothing there. The woman informs us that there’s a faint light but there isn’t.

Soon we’re out on the street. There’s a pancake place to my left. I’m looking down the street for G and the boys.

Fragment: “The Woman who Likes Poetry”
She’s older than I am and looks to be of Italian extraction. In conversation she tells me she reads poetry for enjoyment. This surprises me.

“Written Document on My Dream in Israel”.
I’m handed a written summary of a dream I’d apparently had and forgotten. The summary begins with a man’s short dream then relates mine. I know mine was really long and I’m disappointed that the summary is so concise. It begins by mentioning that my dream took place in Israel and that I involved animals. Reading it, I begin to recall an earlier, longer dream but I soon wake and it’s lost. The document seems to be the result of my involvement with some group working on dream development.

Other Fragments related to a school setting and computer use.

Day 3
Thursday 29th July

Just fragments.

Something about projection - either I went out for too long or I was, more simply, discussing projection in a dream. Probably the latter.

A discussion with another woman about the tilt of my pelvis.

A dream about Gabrielle. I think she gets a new job. There are levels on the wall marking physical growth on a doorframe that is obscured

[Challenge]

Most of my dreams consisted of a lot of fragmented events with many details that are to numerous for me to recount here, so I'll mention specific events if anything similar shows up in other people's reports.

Objects and symbols:
- (sun)glasses
- a small black marble with 3 circles (green/yellow and purple) that represents something of value
(could be similar to Volgerle's coins)
- lots of things and events related to flying/height (tower/lighthouse, clouds, flying over a forest,
a balloon, flying creatures...)
- books, booking a flight
- something representing the elements of earth and water (land and sea on a map?)

[Korpo]

Folks,

this dream experiment is extremely interesting, but from a different point of view. I see many suggestive dream symbols worth interpretation in this thread, many of them potentially related to OBE-like dreams.

Cheers,
Oliver

[eyeoneblack]

All three of you (Volgerle, Beekeeper and Challenge) have what we'd call 'hits' in RV'ing. But I'm waiting on Mishell. I PM'd her a few hours ago but haven't heard back.

[thrumming fingers on table]

:|

[Mishell]

All three of you (Volgerle, Beekeeper and Challenge) have what we'd call 'hits' in RV'ing. But I'm waiting on Mishell. I PM'd her a few hours ago but haven't heard back.

[thrumming fingers on table]

:|
Sheesh! It's only 7 AM here.

I'll go read the email...

[Mishell]

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x204/123picturesofme/dreamsymbol.jpg

I figured this symbol could be expressed in dreams in a lot of different ways.

I kept the picture on my computer screen and looked at it whenever I went into the room. I also would try to bring the picture to mind all through the day.

The other way I tried to put the symbol out there was to make an astral "room" for the participants in the experiment and put different variations of the symbol in that room. But I only did this a couple of times.

[eyeoneblack]

I tried to help this experiment along thinking that if I wrote a short story about a sasquatch this would build it up in the astral. I think it's really amazing that Volgerle and Challenge both mention forest (even Farewell2Arms who wasn't playing - or he was and didn't know it.

This is the introduction to the story:

"Deep in the forbidding rain forest of British Columbia, beyond thunderous streams and pinnacled clefts, ever shrouded in cloud and mist there abide since time immemorial the people and creatures of the Sasquatch. These are the stories of the true lives behind the myths and legends of this mysterious land."

I'll give you the short beginning to the story, as far as I got, in case you can find some other connections:

"Tashi peered over the spongy ledge and let go a spit-ball from his broad dark lips. Large black eyes fixed on the fading glimmer of saliva he stood motionless, thoughtless, as the infinity of gray-white his glittering liquid probe He looked across the giant fissure that separated his home from he not what and caught to the muted rainbow in the muted sun of a gray flannel sky.

“Tashi, Tashi!” Her powerful voice could not give breath without seeming to sing and could no more be lost in the rumble of cascade below than a violin in a sea of angry contra-basses.

clear water in so many little rivulets racing toward the deep impression left by his idle standing. the fern obscured entrance, the precious little fire"

(I didn't get very far at all, been busy - no editing just... well,).

Beekeeper tapped in with the hybiscus but moreso with the "Mary didn't show" part, afterall, Big Foot never shows either - he's a myth.

I included a bit of ceremonial magic - what effect that had I have no idea.

Are there other connections I missed?

[Korpo]

Hello, Richard.

Hmmm. Personally I'd say "forest" is too common a dream symbol to count as a hit. In any given week for a long time you would find dreams with reference to a forest in this subforum, for example farewell2arms' has recently posted one.

I believe the basic idea of receiving certain symbols in a dream is perfectly workable, and IIRC I even saw a similar experiment in "The Holographic Universe." People picked up on elements of a painting. So the basic idea works.

Also it seems that some of you have excellent dream recall. So I wonder what the decisive factor is that makes it work more clearly. I don't think it has to do with the sender, and I think the symbol was distinct enough to be recognised.

Does anyone think it would make a difference if it were more set up like a remote viewing experiment? Picture in an envelope, for example. Don't know.

Cheers,
Oliver

[Challenge]

Well we could split the group into senders and dreamers, a dreamer for each sender.
And give the symbol a bit more "juice" by having each sender draw/paint the symbol (or write about it just like E1B). Basically anything that requires creativity, concentration and a bit of emotion.

I'm just throwing ideas as they're bashing against my head here, feel free to ignore it. :P

[Neil Templar]

i've had a rough week since the weekend, so recall's been shabby.

there was a cd-case with a picture of an old ruined fortress/palace/city which was repeated a few times in a dream on tues night.
last night - big cats and dogs, and some unusual creature action, but these are common in my own dreams lately, especially the big cats. this time it was a beautiful leopard cub, playing in my bedroom... :D

[eyeoneblack]

KORPO! you argue (sorry CPW) suggest that forest is a common dream symbol and yet I searched the Dream forum and found only about 20+ original entries of forest; and yet, we had three within a few days even before Neil joined in.

I would say that is statistically significant and should not be poo-pooed by a person who isn't pariticipating anyway. Think about it, these references to forest are significant, don't you agree. :wink:

:mrgreen: :) :)

[eyeoneblack]

Oh, and that bit about the sender doesn't have much to do with it (still talking to Oliver) is so wrong-minded I wonder if the clock has not just struck the 13th hour? :shock:

Your FRIEND and ADMIRER,

Richard

[eyeoneblack]

And give the symbol a bit more "juice" by having each sender draw/paint the symbol (or write about it just like E1B). Basically anything that requires creativity, concentration and a bit of emotion.

Yeah, that's the idea. :D

[Korpo]

*waves the white flag*

:D

Oliver

[eyeoneblack]

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[CFTraveler]

I didn't have much dream recall and the ones I remembered don't seem to be related to it. I'll go transfer the ones I remembered to my journal.
Most were nightmares and personal, so I don't think I was 'up to it' this week.

[Beekeeper]

I woke up this morning and thought, "You idiot, we'd decided on a 4 day experiment and you posted after 3." Never mind.

Good dream symbol, Mishell. It would have definitely been memorable! Wish he'd shown up instead of Mary's no show.

I've been thinking we need to try modifications too. I'm liking what Korpo and Challenge have suggested or just a straight out remote viewing experiment.

I'd like a few days grace before we start again or I'll catch the next round.

[CFTraveler]

Me too. Too many things going on at the moment, can't concentrate properly. Or do it without me. :D

[Sinera]

I'd like a few days grace before we start again or I'll catch the next round.

I think that is a good idea, it's better than always to start immediately the new run (with or without modifications). Sometimes it needs to settle down a bit, also if people want to discuss the results - and maybe s.o. finds something relevant only later on second glance.
This thread / experiments should be ongoing, but every sort of sports, from tennis to football to boxing, has its time-outs, breaks and half-times. :wink:

I don't know if I feel well with complicated modes now proposed. It is also a time issue for me. I think it is good to stick to this rather simple procedure of one sender sending and the rest giving their best shots at it. At least for the next time I would rather stick to that method and not change it for every run. Just my 2 cents.

Another more personal reflection:
Still (maybe anyone with experience in interpreting dream symbolism could help) I marvel at what is going on with "my" pattern I discovered.

Within one week of dreaming I dreamt that ...

* a chicken hatchling ............. entered my appartment
* a white terrier dog ............. entered my appartment
* a cat ............................... entered my appartment

... if this isn't a PATTERN (PET-TERN :wink: ) then ... what else is ???

I never dream too much about animals, and secondly .. never about them entering my flat. So it is these two events combined .. and three times. That cannot be dismissed as an accident anymore.

What's happening? :shock: Does anyone know what it could possibly mean?

I feel reminded of Shamanism. Maybe these animals are all job applicants for the post as my Power Animal Guide. :wink: :mrgreen:

(But maybe I should seriously consider it, since I started reading a book on Shamanism a while ago, so I was into it. It says that if you are looking seriously enough, your power animal might pop up in front of you - be it in dreams or in physical life - and you can make friends then .. well .. but maybe I'm just going completely nuts now ... :mrgreen: :roll: )

Or maybe it's all easier and quite mundane: I should just go to an animals sanctuary and adopt a pet?

But is there any more hidden symbolism involved? I know that animals represent a lot of symbolism in mythology and also in dreams. But what kind of symbolism is it in this context?

[Neil Templar]

Another more personal reflection:
Still (maybe anyone with experience in interpreting dream symbolism could help) I marvel at what is going on with "my" pattern I discovered.

Within one week of dreaming I dreamt that ...

* a chicken hatchling ............. entered my appartment
* a white terrier dog ............. entered my appartment
* a cat ............................... entered my appartment

... if this isn't a PATTERN (PET-TERN :wink: ) then ... what else is ???

I never dream too much about animals, and secondly .. never about them entering my flat. So it is these two events combined .. and three times. That cannot be dismissed as an accident anymore.

What's happening? :shock: Does anyone know what it could possibly mean?

I feel reminded of Shamanism. Maybe these animals are all job applicants for the post as my Power Animal Guide. :wink: :mrgreen:

(But maybe I should seriously consider it, since I started reading a book on Shamanism a while ago, so I was into it. It says that if you are looking seriously enough, your power animal might pop up in front of you - be it in dreams or in physical life - and you can make friends then .. well .. but maybe I'm just going completely nuts now ... :mrgreen: :roll: )

Or maybe it's all easier and quite mundane: I should just go to an animals sanctuary and adopt a pet?

But is there any more hidden symbolism involved? I know that animals represent a lot of symbolism in mythology and also in dreams. But what kind of symbolism is it in this context?

before this experiment, did you consciously set any intentions before dream-time?
spending a week asking for something (unknown) to 'come into' your awareness during your dreams, is gonna have some sort of effect. that's what i was getting at earlier in the thread. it's always gonna end up interesting if we start asking something of our selves, where before we didn't.


i myself encounter animals very frequently. it's like a zoo in here sometimes! :lol:
i also had a little white terrier the other morning(that's twice in the past week and a half), in my house. and a leopard cub, both at the same time, playing together.
in this instance it's really interesting, especially the white terrier thing. i think that even tho some symbols seem to have universal interpretations, on one level, they also have personal ones, depending on the individual's feelings/relationship with whatever the symbol is.
is the terrier to be interpreted? or is it to be seen as a mark of the relative success(overlapping symbols) of our experiment? or is it both? (probably :wink: )

[eyeoneblack]

is the terrier to be interpreted? or is it to be seen as a mark of the relative success(overlapping symbols) of our experiment? or is it both?

I think probably we should look past any specific personal symbolism re the dogs (I had them as well) and consider that we set our intention to dream in a group, and in order to speak with each other we sought things we share in common. Everybody loves 'dog' so if you want to communicate in a foreign language such as dreaming, say 'dog' and everybody will get it. My dogs were big and blonde, yours were little and white, but dog is dog.

Volgerle liked the simplicity of it so he threw in chicken and cat. What am saying is it reminds me of flashcards for toddlers. Dog, Cat, Bird, Bear etc. Just a theory. But maybe we're trying to learn a new language, so we'll subconsciously share simple, universal things untill we get more fluent.

I don't know. :roll:

[Korpo]

Hello, Richard.


What am saying is it reminds me of flashcards for toddlers. Dog, Cat, Bird, Bear etc. Just a theory.

I like this idea.

Cheers,
Oliver

[Sinera]

before this experiment, did you consciously set any intentions before dream-time?
spending a week asking for something (unknown) to 'come into' your awareness during your dreams, is gonna have some sort of effect....i also had a little white terrier the other morning(that's twice in the past week and a half), in my house....

the intention affirmation I made was just "to recognize and remember the symbol sent by the sender" not more.

another white terrier? wow. no accident, I suppose.

so there are amazing similarities, as I said that I don't go for definite yes/no, but rather "scientifically" atrribute probability percentages, here is my personal resume so far, percentages meaning affirmative for "group dreaming evidence" beyond being accidental:

blue paint (dream vs. physical event between 2 dreamers): ...........................................90%
white terrier (now it's a 4 dreamers' dream event within a week): ..................................95%
yellow little bird / chicken hatchling (dreams of 3 dreamers, but still too fuzzy): ................40%
forest (3 dreamers, but sorry, eye1b, I agree with Korpo, it is just too broad) ....................20%

[Sinera]

Hello, Richard.


What am saying is it reminds me of flashcards for toddlers. Dog, Cat, Bird, Bear etc. Just a theory.

I like this idea.

yes, that is possible, every individual has his/her own matrix / translation table to be applied personally. so it is a kind of translation thing, problem is: we have again less reliabilty and more room for "creative interpretation" which might lead to wrong conclusions
but the idea itself is valid.

[eyeoneblack]

forest (3 dreamers, but sorry, eye1b, I agree with Korpo, it is just too broad) ....................20%

Now you've really got my panties in a wad. :evil:

Yooooou'll seeee. :D :twisted:

[eyeoneblack]

:lol: Actually, I think Korpo reconsidered and was in agreement with me - that the 'forest' was statisctically significant.

(Do they still teach analytical stat in school?) :?

You guys need a break, but I may not give you one. You will dream what I command. :!: :evil:

I'll send it to an unspecified trustee and wait and watch. Of course, we could make it a free-for-all. :D

This could be fun.

Richard

[laughing like Dracula]

[eyeoneblack]

Just did of search of the Dream forum; 87 matches for 'dog', only 42 for 'forest'. 10 for 'white dog' but there's no such distinction for forest so we can't make that comparison.

Do the math.

[Mishell]

I wanted to add That a few nights ago I dreamed about my old dog Jack. I knew it was a visitation, and it was so nice because it has been a long time since he visited me. He died about 9 years ago.

I hardly ever dream about animals, so I guess it is no coincidence that this happened the week I take part in the dream experiment.

Maybe if we were going to change anything about the way we do this thing we could try group dreaming just to establish some strong, easily interpretable symbols.

[eyeoneblack]

Maybe if we were going to change anything about the way we do this thing we could try group dreaming just to establish some strong, easily interpretable symbols.

Now there's a good idea. But how?

Dreaming with a group would be a free-for-all would it not? Giving each other our intended symbols and emotions - seeing who picks up?

How could we give it a try? Well, just do it. How else can we try?!

[Korpo]

:lol: Actually, I think Korpo reconsidered and was in agreement with me - that the 'forest' was statisctically significant.

It wasn't an unconditional surrender... :lol:

Oliver

[Korpo]

Just did of search of the Dream forum; 87 matches for 'dog', only 42 for 'forest'. 10 for 'white dog' but there's no such distinction for forest so we can't make that comparison.

Do the math.

Poor math. :mrgreen:

All mentionings of forest, woods, any significant amount of trees, etc.

vs.

All mentionings of all breeds of canine.

Now have fun. :shock:

This is an official challenge. I will now commence the "chicken dance..." :lol: :twisted:







(Don't do it. Just kidding!)

Oliver

[Neil Templar]

ok, so, group dreaming, and check our results?
sounds interesting...i say let's do it!

[CFTraveler]

So there is no sender or trustee, we just all decide to group dream and compare our dreams? Did I get it right? When do we start and when does it end?

[Neil Templar]

So there is no sender or trustee, we just all decide to group dream and compare our dreams? Did I get it right? When do we start and when does it end?

that's what i got. is that right?
should be interesting... 8)

[Mishell]

That's what I was thinking. We can start any time. I don't know when/how or if we should end it. It seem like we'd get a lot more out of it if we kept it going for a while.

[Sinera]

but isn't that a bit too fuzzy? no set targets at all?
then we might get discussions like this:

dreamer 1: "well, tonight I dreamt of a yellow tree"
dreamer 2: "oh, wow, I had a picture at the wall of woman holding flowers in her hand, that's a plant too ...wow, but I don't know which colour they were..."
dreamer 3: "i didn't have a flower or a yellow tree, but I dreamt of a window sill, and that is where you put flowers in vases on, and you can see trees if you look through them and happen to live in the countryside. So it is all connected, true?"
dreamer 2: "wow..."
dreamer 1: "yeah, strike!!. so many hits. amazing..."
dreamer 4: "I dreamt of a box-end wrench in my garage, I think this object really resembles a tulip ...well ... a bit .... and that is a plant after all ... Wow, this is real group dreaming takin place now..."

:mrgreen:

ok, sorry for the little sarcastic streak now, but isn't "let's just group dream and see what happens" a bit too "unambitious" now? I think that at least some thematic framework or scaffolding should still be set (don't know how yet, still pondering ...)

[Mishell]

isn't "let's just group dream and see what happens" a bit too "unambitious" now?

I have no ambitions with this.

I think if everyone relaxed a bit and quit trying so hard we might see results.

[CFTraveler]

isn't "let's just group dream and see what happens" a bit too "unambitious" now?

I have no ambitions with this.

I think if everyone relaxed a bit and quit trying so hard we might see results. I agree. Might even be fun.

[Beekeeper]

Okay, it doesn't matter what we attempt. We're free to keep changing the experiment as our creativity and whim dictates. What we do have is a solid little group of people who want to play with this. There's no reason why we can't conduct different experiments designed by people in the group with people participating in what appeals to them (or maybe what doesn't, just to be kind and co-operative).

With group-dreaming, we could get each person to imagine himself/herself carrying out a specific action or presenting a specific object. For instance, I read of a lucid dreamer who met someone (not lucid) he knew in a dream. He made the peace sign with his fingers right in front of her face. The next day he met her and she made the peace sign right in front of his face. He asked her why she did it and she said she didn't know. This, of course, worked with a lucid dreamer but maybe we could take the principle and apply it to ordinary dreaming. It's even possible to experiment with someone creating the dream setting.

So, all we need to do is to decide on what experiment is next, how long we wish to run it or and when it will commence.

I found this (http://www.lucidipedia.com/forum/index.php?section=viewtopic&t=1610)bookmarked the other day when I was finding links for someone interested in lucid dreaming. I thought you guys would enjoy it.

[Challenge]

I had a short lucid dream last night, and guess who showed up? A sasquatch! :lol:
Didn't remember during the dream that it was our last symbol, but couldn't stop
laughing when I woke up! :idea:

[eyeoneblack]

dreamer 1: "well, tonight I dreamt of a yellow tree"
dreamer 2: "oh, wow, I had a picture at the wall of woman holding flowers in her hand, that's a plant too ...wow, but I don't know which colour they were..."
dreamer 3: "i didn't have a flower or a yellow tree, but I dreamt of a window sill, and that is where you put flowers in vases on, and you can see trees if you look through them and happen to live in the countryside. So it is all connected, true?"
dreamer 2: "wow..."
dreamer 1: "yeah, strike!!. so many hits. amazing..."
dreamer 4: "I dreamt of a box-end wrench in my garage, I think this object really resembles a tulip ...well ... a bit .... and that is a plant after all ... Wow, this is real group dreaming takin place now..."


Funny. :lol:

I've heard, read or whatever that a collection of grandfather clocks, say in a shop, will eventually synchronize their ticking. That's the vague idea I have for the dream caucus. Say I start sending a dream theme, maybe a frozen lake, and Korpo starts sending 'troops in combat' (of course he won't because he won't play with us) then someone else sends 'toys' and then we all start dreaming about toy soldiers, 'The Nutcracker' and Christmas.

Maybe over time we can synchronize our dreaming along a theme of some sort. Shoot, maybe we could all start having flying dreams or dreams of travel to distant planets or meeting aliens. I'm just saying that we might be able to set up a sympathetic rhythm that collectively could be very strong and sweep everybody along.

I must be dreaming.
:wink:

[Beekeeper]

Just as a little postscript: I'm just home from seeing Inception and that car I saw driving up the side of a building, well I saw it again in the movie.

Okay now, enough speculating and playful ribbing. What shall we do next? Someone decide.

[eyeoneblack]

Ok, I've sent an image to another member, assuming she/he doesn't mind simply keeping the date of the image, then we're in play. There's nothing for anyone to do, I'll simply watch your posts for synchronicities and see what happens. After a while (a week maybe) I'll post if anybody picked up on it.

Richard

[Sinera]

Besides e1b experiment with another member and the group dreaming action taking place (it does anyway, actually I think we have been doing it since the beginning which is proved by the "collateral" dream similarities) I also now feel like trying to send a symbol, event or place myself if I may. I am neither a psychic, nor a good lucid dreamer, let alone a good meditator or whatever is needed. Nevertheless I'd like to try. :)

However, different from the modus operandi so far, I would just suggest we go along with all other usual group dreaming efforts, and I just look if sth comes up. So you could daily post your dreams and compare as you like (mee too, just keeping secrecy on my signal). If sth comes up that has to do with "my symbol" I can hint to it, or just wait longer.

(I know, some here don't want to wait long, but since I am supposedly not a strong sender I would like to try a little longer and more often to send it before unveiling it).

However, due to a busy weekend and next Tuesday being "off" work and then with lots of time during the day, I don't do it yet but only start on Monday evening to give out the symbol, trying to be transmitting it on Tuesday - all day long. (So now all can concentrate on e1b's symbol and other activities).

I'd have other suggestions for modifications of any transmitter-receiver experiments :

- bringing in a 2nd sender, logically the trusted member, to get a stronger transmitter signal (e1b already did a similar thing on the last experiment)
- sparing a trusted member if no one wants to stay passive during a run: uploading an encrypted file with the symbol (jpg) to a filesharing site, giving the link via PM to all participants before the start of the run, then on "solution day" the password together with the solution for everyone to check
- for the impatient :wink: : the group doing daily interims discussions as usual in this thread comparing our dreams, whoever feels like doing so, without the sender giving the solution yet unless the symbol has come up already, more or less.Then the sender might unveil it, or give some hint as to "hot, warm, cold" to describe how far away the receivers are from any solution.

[eyeoneblack]

Yeah, I like that! :D Anybody and everbody just starts sending. How does the encrypted thing work, though, that's the key?!

Good thinking.

Richard

[Sinera]

How does the encrypted thing work, though, that's the key?!

ok, so this is a technical test first, since I am not sure if it works for all of us

i am using Open Office (ex Sun Star Office) software and saved a jpeg in an RTF-text-file (rtf is supposed to be a "neutral" file type that should open with every office suite / text processing software .. well ... I hope)

I also use a free zipping-software to encrypt (and pack), 7zip, sometimes not all zip-programs open all kinds of packing-formats, so let's test this also (i cannot password-protect the document itself and directly since Open Office does not offer this possibilty for rtf-formats)

here is the file, as said: it is not in any way related to my symbol I will send later, so it's not the real thing - just a drill now :wink:

http://www.filefront.com/17161509/volgerle-TEST.zip/

just download the rtf file and try to open it

the password is: volgerle

please report if it works with your software programs you use or if there are any problems for anybody

i already tried a re-download for me, and opened it with 2 different (freeware) packing programs using the pw, it worked

[CFTraveler]

i am using Open Office (ex Sun Star Office) software and saved a jpeg in an RTF-text-file (rtf is supposed to be a "neutral" file type that should open with every office suite / text processing software .. well ... I hope) rtf=rich text format. It's the same as a .txt file but with more bells & whistles- you can put in different fonts and some image files in it.
Really old computers may not open rtf files, but they are not hard to convert to .txt files, unless you're using a picture. Then you' need to open it with Word, or you're SOL. :D

ps. I see the file is zipped (compressed)- some old com-poopers may not have unzip capabilities, but I'm sure that everyone here can open them.

BTW, it worked out fine for me.

[Sinera]

I just noted that this upload site always issues the system information:

"volgerle-TEST.zip
File name: volgerle-TEST.zip
File size: 68.2 KB
Downloads this week: 3
Downloads total: 3
Date Added: 07-31-2010
Popularity: 11% "

Therefore it wouldn't even be necessary to zip it. It's because I wouldn't need to give the link out before, but can wait til "disclosure day". The upload specifics are issued by the system of filefront.com by default and cannot be manipulated (not even for registered users and I am none of them anway). I just used the "select file & begin upload" button and a few seconds later already received the link. You can test it yourself, it's pretty simple, and I think better than e.g. Rapidshare which makes you pay for uploading and lets you wait if you're a downloading "free" user (=not paying), and btw: Rapidshare doesn't give the upload info and would hence be useless for our purpose anyway. :idea:

So I think that would be proof enough that it was uploaded on that day. :)
(Just need to make sure they don't delete it from their servers too early though. :oops: )

[Beekeeper]

So, let's clarify, E1B has started sending and Volgerie is starting on Tuesday? Can we avoid overlap and just have 1 experiment at a time?

I'm taking a brief break because I'm super busy. I'll let you know when I'm back in. I record my dreams anyway, so if I see correspondences (which is likely because I'm already entangled) I'll post.

P.s Volgerie, you are actually a very good sender. If you look at my dream record for the 1st experiment, you'll see your little farm creatures got into my dreams and I noted that they're not usual for me, that I felt they were somebody else's. Their simplicity meant they came through with far fewer distortions than the more complex imagery of E1B's dreams, which were, in their on right, quite an interesting lesson in shared dreaming.

[Sinera]

Volgerie, you are actually a very good sender. If you look at my dream record for the 1st experiment, you'll see your little farm creatures got into my dreams and I noted that they're not usual for me, that I felt they were somebody else's. Their simplicity meant they came through with far fewer distortions than the more complex imagery of E1B's dreams, which were, in their on right, quite an interesting lesson in shared dreaming.
problem: the animals were as "alien" to me as they might have been to you, so they might stem from a third (unknown?) source :shock:
or maybe they are really our shamanic power animals combined holding a meeting in the astral dream world for us :wink:

overlap is not bad I think, everyone just records dreams as usual, and we see what pops up

(last night bad recall for me, just fragments without context, I remember a pile of VHS or DVD covers, and some cheerleaders performing military march moves in a street around a roadworks area , ... strange it is ...)

I might start transmitting attempts even today/tonight.

[Neil Templar]

problem: the animals were as "alien" to me as they might have been to you, so they might stem from a third (unknown?) source :shock:
or maybe they are really our shamanic power animals combined holding a meeting in the astral dream world for us :wink:


animals have been heavily present in my dreaming lately.. :?

[eyeoneblack]

Well, I lost my trustee so I'm not sending just now. I wonder if I'm receiving? Just had a strange, in-your-face symbol that must have come from somebody.

Anyway, you know if I posted the hyperlink to a pic I have uploaded to an image host, I could corrupt the link so it didn't work, and later uncorrupt it. Pretty simple. :)

[CFTraveler]

Well, we spent the afternoon in the ER and did not sleep at all last night, so I'm not really receiving anything as of last night. Maybe tonight, if I can sleep.
My son ran into a wall (or rather, leaped) and hit his forehead. We went to the ER and got a head catscan (he's all right) but because of the head trauma I had to stay up all night last night waking him up every two hours and asking him inane questions, so my brains are rightly scrambled.
So IDK if I can receive anything when I finally do go to sleep.

[Beekeeper]

You should get some amazing REM rebound :D but you might be so tired you can't recall any of it :( .

You're a great mum!

[CFTraveler]

No recall at all, and am still tired. Not a great one, I'm sure any person would do that for their kid(s).
But thanks, BeeK.

[Neil Templar]

i'm not sure how much use i am in this experiment.
the past week or so things have been too intense.
many things in the 'outer' world are a-changing, and as such, the inner world is reflecting, and a little unfriendly...
seems like everything's for me...whether i want it or not :lol:

still, i read the posts and keep seeing over-laps in symbology...coincidental? i haven't 'intended' towards receiving more than twice since we started this... but i know that time doesn't really fit into the equation anyway...an intention set now can affect tomorrow or even yesterday... :wink:

i guess i'll keep an eye on what's happening here...3 eyes... i guess.. :roll: :P

[Sinera]

already tried sending a lot during this day, even from my work place
but tomorrow during the day I really wanna move up a gear :lol:

[Korpo]

Tonight's the first night I can actually free up again for any fun stuff. :) Last night was filled with a long dream I don't remember but which seemed to prepare me for an important appointment today. That was kind of expected, anyway.

Cheers,
Oliver

[Neil Templar]

last night i ended up giving lessons on Ho'oponopono, during a dream. :?
i had only read the word before, but never really knew what it was, until i looked it up today..

[CFTraveler]

I had one, it's in my dream journal.

[eyeoneblack]

I don't know about this 'storing your dreams' until 'ready'. We should just post them and see how they fit in in the end. I mean, I could post my stuff somewhere else - ??? I might be getting dream retention disorder. :shock:

[CFTraveler]

I don't know about this 'storing your dreams' until 'ready'. We should just post them and see how they fit in in the end. I mean, I could post my stuff somewhere else - ??? I might be getting dream retention disorder. :shock: I'm just writing mine down. When we were doing it the other way, I recorded it in a text file, and when we were ready for the 'reveal', I copypasta'd to the journal.
I don't think we're restraining anything since it became a 'group' dream thing, unless I missed something.

*and yes, I wrote copypasta.

[Sinera]

Yes, please. Please publish. :lol: I thought we had changed the modus operandi for this experiment now. Don't restrain please.

Regarding my sending attempt, I would like to ask you not to restrain sth and just to post your dreams continuously (if you do so usually) in your diary threads or (for me ideally as chart lists) here.

I will have a look at them so see if something might hint to a similarity to my symbol. Let's do it this way, please. It's okay, I will remain quiet about the dreams for the time being.

E1b, you said you had one impression or striking symbol? What was it? Please post. Let it out! :wink: :P

Who's in here to receive sth anyway still? Beekeeper, CFT, E1B, Korpo, Neil? How about Challenge, Mishell? Still in the experiment? I ask because would like to know whom I can try to send sth to.

If you have 'public' dream diaries , please give me the link to the thread (or external website) again.

[CFTraveler]

Today's entry: [ (http://forums.astraldynamics.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=17866&start=180#p133973)broken link, search my dream journal or OBE journal for the date, 8/3/10]
You can go from there.

[Mishell]

I've been doing this pretty half-assed this week.

Only a couple of things stood out so far. A snake, and a truck-stop in St. Louis. TH-that's all folks...

If your sending symbols directly to people you can try me and we'll see what happens.

[Beekeeper]

I'm still not participating for the moment. It seems like my stuff has been very personal since I've withdrawn temporarily from the experiment, so I'll just let my subconscious get that out of the way and I'll be back to participate next week.

[Neil Templar]

last night, a many layered pedestrian city, lots of alleys, and stairways going from streets to courtyards and rooftops. (i have dreamed many times of this kind of city, but usually it's a different city. tonight was the first time in this particular 'city')
it's a bit like that famous Escher picture, you know, the one with the impossible stairs?
actually, i just looked it up, and the image i'm thinking about is called ASCENDING AND DESCENDING.

i'm not sure how to attach pics here, so -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ascending_and_Descending


it is an island, surrounded by seas, beautiful blue water.
i come across a library inside, feels like a university/learning place. i see ancient books, legends from ancient civilisations.
towards the end, my friends and i are in a party, where three times, we open sealed packages, which contain books, from which we read dedications to each other. it is a happy friendly ceremony.
there i roll around on the floor playing with (yet another) WHITE DOG. he is a Boxer, or a Pitt-Bull type of dog. very strong dog. very friendly and loving. :D

a really enjoyable dream.

[CFTraveler]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/66/Ascending_and_Descending.jpg
Like this. Look at the code to see what I did.


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/66/Ascending_and_Descending.jpg

[Neil Templar]

cool, got it! thank you CF!

[Sinera]

I'm still not participating for the moment. It seems like my stuff has been very personal since I've withdrawn temporarily from the experiment, so I'll just let my subconscious get that out of the way and I'll be back to participate next week.
oh, that's a pity. :( - but of course I understand

anyway, hope you will join next week again, because I thought we might have established a good connection (either to each other or to some common source) due to the paint on hand and that whole zoo ... :wink:

please tell when you are ready to go again (next week you say?) and I will try to reinforce my "signal" then again hoping you pick up some "blue paint" - metaphorically speaking :wink: - from me

of course, for the whole group I am still regularly transmitting and storing it "up into the astral", since in my theory the exact time of when I do it is not that important. I think it is like an email that is posted and sent into someone's mailbox, waiting to be retrieved from there - and I hoping it won't be intercepted by the person's own subconscious spam filter :wink: (well what a nice analogy, isn't it?)

Btw, Neil's dream has already a kind of ... well .. interesting element (even two) that could be related to my symbol, not directly but with a little association round the corner. :wink: But I won't give away too much now.

[Neil Templar]

this morning, a short vision - a triangle frame made of wood. thru the frame i see a man sitting. the background is white.
then the background changes to a room with four triangular windows behind the man, and the walls are covered in wood paneling.

triangle?

[Korpo]

Had some really informative dreams this week because when I woke from them I could gleam some meaning from them right away.

Prominent dream symbols:
* A muddy slope I had to get up - slippery slope (the dream was about repeating a behaviour over and over with mounting frustrations)
* A Swiss Army Knife - "Can do" attitude, an attitude of understanding things as problems to solve and finding the right tool for it

Also I encountered toads on evening walks the last two nights. When I asked what this could mean I came right up with "a being capable of existing in two worlds."

Oliver

[Beekeeper]

Also I encountered toads on evening walks the last two nights. When I asked what this could mean I came right up with "a being capable of existing in two worlds."


Oooo, I like that.


please tell when you are ready to go again (next week you say?) and I will try to reinforce my "signal" then again hoping you pick up some "blue paint" - metaphorically speaking - from me


I'll try tomorrow (it's Saturday).

I was painting with that paint again recently and it really does look like the blue you identified when it's wet. It changes colour when it's dry and with the changing light. Then I cleaned the brushes and rollers outside on the grass and it fell on the yellow flowers of some fireweed. I wondered if I was watching what Oliver dreamt :D

[Korpo]

You know, the painted grass was so out-of-the-ordinary and memorable, I wonder if it was meant to get our attention. :)

Cheers,
Oliver

[Sinera]

@Korpo&Beek

wow, this really seems to be a great group dreaming event, same paint colour on wall/hand/grass in RL of one participant --> replicated as dream images by two other participants - guess, that is hardly an accident anymore
http://www.bilder-hochladen.net/files/8si5-w.jpg

@Neil

http://www.bilder-hochladen.net/files/8si5-w.jpg

what shall I say, more than interesting vision, some elements make sense, I have my interpretation of it laid out now, still there's no 'direct hit' (we mustn't expect one anyway), but some elements can be very 'symbolic of the symbol', some elements of course are not related, but round the corner interpretation yields some amazing possible association between my symbol and the whole scene you described (you'll see)

I don't want to give anything away, so I will not comment on any elements directly, in order to avoid that a symbol could be guessed by my hints instead of dream/vision-based deductions by the group.

http://www.chitchatting.com/images/shutup_smiley.gif is hard for me, but I will collect all relevant elements of your dream accounts, lists and guesses over the coming days/weeks here for me and do the detailed analysis after I revealed it, will be fun :lol: .

(moderators: we really would need some more and other smileys here. :wink: )

[eyeoneblack]

I'm not much in the loop, don't really know what's going on right now, but here's some scant journal of dreaming lately...

6:00 p.m. Aug 1,

This was a post-apocalyptic dream. The only image I'm going to deal with; it seemed we were trying to struggle our way through a huge white flower, the sort that is large and round with 'spears' for petals - a chrysanthemum - magnified so that each petals was ten feet high. We can't make our way up and through them so my gf (Rita/Jodie Foster) tries to make her way through the duct work of the destroyed house.

She's drawing or writing with crayons on construction paper and this long 'tape' of her work projects high out of the duct she's wedged in. I tell her I should try it, I'm a little narrower in the hips.

This dream went on and on, but that's all I have time for.

7:00 p.m. Aug 2nd:
I dreamed heavily but was enjoying the sleep too much to care about making any notes mental or otherwise as to what was going on. This is lunch 3:00 a.m. 8/3 and I thought to kill time I'd jot down a portion that was pretty freaky and not forgotten.

I take a young man's head (is it still attached to the body?, not sure) and place it on a table and with a regular chef's knife, broad like for cutting vegetables, I slice the top of his head off. This takes a bit even though there's no skull, just a thick rind, green and yellow like a cantaloupe but the interior is more like a red grape. The head collapses a little when the top is removed. The head has gotten slimy from the ‘juice’ so I look around for a towel to wipe it off while holding so the insides don’t fall out.

I’ll bet nobody sent that image.

[Sinera]

I take a young man's head (is it still attached to the body?, not sure) and place it on a table and with a regular chef's knife, broad like for cutting vegetables, I slice the top of his head off. This takes a bit even though there's no skull, just a thick rind, green and yellow like a cantaloupe but the interior is more like a red grape. The head collapses a little when the top is removed. The head has gotten slimy from the ‘juice’ so I look around for a towel to wipe it off while holding so the insides don’t fall out.
I’ll bet nobody sent that image.
No. Rest assured, I do not and would never send any gruesome images. :twisted:
No, seriously, mine is actually nice, or at least neutral.

But you might be surprised now that by the art of associative (RE-)interpretation :wink: I could even take this savage dream scene of yours and connect it to my symbol. It's possible, yeah. :shock: :P

But let me stress again (you will see that "connection" when I reveal it): My symbol is harmless. I don't want to cause anybody nightmares, nor myself, I hate them. I like to think of and to dream of peaceful things.
Speaking of peaceful, I cannot connect, however, anything from your first apocalyptic dream to my symbol.

[Challenge]

Part 1
I was in a bedroom in some sort of industrial plant and my friends were inviting me to join them in some activity. At that point I realize there's a corpse on the floor next to me and I was supposed to pick it up and toss it into the trash.

This is a freaky "coincidence" considering E1B's second dream. :shock:

Part 2
I was driving a harvester across a wheat field. There were also two girls next to me driving harvesters. When I was done with the work a young woman gave me a chainsaw to "take care" of some trees in the field.

That's all I remember.

[eyeoneblack]

I wish Korpo would have a go at the 'head' dream. :shock: 8) :P

[CFTraveler]

I wish Korpo would have a go at the 'head' dream. :shock: 8) :P Send him a pm with the link. He may not have seen it.

[Beekeeper]

Nothing has come up in my dreams but I did see an elephant's trunk in hypnagogia.

[eyeoneblack]

This is today's stuff, it was a busy 'night' but not very amazing. :lol:

The part about the false awakening and checking out the board here was a little ingriguing. Wish I could have read Volgerle's future post about what it 'is'. :mrgreen:

7:00 p.m. Aug 7th:
I receive a bride in an arranged marriage from India. She is young and quite beautiful. Her skin is the color of a well-roasted peanut and I am totally fetched with her. She is unpacking and a large cache of correspondence between her and her sister falls out. It is written in English and with an elegant hand and I gather from it that she is well educated.

She's intent on getting a job right away though I try to persuade her it isn't necessary. She's going to work for the organization that arranged the marriage and brought her here, but it seems that they run an escort service and I protest, but she assures me she won't be entertaining any gentlemen.

She starts doing whatever I am doing for me and I explain that American men are accustomed to doing for themselves. I start getting a sense were going to have some cultural differences, but she's so darn beautiful I'll deal with it.

She's working now and we're in a factory setting. She has some sort of leather art work on the floor and she is to apply an almond color paste very specifically here and there, but she's gotten it on her shoes and it dries like plaster. I try to explain that she must be more careful but she doesn't want to listen to my lecture on perfection and resumes her sloppy work.

There is some clandestine about this organization, something large and dangerous and the theme that I am but a child with his toys keeps breaking through. At a point three of us are trying to 'get away' and I've requisitioned three yellow scooters to help us (here we have red dirt again - was in the apocalyptic dream) but the scooters are mere toys only capable of a fast walk. Back in the factory I walk in on meeting of secret service types in navy suits and wires and the director comments that my secret service equipment is old issue, implying I'm just a boy with his sheriff's costume and I walk on.

In another dream I had a white crocodile with a white snake for a tongue. He was my pet and I thought how impossible it would be to keep him clean.

And this lastly, I woke up and remembered logging on here and reading somebody’s post. Must go in the category of false awakenings because my laptop was in its case on its hook on the wall.

[eyeoneblack]

I wish Korpo would have a go at the 'head' dream. :shock: 8) :P Send him a pm with the link. He may not have seen it.

I will, or anybody else for that matter. Whatever anybody cares to interpret would be interesting, no doubt, it's just that I think it would be too open-ended (open-headed?). But I'm always surprised by Korpo's analysis and other's as well. Just trying to think of a way to get him over here, play the dream game. 8)

Richard

[Sinera]

@e1b
one of your latest dreams is again fascinating as to my symbol, reading it I only had a "hunch" and did some internet research now (looking for clues and connections), and it turned out again to be really fascinating from a symbolic point of view
:idea:

[Beekeeper]

"Different Folks"
What stands out from last night is a dream about a sitcom. It's one of those specials made many years after the sitcom has ended, like a revisit now the characters are all older. The father from "Different Strokes" seems to be the patriarch and he has adopted three daughters. Their adult selves are terribly ugly and, in the special,they still act and dress like little girls. I look at one and she has a hideously long and square jaw. I could say like "the Elephant Man" but what first comes to mind when I wake to write it down is an Easter Island head.

The other dream had a male impersonating a woman dream and another referenced dark green paint.

I wonder if something will happen in India soon? It seems to featuring in a couple of our dreams.

[CFTraveler]

I'm not much in the loop, don't really know what's going on right now, but here's some scant journal of dreaming lately... Since Oliver hasn't gone into it, I'll take a crack at it, but I may not be 'on'....


6:00 p.m. Aug 1,

This was a post-apocalyptic dream. The only image I'm going to deal with; it seemed we were trying to struggle our way through a huge white flower, the sort that is large and round with 'spears' for petals - a chrysanthemum - magnified so that each petals was ten feet high. We can't make our way up and through them so my gf (Rita/Jodie Foster) tries to make her way through the duct work of the destroyed house.

She's drawing or writing with crayons on construction paper and this long 'tape' of her work projects high out of the duct she's wedged in. I tell her I should try it, I'm a little narrower in the hips.

This dream went on and on, but that's all I have time for. No clue about this one, were you in the stem of the flower crawling up? Seems sexual to me in a few ways. The flower being a female sexual symbol and you and your gf being both sides of your personality, your male side taking over getting you out of the female organ- a birth of sorts, maybe.


7:00 p.m. Aug 2nd:
I dreamed heavily but was enjoying the sleep too much to care about making any notes mental or otherwise as to what was going on. This is lunch 3:00 a.m. 8/3 and I thought to kill time I'd jot down a portion that was pretty freaky and not forgotten.

I take a young man's head (is it still attached to the body?, not sure) and place it on a table and with a regular chef's knife, broad like for cutting vegetables, I slice the top of his head off. This takes a bit even though there's no skull, just a thick rind, green and yellow like a cantaloupe but the interior is more like a red grape. The head collapses a little when the top is removed. The head has gotten slimy from the ‘juice’ so I look around for a towel to wipe it off while holding so the insides don’t fall out.

I’ll bet nobody sent that image. As a side note and for no apparent reason this reminds me of the head the knights templar are alleged to have had stashed somewhere which talked to them.
Anyway, it's a young man's head, I'd consider it a symbol of the thoughts/belief system of a male aspect of you. Separating the head off the body seems to me the act of disassociation your 'rational' 'male' brain from the rest of the body (sensory apparatus) and possibly emotions. You are doing it with a knife, which seems really deliberate- you recognize the duality of your male/female sides and are trying to separate one from another.

If you take those two dreams together I'd say that you have some issues with your female 'emotional' side or having trouble with women in your life- maybe- or something like that.
:)

[Korpo]

Hello, Richard.

I actually had no internet connection on the weekend, so I could not read anything or respond. :?

The head dream... hmmm. So, off the top of my head ;) I'd say...

* The top of the head is associated with the crown chakra.
* Going from green to yellow to red is the color order from the heart chakra downward.
* I once saw a green and a yellow layer in people's aura, one inside the other.

Bones are usually the "supporting structure" of the body. This is further evidenced by the "collapse" of the head due to the lack of support. So, you try to open someone's head - opening their mind. The crown is symbolic for the higher learning in man, so you want to open that man's head for higher learning. But you realise there's no supporting structure (skull bone) to support this kind of openness - the minor collapse. The head is also a symbol for the mind.

The supporting structure is usually the belief system, but also the knowledge. To connect to something new you need some structure (bone) to build upon. Realising this you try to support this by yourself (trying to hold the head) and you also might interact with that person's energy (juice = current/electricity = energy).

The layers you find might be part of that person's development. This would denote layers till the heart chakra. This person could then be an energy body of yours or another person. Whoever you're looking at, it's the "inner qualities" you seem to be investigating here.

If this is indeed about the chakras of an energy body as well, then the crown would be integration of the whole energy body. However, from the colors found within it might be that the actual growth (body tissue could also be about growth) has only progressed to the heart chakra (a common association with the color green). If so, this might be the reason why there is no supporting structure yet at the level of the crown - the person's growth has not yet arrived "up there" - the supporting structure has not yet arrived at that level.

Cheers,
Oliver

[Korpo]

Hello, Richard.

About the secret service guys.

I think the term is to be looked at as a wordplay - "secret service." This refers to doing your service by others "in secret" (on the other side). In fact, secret service is a symbol that has been coming up rather often - see for example CF's dream journal.

You note how the secret service guys (these could be your support team) having these navy suits. Clothing can be about energy bodies - here it is like being "properly dressed" or "apropriately dressed" for one's environment. Similarly each energy body is apropriate to its specific environment. You basically want to join in on the secret service, but you are told that you are not in the right energy body (old issue) yet to do so.

This remark might have been issued without judgement, but you take it personal. I doubt it was diminuitive in any way, but a remark like that can easily trigger a feeling of inferiority.

Now going back to the scooters - you might be used to much faster movement on the other side, at that level where the secret service guys operate. Compared to that the scooters move at a snail's pace. Different energy bodies have different speeds - the mental body is said to move instantly (speed of thought). The farther "away" from the physical plane you get the faster the perceived speed of movement.

The organisation might seem dangerous because you feel its power and influence. There is a subtle and ongoing influence of the nonphysical on the physical. This is often perceived as "secret" and "clandestine," and many connotations are added to it. The fear of the soul is often mixed into that, too. The whole structure can also be perceived as alien, for example. Compare for example sono's dream: [ (http://forums.astraldynamics.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=20989)broken link, find sono's journal for Aug 9, 2010]

Cheers,
Oliver

[eyeoneblack]

Whoa! :P Thanks guys. Pieces of the puzzel are starting to fall together. I can't help but tie the 'mail-order' Indian wife into it as well which fits CF's senario mighty well and the chakra colors, Oliver, yep right on.

I'm going take a bit to wrestle with it all and get back to you.

You guys are really good. :lol:

Richard

[Sinera]

"Different Folks"
What stands out from last night is a dream about a sitcom. It's one of those specials made many years after the sitcom has ended, like a revisit now the characters are all older. The father from "Different Strokes" seems to be the patriarch and he has adopted three daughters. Their adult selves are terribly ugly and, in the special,they still act and dress like little girls. I look at one and she has a hideously long and square jaw. I could say like "the Elephant Man" but what first comes to mind when I wake to write it down is an Easter Island head.

The other dream had a male impersonating a woman dream and another referenced dark green paint.

I wonder if something will happen in India soon? It seems to featuring in a couple of our dreams.
wow, well done Beekeeper, for me there's an amazing near hit (or close miss respectively) in this post, seems we all get closer to my target - step by step, something's really happening here again, (although I did not expect it from the outset we could even get a direct hit soon, the experiment is running well so far, absolutely interesting results)

please post dreams or lists, dreamers, I'm hungry for more http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/images/smilies/hungry.gif

[Neil Templar]

i had a rather fun dream about being on a huge ocean-liner. massive big boat.
there was much focus on food. i was choosing from a selection of fruits vegetables, most of the ones i picked were crazily oversized! i particularly remember a pear, and a cucumber, or perhaps it was a marrow of normal proportions... :wink:
there was some confusion about my ID, so the staff took my phone, to scan it to see if i was who i said i was.
then it turned out that they had printed copies of all the photos taken by the camera on it.
i was very unhappy with this infringement of my privacy, so i started complaining and asking to see someone superior.
i was taken to some sort of control room, where a man was trying to bargain with me, offering me a seat in "business class" with more comfy seats, if i promised to not press charges.
then some other woman started to try to equate my privacy infringement with the fact that hospital staff were able to see her "private parts" while she gave birth to her child.
i told her it wasn't the same, and told her to "SHHH!!".
that seemed to piss off the other staff members, a couple of other guys. they got quite angry and started having a go at me for speaking to her in what they deemed a disrespectful way. i apologised, then one of them who continued to keep on at me, put his hands on me, as if he was about to push me.
i then told him to get his hands off me, or i'd be pressing charges of assault.
they were once again concerned about me making a formal complaint, so they backed off...

then i was in some sort of staff room, for relaxation purposes. there was a pool table. there i met a number of female staffmembers, who each proceeded to give me their business cards, or to write on bits of paper, each writing heir room number on it, hoping i'd pay them a visit! 8) :wink:
i had much fun deciding which of these lovely ladies i might visit, but in the end got bored of playing that game. i wasn't gonna visit anyone, i decided.
i went back to the seating area, and got myself some more fruit and veg to munch on...

that's about all i can recall. :D

[eyeoneblack]

I'm going with a Dijon mustard / sandy color and something about electricity/source of energy/earth/ground(ing). It'll be my bedtime soon and I hope I can have a chance with today's dreams here before this is over. But we'll see, probably doesn't matter. :? :|

[eyeoneblack]

i went back to the seating area, and got myself some more fruit and veg to munch on...

I have been obsessed with fruit/vegatable images lately. And btw I love your attitude about the heirs wanting you stop by and you deciding not to bother. I just think I can relate, that's all.

[Korpo]

Hello, Neil.


there was some confusion about my ID, so the staff took my phone, to scan it to see if i was who i said i was.
then it turned out that they had printed copies of all the photos taken by the camera on it.
i was very unhappy with this infringement of my privacy, so i started complaining and asking to see someone superior.
i was taken to some sort of control room, where a man was trying to bargain with me, offering me a seat in "business class" with more comfy seats, if i promised to not press charges.
then some other woman started to try to equate my privacy infringement with the fact that hospital staff were able to see her "private parts" while she gave birth to her child.

Imagine somebody is "taking your identity" in nonphysical reality - a gatekeeper for example. Your identity is literally your whole being. The gatekeeper sees all (the photos). It's actually not avoidable, but you take this kind of "in-sight" into you as breach of privacy.

Now there's a metaphor. We go from "privacy" to "private parts" - most people would never show a stranger or a person they know little their private parts. It's a deeply ingrained social convention. It's not inborn. However, if a woman gives birth she has no choice but to accept this "breach of privacy." This expresses how there are situations where overriding your privacy is inavoidable but for the good of the person.

I think the rest of the dream is devolving into venting your outrage. Your emotions are taking the dream into a different direction to accomodate this release, but the opportunity to get past the gatekeeper is gone.


i went back to the seating area, and got myself some more fruit and veg to munch on...
The outrage has been vented and you can settle again into more "fruitful activities."

Regarding "privacy" and "private parts" - CF had a similar dream where she entered a sauna, thinking it was private. Then she felt cheated as she found it was public and somebody had taken her clothes. The same topic of "invasion of privacy" - here expressed through public/private and through clothing (covering ourselves - creating privacy). All of this is involved with our identity and also with issues of shielding ourselves from others (another aspect of privacy).


then i was in some sort of staff room, for relaxation purposes. there was a pool table. there i met a number of female staffmembers, who each proceeded to give me their business cards, or to write on bits of paper, each writing heir room number on it, hoping i'd pay them a visit! 8) :wink:

This might have been the reversed version of the same process - these ladies give you part of their identity and invite you to learn more. Here privacy is opposed with potential intimacy. Giving up privacy here could lead to a desirable outcome. Here the social convention is respected in that your counterparts are female, to make it easier to contemplate becoming more intimate with them. Phone numbers are identity - we don't give them out to anyone. Getting a female's phone number is a cultural image for "invitation for a greater level of intimacy." This all seems to be some way to ease your feelings about showing someone your "energetic identity."

Cheers,
Oliver

[Sinera]

I'm going with a Dijon mustard / sandy color and something about electricity/source of energy/earth/ground(ing).
do I understand right that this is dream content you mention? could you enlarge upon this, what was the dream context exactly? were both elements (dijon/sandy colour and electricity/ground) in one dream? or two dreams apart?
(yes, could be a little relevant for my symbol again, that's why I'm asking)

[Beekeeper]

wow, well done Beekeeper, for me there's an amazing near hit (or close miss respectively)

Pleased to hear it because I "programmed" for it that particular night and it seemed an odd enough dream overlay to at least suggest something.

[Korpo]

Had something happen I don't I ever had happen before. I kissed a woman in a dream and it was as fully detailed a sensation as if it had happened physically - taste, pressure, sensation.

Usually I do stuff in a dream but I only take note of it - I see what I'm doing, I'm aware I'm doing something, but usually I don't feel what I'm doing.

Oliver

[eyeoneblack]

I'm going with a Dijon mustard / sandy color and something about electricity/source of energy/earth/ground(ing).
do I understand right that this is dream content you mention? could you enlarge upon this, what was the dream context exactly? were both elements (dijon/sandy colour and electricity/ground) in one dream? or two dreams apart?
(yes, could be a little relevant for my symbol again, that's why I'm asking)

The color comes from my Indian 'bride's' dress and shoes. Red earth has been prominent in two dreams and I've thought that it's red in my part of the country because of the iron content, but electricity/grounding/source comes from a liminal moment when my laptop was misbehaving. I thought to give it a hand, tranced mildly in order to polarize my body and felt energy from the core of the earth streaming through my feet and legs. And the computer started behaving as it should.

I'm only saying this up because Beekeeper and the Easter Island face, but my bride was morphing in the upper lip - extending and getting darker.

So that's where it all came from. :) :?

[Sinera]

I'm only saying this up because Beekeeper and the Easter Island face, but my bride was morphing in the upper lip - extending and getting darker.

so you had a similar "morphing" like Beekeeper with a face in front of you?

"morphing in the upper lip, extending" - interesting ... morphing how and with what? how would you describe the result? could you show/describe how it looked like in the end with an example? could you maybe find a picture (e.g. google-picture search) that shows sth similar how it looked then (after morphing/extending or while morphing/extending)? so it's similar to Beekeepers Easter Island face, or sth different?

[Beekeeper]

There's also the similarity of potentially dark skin/exotic origins. The girls in my sitcom were African American, Richard's was Indian.

[eyeoneblack]

so you had a similar "morphing" like Beekeeper with a face in front of you?

"morphing in the upper lip, extending" - interesting ... morphing how and with what? how would you describe the result?

I notice it when she is bending over unpacking so I don't see her lower lip and chin, but her upper lip was starting to protrude like too much of injections that women are getting to get the pouty look (the area beneath the nose was starting to curl up) and under the nose a dark line of a black moustache seemed to be forming.

And that's the best I can do. :?

This is from last night:

Awhile after waking it didn't seem I had any dream recall at all and then a little later it started coming back to me, parts fairly vivid but most was lost I'm sure. I only had time to jot down a few key words and now it's hours later, but:

I'm on the back of a motorbike, don't know who's driving, but we have a helium balloon tied to the bike and it's going to take us up in the air. I'm little nervous about this, but we rise and rise and I wonder how we're going to get back down with only one balloon? We do but we land in a ravine and use the motorbike to climb the steep earth (again).

We're in a sunken 'valley' or crater maybe and I notice that clear cold water is pouring out of solid rock in a sort of magical way.

Then there is a scene where we're in a building where ice is made, but we've brought our own ice in a bag? Then I buy a cup of coffee in a cafe. I don't pay for it and the hostess ask me for the money. I explain I only have this worn and faded $100 bill, one dollar and some change that isn't enough because I don't want to give her the hundred so I'll pay her later. She protest and I remark that she's really quite pretty with her silver hair and she decides to let the coffee issue ride.

[eyeoneblack]

When I add things up in my dreams I could talking about a solar eclipse - moon (ice/silver), Earth, darker. But it doesn't jive with beekeeper so I'll spin the wheel, Pat. Give me an 'X'.

:)

[Neil Templar]

how long does this go on for?
are we waiting til someone gets a *hit*, cos i'm getting impatient :P

[Sinera]

There's also the similarity of potentially dark skin/exotic origins. The girls in my sitcom were African American, Richard's was Indian.
good point again :idea:

[Sinera]

how long does this go on for?
are we waiting til someone gets a *hit*, cos i'm getting impatient :P
still too interesting for me to keep it going, because still results come in, so I would like to go on for a while but I don't expect the exact hit anymore (or maybe by guesswork from the common dream clues with help from me)
i wish the dreamers would post more dreams, but most seem out of it somehow for the moment
:(

however, I would myself not be of great help now because my dream recall has become lousy again (was better when we started this experiment, maybe due to affirmations I did then)

However, I already started to write the detailed analyis, which is fun :) .
So when I reveal it be warned, you might get a looong post, because it gets extended all the time as more and more interesting connections and interpretations can be made - some of which are a bit adventurous I already have to admit. :oops:

[CFTraveler]

I've been posting mine in the dream journal- but I didn't post last night's because my recall has not been the greatest. I do recall feeling pain and fear in last night's dream(s).
I think I dreamt I was overshadowed, but it's more a feeling than a memory.

[Mishell]

There's also the similarity of potentially dark skin/exotic origins. The girls in my sitcom were African American, Richard's was Indian.
good point again :idea:

I dreamed about a dark skinned man this week.

Last night there was a golden retriever. He wasn't just blond, he had a gold aura and I knew he was an angel. It wasn't a full dream. I was in a dark space then there was the dog and he left through a doorway. I don't know where I was last night! But it is worth pointing out that the one time I had an OBE with the intent of doing a soul retrieval on someone who had died but not crossed over, the helper who came to take the spirit to the other side came in the form of a dog.

[Sinera]

There's also the similarity of potentially dark skin/exotic origins. The girls in my sitcom were African American, Richard's was Indian.
good point again :idea:
I dreamed about a dark skinned man this week.

cool, :)
any more recollections on this dream, the context or the looks of that man?

(@ all: I would like to note, however, that dark-skin / exotic origin or similar notions are one (side) aspect of my pretty multi-faceted dream symbol, and it might even be misleading if one concentrates on this trace only and starts to interpret content only in this direction now; so it would still appear to me the best if you mention all dream symbols that stand out, are striking, remarkable or strange or whatever.
@CFT: yes I read the entries attentively , so far I did not detect sth clear that could relate to my symbol, might have to do with the fact that many of your latest dreams seemed very personal and so they logically contain less "external" or "invasive" dream symbols, that is my impression)

[Mishell]

Here you go Volgerle.

Almost every time I woke up that night I found myself singing a song from Sesame Street. "One of these things is not like the others. One of these things just doesn't belong..." This song seems to be about me not fitting in in the environment I am in right now.

The Sesame Street theme continued into my dream. In the dream I was at some kind of convention. There were lots of Sesame Street people there. We waked past Luis and I told my friend that I thought he was really cute. His name was spelled weird in the dream. Lewees or something like that. I recognized the odd spelling of his name to mean he was representing an aspect of myself. I'm not your average Michelle.

There were a lot of trips to the bathroom in this dream(as there always are with all day conventions). During one of my trips to the bathroom I saw that it was an absolute mess. Filthy. Also, there was a guy in there! He looked like a bouncer or a big bully. He told me I couldn’t use this bathroom. I didn’t even consider leaving. I just pushed past him and went into one of the stalls.

I went outside and was walking around with some people. On the way back in I saw Luis again. I asked him if he wanted to walk with me and he said no. He told me he overheard me say that I liked him. I said, “So…” like it shouldn’t matter. He thought about it for a second and decided it didn’t really matter and walked inside with me.

Inside there were TV screens playing scenes from soap operas. I went up to one and saw that there were 3D glasses to use. I put a pair on and thought that the soap opera was a silly imitation of real life.

When the convention was over and all the people were filing out of the room, there was a part of me I could overhear that said, “It’s been 500 years!” as if something important had finally been accomplished.

[Beekeeper]

Volgerie, I'm flatchat with the new house, two jobs and organising a workshop. I've been consciously leaning towards a guess that the dream symbol is a tribal mask of some kind. I'm getting it out of the way so when I get a chance to relax and dream well my subconscious mind will be free of guesses.
http://www.google.com.au/images?hl=en&biw=1094&bih=571&gbv=2&tbs=isch%3A1&sa=1&q=tribal+mask&aq=f&aqi=g5g-m2&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=
http://www.google.com.au/images?um=1&hl=en&client=safari&rls=en&biw=1094&bih=571&tbs=isch%3A1&sa=1&q=african+masks&aq=0&aqi=g1g-s1g8&aql=&oq=african+ma&gs_rfai=

[eyeoneblack]

Grrr... I wrote this @ 3:00 a.m., saved it, now it's gone - must record again.

My daughter and son-in-law decide to buy a very extreme bike in an up-scale department store. The bike is like a chopper with a long extension to the front wheel, but it's not a wheel. the image of it is very vivid and I just took some time to sketch it. There seems to be something significant about it in my imagination.

The bike is of very heavy construction and the extension to the front 'wheel' is like 8 feet long and made of 3" pipe or more and the 'engine' is likewise massive. Rather than a wheel, however, there was a vacuum sweeper casing (like the big chrome one Grandma had) and I think there were wheels inside it. It was cast iron though.

The 'engine' was so large one couldn't really straddle it and it was enclosed - like a huge egg. The bike was two-tone, light gray and pastel green.

So L buys the bike at $3000! and gets aboard. It leaps down the stairs which breaks the massive casing of the front-end device. Boo!

A lady asks if the Ceasar salad is ready. I explain that L is probably in no mood to be making salad right now.

Ceasar salad is made with romaine lettuce - is there something Roman to the Volgerle's symbol?

[Sinera]

e1b, beek, mishell:

you won't believe me, but all last three of your posts are with elements truly valid for my symbol. (it is, as I said above, multi-faceted, even more than I knew before, as i notice now) :D

e1b,
you talk about a sketch/outline of that huge motorcycle? could you make a sketch and upload it somewhere on a free photo-upload site to show it? just a rough sketch of the overall form would do.

[Neil Templar]

i dreamed of my bike. this isn't unusual for me tho. it's a bicycle, not a motorbike, btw.
i rode it into an area that became quicksand. the sand gave way to a space underneath...void. i threw the bike up onto the grass at the side of the sandy area, and proceeded to try to get myself out of the sand. i ended up standing on various plumbing pipes that were in the sand, attached to a kitchen sink, which was dirty and cracked.

strange that there was nothing under the sand. not a hole in the ground or anything...just nothing. not space either. just a sense of nothing. it wasn't scary either. just...inconvenient.

[Sinera]

neil:

another good dream for me to interpret, thanks :)

[eyeoneblack]

Aug 13, 4:00 p.m.
The dream was another epic but my recall, again, is not the best. Seems I've acquired/inherited a cattle ranching empire. I'm terribly rich and I have attorneys and field hands and lots of land. I think about it and this dream is set in my imagination of a ranch in Australia - the landscape is arid and flat. The town appears to out of the 50s. Or it could be West Texas, like Lubbock maybe, CF.

My grandson has been 'invested' into two heads that are slick representations of him but with black shiny hair like my laptop. His face is a porcelin white and his upper lip is curled up. Two hi-tech versions of his head looking at each other like one looking in a mirror. We can hear him talk and his sing-song little boy voice is exactly his and he makes conversation normally as if he still had a body. I do not have oracular dreams, so this doesn't bother me. The lips on the head don't move and it makes no facial expressions, we just hear him talk to us.

In the shop my red pickup is being serviced by a horse that talks. She dips her head down and then rubs her muzzle inside the bed and along other areas of the back of the truck. She makes it very slick and shiny where she applies her muzzle but there is something more important to this operation than waxing the truck. ? Protection of some greater degree. She talks but the voice doesn't come from the horse, like the head, we just hear her. She's matter-of-fact like a working horse and complains that she hasn't had a drink since yesterday. But for some reason she mustn't have water now.

Mother has bought a new, latest and greatest fur coat with my new-found money. It is the buff/sandy color I've mentioned before. I try to put it on but it is rigid, like putting on a tent and I can't get one arm through so I'm just stuck inside this coat. Mother tries to tell me how to contort my arm to get it through the hole, but I can't do it and give up. The hands are moving some stuff around in the house and knock over a table with some jewelry of hers on it. A diamond ring has fallen on the floor and I scramble to find it and when I do she comments that it is a poor quality diamond she got from an aunt when she was young.

Dad has gotten himself a flying car. Don't stop here, this is where it starts getting fun :lol. It's a Ford Fairlane 500, red and white convertible, 1960s model. A number of people jump in and he's going to fly it for the first time. I am really nervous about this. The car levitates, pitches back and forth a little, and he takes for the skies, but I can tell he doesn't know really how to operate that thing. He soars up a few hundred feet and cruises around.

I turn my attention to an advisor that is telling me I need this high-powered attorney. There's a middle-aged guy reclined on a chaise just napping or something (there are a number of people mulling around), I check on the flying car and Dad's pitching and yawing but still cruising high above us. Eventually I notice Dad has decided to bring the car back down. I watch nervously as he tries to set it down in the lot of an abandoned gas station. At the last moment it slams to the ground, bouncing one of the occupants plum out.

Simultaneously huge clouds of billowing yellow-white smoke erupt in the lot, but it's not the car, it's some large piece of equipment next to it. Then fire breaks out all over. There's fire pouring out of a concrete shed near the napping guy. I run to find a water hose, have a little trouble with that, but when I return with the running hose, the guy's on fire. Laying there in flames. He's a gonner for sure.

Just then I look up at the sky and a huge brontosaurus raises his head over the town. The dinosaurs are coming!!! I run around the back of the shed and point the hose through a window, but there’s hardly any fire there. I quench it easily and return to the fried napper. An ambulance has been called, but then I notice a humongous snake. He raises his head like 30 feet over me and then dives to the ground in front of me. He’s huge, his head is the size of a small car (VW Bug). He’s after me and I run for safety looking for some place that huge head couldn’t get into. All I can find is the sun-bleached tangle of trunk and roots of a tree.

It’s not good enough. He bears down on me and I poke his nose with a stick. Funny, his nose is kind of mammal like, dog like? not snake like really. He’s a ruddy brown/black. I poke him but he doesn’t attack or retreat.

I wake up.

[eyeoneblack]

A pic of my sketch is coming, but it will be a few hours. I think renderings are better than words because I look at the sketch and it's not a bike, it could be a lot of things... Says more than words. :)

[eyeoneblack]

It's a lunar lander. No? I'll spin again, Pat. I'll buy an 'e'. :lol:

[Korpo]

Hey, Neil.


i dreamed of my bike. this isn't unusual for me tho. it's a bicycle, not a motorbike, btw.
i rode it into an area that became quicksand. the sand gave way to a space underneath...void. i threw the bike up onto the grass at the side of the sandy area, and proceeded to try to get myself out of the sand. i ended up standing on various plumbing pipes that were in the sand, attached to a kitchen sink, which was dirty and cracked.

strange that there was nothing under the sand. not a hole in the ground or anything...just nothing. not space either. just a sense of nothing. it wasn't scary either. just...inconvenient.

There are two themes of "exposing the underlying" in this dream - the void and the plumbing. Beneath the sand there was nothing - maybe a hint to the underlying mechanisms of dreaming or reality creation - think 3D blackness, for example. And normally you don't get to see "the plumbing" of something. You normally only get to see the plumbing if something breaks. It's one of the things you have to look at when you're looking for a problem.

Given that you have trouble with your bike which has represented your energy body before, and you also get stuck in quicksand here, maybe there's something about the energy body in order to proceed to further growth (the grassy patch you throw your bike on).

The quicksand could also mean "hidden challenge" - at least in the movies they never know there's a problem until they stepped right into the quicksand already.

Cheers,
Oliver

[Sinera]

A pic of my sketch is coming, but it will be a few hours. I think renderings are better than words because I look at the sketch and it's not a bike, it could be a lot of things... Says more than words. :)

e1b,
great, I'm waiting and curious to see it, (it could be relevant!), thanks

okay, dreamonauts,

it is 14 days, two weeks are up...

I will reveal it tomorrow, or at least we will stop tomorrow, I might have to write a long post with the analysis, there's so many points ... it might take me some time (could become Monday)

so the last night is waiting, I would like to ask you, if you want to and feel like doing so, to make a last effort, I will also make one with sending
maybe you could try it with affirmations to see "volgerle's dream symbol" before you go to bed? last effort - last chance for a direct hit, dreamers 8) :wink:

tomorrow, when it's your Sunday, please post your last dreams for this, or anything you might have forgotten from the last 14 days' dreams and could yet be relevant for an "alien" dream sign

at the end please post "I'm ready" or sth similar, and then I know I can reveal it when all are through with it, and finish and post the analysis

(since it takes time, it is possible, of course, then to make a last round of "wild guesses" for the symbol based on the overall content of all dreamers for those who like to do so - feel free :) ,
I still think that it's possible to guess it by combining several dreamers's dream content - including my positive affirmations as to relevant stuff / indirect hits, but maybe it is not as easy as I think it is, as I'm not in your shoes now :wink: )

questions to admin: as I alredy started it I can see it will be a long post (also with lots of pics in it) is there any post size / character amount restrictions so that I might have to split it up in 2 or more posts?

[Mishell]

Can't you just say what the exact dream symbol is instead of all the interpretations? I never read long posts.

[Neil Templar]

Hey, Neil.


i dreamed of my bike. this isn't unusual for me tho. it's a bicycle, not a motorbike, btw.
i rode it into an area that became quicksand. the sand gave way to a space underneath...void. i threw the bike up onto the grass at the side of the sandy area, and proceeded to try to get myself out of the sand. i ended up standing on various plumbing pipes that were in the sand, attached to a kitchen sink, which was dirty and cracked.

strange that there was nothing under the sand. not a hole in the ground or anything...just nothing. not space either. just a sense of nothing. it wasn't scary either. just...inconvenient.

There are two themes of "exposing the underlying" in this dream - the void and the plumbing. Beneath the sand there was nothing - maybe a hint to the underlying mechanisms of dreaming or reality creation - think 3D blackness, for example. And normally you don't get to see "the plumbing" of something. You normally only get to see the plumbing if something breaks. It's one of the things you have to look at when you're looking for a problem.

Given that you have trouble with your bike which has represented your energy body before, and you also get stuck in quicksand here, maybe there's something about the energy body in order to proceed to further growth (the grassy patch you throw your bike on).

The quicksand could also mean "hidden challenge" - at least in the movies they never know there's a problem until they stepped right into the quicksand already.

Cheers,
Oliver

cheers Oliver. yeah, i've been mulling over this one...it's interesting that i actually use the plumbing as a platform to get myself out of the situation.
so, would that represent me developing an understanding of the workings of the situation, and then using the knowledge to get myself out of it?

[Neil Templar]

Can't you just say what the exact dream symbol is instead of all the interpretations? I never read long posts.

hehe, i'm with you Mishell.
getting impatient here... :twisted:

[Korpo]

so, would that represent me developing an understanding of the workings of the situation, and then using the knowledge to get myself out of it?

Yes, that sounds pretty good. :D

Oliver

[Sinera]

Can't you just say what the exact dream symbol is instead of all the interpretations? I never read long posts.

hehe, i'm with you Mishell.
getting impatient here... :twisted:

makes no difference, dream symbol will be unveiled (tomorrow, Sunday) together with the interpretations following BELOW it, so you don't have to read the rest if you don't want to

[eyeoneblack]

I'm quite the artist, yes? :( If a pencil were a piano it'd be a different matter. 8)

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x38/eyeoneblack/Hermetics/wheelofdreams003.jpg

I, for one, am looking forward to your analysis. When I was running the Remote Viewing experiments it was the wrap-up that was the most fun. Can't wait. :P

[eyeoneblack]

i dreamed of my bike. this isn't unusual for me tho. it's a bicycle, not a motorbike, btw.
i rode it into an area that became quicksand. the sand gave way to a space underneath...void. i threw the bike up onto the grass at the side of the sandy area, and proceeded to try to get myself out of the sand. i ended up standing on various plumbing pipes that were in the sand, attached to a kitchen sink, which was dirty and cracked.

strange that there was nothing under the sand. not a hole in the ground or anything...just nothing. not space either. just a sense of nothing. it wasn't scary either. just...inconvenient.

It sounds to me like you're just really frustrated about something. You've tried everything, including the kitchen sink, but there's just nothing there - no solution. You've thrown your vehicle aside, your rationale, and dug for yourself and still found nothing.

The sun'll come up tomorrow - bet your bottom dollar that.... Oh, well, nevermind.

[eyeoneblack]

it's a lobster. Ruddy brown, black when alive, red when cooked, lives on the sandy bottom of the ocean? That's it, stick a fork in me, I'm cooked. :?

[eyeoneblack]

Ok, this is really my last cast. It's an octopus.

I am ever going to look stupid tomorrow. :roll: :lol: :mrgreen:

[Beekeeper]

(since it takes time, it is possible, of course, then to make a last round of "wild guesses" for the symbol based on the overall content of all dreamers for those who like to do so - feel free ,
Some kind of a float in a parade?

[Korpo]

It's a good thing I write my dreams down right after waking up - nearly forgot this: I dreamt of talking on the phone with E1B for some reason. However, somebody wanted to take the phone from me while still talking. On E1B's side a female asked who he was talking to.

Cheers,
Oliver

[Sinera]

I'm quite the artist, yes? :( If a pencil were a piano it'd be a different matter. 8)

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x38/eyeoneblack/Hermetics/wheelofdreams003.jpg

I, for one, am looking forward to your analysis. When I was running the Remote Viewing experiments it was the wrap-up that was the most fun. Can't wait. :P

thanks e1b, interesting, but I need to know one VERY important thing:

is this bird's-eye view, which means from above?
or side profile view?

(ps. please please please say bird's-eye, cuz then it could make some sense :P )

[eyeoneblack]

Yes, the perpespective is from above, as i were sitting on it. :)

[Sinera]

Yes, the perpespective is from above, as i were sitting on it. :)Great. :lol:
(you'll be surprised to see what you were perhaps actually sitting on :wink: )

[eyeoneblack]

It's a good thing I write my dreams down right after waking up - nearly forgot this: I dreamt of talking on the phone with E1B for some reason. However, somebody wanted to take the phone from me while still talking. On E1B's side a female asked who he was talking to.

Cheers,
Oliver

Huh. Maybe I called to tell you I can't find the CD with the music I was talking about on it. As a matter of fact, I only found one CD which I apparently produced just for a band member so he could learn his part. If I can figure out how to upload it I'll send it to you. If it is what I think it is I think you'll dig it. I played a part of it just a few years ago in an outdoor concert. :)

And gosh darn it, I wish there WAS a female here to ask who I'm talking to. I've been feeling a little lonely lately. :( :? 8)

[Neil Templar]

ok, last guess - a man in a top hat!!! :mrgreen:

[Sinera]

ok, last orders were made, drink up, pub is closing now. :wink:
I'll write the analysis now, dunno if I get ready today though.

[Korpo]

Hello, E1B.


If I can figure out how to upload it I'll send it to you.

http://www.mediafire.com/ should do the trick. :)


And gosh darn it, I wish there WAS a female here to ask who I'm talking to. I've been feeling a little lonely lately. :( :? 8)

Maybe I was talking to a luckier future you. ;)

Cheers,
Oliver

[eyeoneblack]

ok, last guess - a man in a top hat!!! :mrgreen:

I've been finding all kinds of coincidences, maybe simply because I've been looking for them. Karen659 has a few images shared by others - e.g. swimming which dovetails nicely with CFTraveler's water world.

Just a few days ago I was telling a co-worker about and idea to dress another co-worker up in a tux 1900s style (w/ a top hat) and use his Rasta-man mug for a poster quoting Thomas Mann from "Magic Mountain" elaborating in his high English the pleasures of a good cigar. He would be smoking, instead, a large doobie and, naturally, making a few emendments to Mann's siliogquy.

Maybe we're actually going to more and more start ticking together (like the putative clocks in the clock shop). :)

[Sinera]

DISCLOSURE

http://www.filefront.com/17161476/DreamSymbol.zip/
password: robertbruce2010

note again on this website the date 31 July 2010 in the details list that cannot be messed with by the uploader, it's the system default on day of upload

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ANALYSIS - FACT SHEET / SUMMARY

remote viewing target / dream telepathy symbol: THE SPHINX OF GIZA

main image sent:
http://www.bilder-hochladen.net/files/8si5-v.jpg

run time: 14 days (2 weeks)

objective:
look for:
A) direct hits, primary and secondary
primary: SPHINX (any sphinx figure or the very Sphinx of Giza)
secondary: PYRAMID(S), EGYPT (both elements are contained in or can be clearly derived by the sent image, that's why they are accepted as secondary direct hits)
B) indirect hits, namely: collaterals, similarities, related symbols and associative overlays. Examples:
cultures similar to Egypt, pyramidal shapes, lions or any feline predators / big cats, desert, Egypt mythology/religion, Egypt/ancient art, River Nile, any other ancient monuments and sculptures, phantasy hybrids, other mythological hybrids (centaurs, mermaids, medusas, etc.), ancient clothing/attire, sculptures, tombs, mummies, etc.

analysis method: qualitative (not quantitiative), relevant participant quotes isolated, with notes beneath it giving my thoughts, research, suggestions, deductions and associative interpretations

results:
A) failed, no direct quote mentioning SPHINX, PYRAMID(S) or EGYPT contained in the dreamer accounts, nor by any guesses made as conclusions from the body of elements
B) successful, very interesting results with indirect elements and many aspects alluding to all of the 3 direct (primary and secondary) hits of category A, including a very close miss with the mentioning of another famous archaic stone-face sculpture and an impressive 'dream remote viewing' sketch. See detailed analysis below

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DETAILED ANALYSIS

Notes:
note 1: quotes are not in order of relevance but in chronological order as I put them there, just one beneath the other, when relevant dreams came in and were documented
note 2: as it is a lot to write, I mainly did this with shorthand notes and headwords; in other words: punctuation and syntax/grammar mainly abrogated - I hope you don't mind, I think it's still clear enough
note 3: take it all with a grain of salt, sometimes I use a lot of the art of „creative associative interpretation“, but we always said we want to have fun, don't we? ;-)

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Neil:

„it is an island, surrounded by seas, beautiful blue water. i come across a library inside, feels like a university/learning place. i see ancient books, legends from ancient civilisations.“

„ANCIENT CIVILISATIONS“ is a hit for pre-historic Egypt in general. Egypt is counted among the great ancient civilisations, some historians consider it the cradle of modern civilisation (next to Mesopotamia), personally, I'm not so sure about this, due to some "legends" of even more "ancient" (advanced) civilisations that might have influenced them or been partly their ancestors.

on first view the connection to „library“ and „water“ does not fit, but a short excursion to historical / archeological and/or „Akashic" knowledge - including the "legends" - will show: it actually could!

WATER:

the Giza plateau is today of course not an island and never was. However, in very ancient times, many thousand years BC, the river Nile flowed very near to it, past the pyramids, so the Giza site was a river bank, and even in our recent history there was still water near it before they built big cities and dams near it, as the first pic documents:

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:_oEvvwpyaw-xQM:http://www.medienwerkstatt-online.de/lws_wissen/bilder/5088-1.jpg

and this is how it might have looked in pre-dynastic and pre-historic times, many thousands of years ago:

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:Nla-Cmig4ZMAbM:http://sentinelkennels.com/GPimages/GreatPyramid1.jpg

Some unorthodox „daring“ researchers with background in engineering (e.g. Kunkel or Waldhauser) even have drawn up theories of an even closer connection between water and the pyramids, esp. the Great Pyramid, the interior design of which looks like a technical building anyway. To them it was sth like water power stations or ramps or pumps, so there is a water-pyramid-giza-plateau association possible, here are website examples of this very interesting theory, worthy for (open-minded non-dogmatic) readers, and they even built miniature models of it that worked!:

http://sentinelkennels.com/Research_Article_V41.html

http://www.linux-host.org/energy/epump.html

http://www.linux-host.org/energy/ebuilt.html

http://www.buch-der-synergie.de/archiv/ ... gesamt.pdf (http://www.buch-der-synergie.de/archiv/waldhauser_gesamt.pdf)

http://www.atlaspub.20m.com/giza/pg5.htm

later I noticed that one of CFTs dreams about a specific building with water pools might contain a connection to this kind of „water machine house“ too, but as there are no further indications as to my symbol, so the connection is very vague indeed, anyway, here is the short passage:

CFTraveler:

„something about different pools needing to be filled, and someone filling them by compartments on the inside making it impossible for people to swim in them.“

viewtopic.php?f=19&t=17866&start=180#p134456 (http://forums.astraldynamics.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=17866&start=180#p134456)

in the model, there are indeed many rooms and compartments with water being pumped and moved along / in and out, and was surely not built for the (pre-)Egyptian folks to be swimming in them ;-)

http://www.linux-host.org/energy/epumpinfo.gif

LIBRARY / PLACE OF LEARNING / ANCIENT BOOKS:

The books / library aspect might refer to an esoteric legend that there's an old library („Hall Of Records“) hidden in a cavity beneath the Sphinx (Atlantis legend, as referenced by E. Cacey) or anywhere in the underground labyrinths of the Giza plateau, which is in the legend said to be vast and to have been a city of its own with many halls, water channels .. and possibly with own „centres of learning“ including libraries.

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Neil:

„a many layered pedestrian city, lots of alleys, and stairways going from streets to courtyards and rooftops. (...) it's a bit like that famous Escher picture, you know, the one with the impossible stairs?
actually, i just looked it up, and the image i'm thinking about is called ASCENDING AND DESCENDING."

with a little fanciful and wilful interpretation, there's a slight archetypical pyramid shape of the „city“ in the picture, it gets thinner and peaked from bottom to the top:

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:fm30c7qhOHIJzM:http://www.mcescher.com/Gallery/recogn-bmp/LW435.jpg

people moving around it might remind one of pictures of the Egyptians on ramps around the structure building the great pyramid (although it is not sure how exactly they built it, for some unorthodox researchers not even WHO built it)

a pyramid's structure is „multi-layered“ too

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Neil:

„a triangle frame made of wood. thru the frame i see a man sitting. the background is white.
then the background changes to a room with four triangular windows behind the man, and the walls are covered in wood paneling.
triangle?“

now ... note three important facts and features about the background windows:

* TRIANGULAR SHAPE
* EQUALLY SHAPED (Neil doesn't mention it but it is my logical assumption)
* THERE'S FOUR OF THEM

now let's take these four equally shaped triangles, and fold them around the man, let the man sit in the middle of a square base on the ground, so we put one of the identically shaped triangles on each side of the square base, then we let them fall onto each other towards the man - resulting in a kind of tent around the man.

Now the million dollar question: what geometrical form do we get?

Exactly...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/91/Pyramid.svg/200px-Pyramid.svg.png

...a standard pyramid shape.

So the 4 triangular windows represent the pyramid's 4 sides - „unfolded“ view

who's the man? two possibilties, or even both - by change of perspective:

1) the man inside the „frame“ might be the dreamer himself sitting in the (unfolded) pyramid, looking outwards through that one frame

2) the man seen „through“ the triangular shape (one side / window) of the pyramd is the visual the dreamer gets by looking out from the pyramid's side/„window“ onto ... yes, the Sphinx! so the „sitting“ man is in fact the (quote Wiki:) „recumbent feline with a human head“

white background behind the man/sphinx could represant the reflections of the sand produced by a glaring desert sun during the day

wood panels cannot be explained, but they may hint to the multi-“layered“ architecture of the pyramid again

last not least: a triangle - although with the top flattened or cut off a bit (which actually makes it rather a symmetrical trapezoid) - might also represent a sphinx's head at frontal view:

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:QjGXqDIrfxeZpM:http://www.guardians.net/egypt/sphinx/images/sphinx_head3-2001.jpg

top flattened or cut off ... um ... wait a moment ... that reminds me of two things

first, the Central/South American pyramids have mostly flat tops, too

second, the next dream ...

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eyeoneblack:

„I take a young man's head (is it still attached to the body?, not sure) and place it on a table ... I slice the top of his head off. ... The head collapses a little when the top is removed. ....“

a young man's head - well, the Sphinx actually HAS / IS A YOUNG MAN'S HEAD (purportedly a pharao's or deity's - although who knows? it also could be a woman, see below!)

... and it IS cut off - well, in a way ...

it is „cut off“ in the production process that involves taking the human head only and „sticking“ it onto top of the body of an animal (cat/lion) to create the artistic image of a mythological hybrid figure

the table (which is then not of further interest in the dream) stands for the sphinx's animal body, a normal table has four legs - like a cat/lion or any feline animal.

the head gets itself cut and so further damaged (top removed) - and the analogy still holds, in two ways:

first, the Sphinx is of course victim of decomposition, decay and erosion through the millenia, and it „lost“ its famous nose (and a beard possibly), so it got - as a well-known matter of fact - further damaged and other elements of it have fallen (or been broken/cut?) off, actually it was even in a worse state in many centuries but got restored many times in different epochs, plus: all the juice and stuff getting out of it might represent the pieces falling off, the decay and erosion, too.

second, as said above, the CUT-OFF TOP of the head might furthermore remind us of the Sphinx's (almost-triangular / trapezoid) face in frontal view, of which one might asume that - next to nose and a possible beard - it has lost lots of his/her top head in the course of history. Another of many facts notoriously ignored by orthodox mainstream science, but not by all:

http://www.robertschoch.net/SUEWcom5A.jpg

http://www.robertschoch.net/Egyptian%20 ... l%20CT.htm (http://www.robertschoch.net/Egyptian%20Mummy%20Women%20Schoch%20Dowell%20CT.ht m)

Schoch is one of the geologists that claims that the Sphinx's body is much older than being carved in Egyptian Dynastic times, the head was worked on quite often, and in many different eras (maybe to adjust it to the rulers?). Besides, he and other scholars even hypothesize that the 'original' Sphinx used to have a lion's head deep down in pre-historic times. So it wasn't a hybrid at all. Who knows? I think they have a point:
„In fact, if you look at the current Great Sphinx you may notice that the head is actually too small for the body. It is clear to me that the current head is not the original head. The original head would have become severely weathered and eroded. It was later re-carved, during dynastic times, and in the re-carving it naturally became smaller. Thus, the head of the Great Sphinx is not the original head. In fact, the Sphinx may not have originally been a sphinx at all. Perhaps it was a male lion.“ - R. Schoch
http://www.robertschoch.com/sphinxcontent.html

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:VHAfpRUXHD1D_M:http://www.robertschoch.com/images/sphinx/sphinxasliondvd1.jpg

one more thing: the different colours you saw (in layers?) on cutting the head up, couldn't the colours also represent a typical Egyptian layered/striped head-wear? needless to say the Sphinx also has one (no colours of course)

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ps5I1aqPlx3SiM:http://www.costumesofnashua.com/CNWebSite105/Active905/Pages/Hat/Ethnic/PicsHEthnic/J22688.jpg http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:LpjqxqnD8NKcTM:http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll257/amethyst_lake/EgyptianQueeninColorGlitter.gif http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:a8mtFBNHi0lf0M:http://paulmolz.com/images/sculpture/EgyptianHead.jpg

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eyeoneblack:

„I receive a bride in an arranged marriage from India. She is young and quite beautiful. Her skin is the color of a well-roasted peanut and I am totally fetched with her.“

a beautiful bride from India, still far away from Egypt, but from the view of the „common Western man“ both India and Egypt can be associated with the magic and the touch of exotic, oriental and ancient civilisations

„In another dream I had a white crocodile with a white snake for a tongue.“

besides the fact that for some people crocodiles alone bear an associative value to the River Nile - and thus Egypt - it is most of all a very strong allusion to Egypt mythology!

both kinds of animals revered by the Egyptians, plus: we have hybrid gods, half-human/half-animal or an animal crossover

human/snakes and human/crocs hybrids often were deities for the Egyptians, for example Sebek and Wadjet:

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:XV3caMsrc0E4XM:http://images.elfwood.com/art/s/r/srehema/sobek.jpg http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:eq8YJJnbC23xPM:http://samaelgnosis.net/imagenes/antropologia/egipcios/sebek.gif http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crocodile_God

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:X-QFAP6QBxmibM:http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_fhVpDW9sV30/STe1HfuhAmI/AAAAAAAABoo/Mx2x3c1OvhY/s320/wadjet.gif http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:b99W9ihra2t7KM:http://www.ladyoftheflame.co.uk/gfx/wadjit1.jpg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wadjet

so, the „crossover element“ as mythological human/animal-intermix is present again, human body with animal head - a famous motif used in abundance in old Greece and Egypt (most famous of them is actually the jackal-headed Horus or the ibis-headed Thoth)

Wadjet sometimes is rendered with lion head, snake top and and human body (second pic) which makes her a "tribrid", Sebek is a hybrid - both are animal heads with human body. the Sphinx has an animal body with human head.

But how about a combination of snake (tongue) and croc? Animal hybrid only? And Egypt? Yes, that can be done!

e1b, are you into toys / action figures? I googled for a croc with a snake tongue and got this .. and even more ! ... there's also a clear a connection to Ancient mythological Egypt again with this „Age Of Pharaos“-series: it is meant to be the Crocodile God „Sobek/Sebek“ again - this time with a snake tongue:

http://www.spawn.com/TOYS/product.aspx?product=3451

http://www.spawn.com/TOYS/spawn/series33/sebek/images/series33_sebek_photo_01_md.jpg

of course, the snake tongue was a fanciful gimmick added by the toy producers to make the figure even more gruesome, but that shall not bother us

question to e1b:
maybe you saw this figure once and your memory or subconscious stored it away under the label Egypt mythology?
or maybe (beware: Esoteric Thinking) the phantasy figure „Egyption Crocodile God with Snake Tongue“ is stored in the Astral too, and you got it from „there“?

Well guys, and if you think that's all and it can't get any weirder .. beware ... it does!
how about combining snakes with WHITE crocodiles and again relate it all to Egypt mythology?

I found this:

[aside note: concededly, this one is a bit of a dubious site, cuz the findings and artifacts are said to be from Virginia! Of course, old out-of-place unexplainable artifacts (plus the many astounding megalith buildings), so called OO-parts, are found everywhere in the world. There are theories and legends of an ancient advanced technology civilisation whose downfall is hard to trace (or not wanted to be traced by some orthodox researchers). However, some links from this site are to a Creationist's website it seems, so caution is advised. Moreover, he gives no credentials about himself or any research organisation, it is just the (arte)facts listed by topic. It could all be a fraud or hoax, let's not get carried away and remain skeptical. On the other hand, we know these legends are not the sole field of Biblical Creationism, but rather the stuff of esoteric legends, theosophical theories, the famous Platonic Atlantis and diverse flood myths. They all are dealing with supposed old advanced civilisations (Atlantis, Mu) too. And many claims about these artifacts are valid in my view. Just the reminder again that we want to have fun, connecting symbols, and thus take what's out there, even if it is from „renegade“ historical theories, so let's take it with a grain of salt, move on and go the whole way now.. ;-) ]

http://www.pangeawv.com/egyptianorigins1.html

„Stand the head of the Crocodile upright and you have THE WHITE CROWN OF EGYPT (...) The Atef Crown also has it's origins in the WHITE CROCODILE. The jaw of the Crocodile creates a COBRA that comes up the sides of the jaw area which are the origins of the symbols on the side of the WHITE CROWN.“

actually, according to orthodox Egyptology, the part of the Cobra was supposed to be taken by Ostrich feathers, no info if the crown itself was supposed to be of a croc-head

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atef

http://www.pangeawv.com/images/100_ATEF_Crown.jpg

so here we have it finally all together with this white „Egyptian Crown“:
Egypt, white crocs and snakes (not as tongue though).

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Beekeeper:

„I look at one and she has a hideously long and square jaw. I could say like "the Elephant Man" but what first comes to mind when I wake to write it down is an Easter Island head.“

The last 3 words EASTER ISLAND HEAD almost knocked me off my chair.

So much parallels between this and the dream target. And now, ladies and gentlemen, the website "harddecision" asks us to take sides - we have the ultimate competition now:

http://www.harddecision.com/images/Sphinx-vs-Moai.jpg
;-)

Just some obvious Moai's (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moai) parallels to the Sphinx :

- ancient / pre-historic monument and cultural artefact, like the sphinx
- huge stone carving / sculpture, like the sphinx
- from an ancient civilisaton, like the sphinx
- still shrouded in mystery, actually both, because ...
- myths & legends attribute the artifacts to descendants from Atlantis or any other lost civilisation, these survivors of that cataclysm (about >10.000 BC) are also said to have gone to prehistoric area of the later Egypt
- focus is mainly on the stone „head/face“ aspect, like the sphinx
- plus: some moais are/have almost „heads only“, the sphinx was over many centuries buried deep in the sand with just the head and neck sticking out (compare picture from 1867 below)
- with a large prominent jaw like the now beardless Sphinx
- not certainly known who really created it - and when (like the sphinx who is said by unorthodox researchers, esp. geologists, to be much older than traditional egyptology wants to see it fixed according to their dogma)
- of cultural and archeological artifacts both are among the most famous „cult“ objects for tourists
- the website harddecision.com (which I did not know before finding it by google when researching this) makes a direct duel-like comparison of the two (see pic above) ... wow, if that doesn't do the rest what else? ;-)

compare visuals, esp. the profiles:

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:KT_eVsAay9b9tM:http://farm1.static.flickr.com/1/624743_15debb4e48.jpg?v=0 http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:vd0WkQrObHPM8M:http://www.geraldbrimacombe.com/Egypt/Egypt%20-%20Sphinx%20profile%20tight%20Hz.jpg http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:L65fl1sw7LHGuM:http://www.way2egypt.com/img/Great_Sphinx_1867.jpg http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:w5B2SgtXRab6KM:http://oscarferrari.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/176578-moai-at-rano-raraku-rapa-nui-5.jpg

Of course, it should be noted that the Sphinx's jaw is not THAT ugly and long, but still the many similarities outweigh it all.

This is a „near hit / close miss“. No interpretation needed anymore. Amazing.

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eyeoneblack:

„sandy color and something about electricity/source of energy/earth/ground(ing)“

sandy colour --> sand --> desert --> Egypt

electricity / source of energy / grounding --> electricity from the ground (meaning earth -- meaning sand covered desert earth?)?

interesting association again!

there is of course another alternative theory about the Great Pyramid (and even more daring than the water pump station!) that deals with the technical conversion of seismic vibrations (thus earth energy) gathered by pyramidal structures, via some other technological gadgets into ... electricity

Tesla or Dunn are names to be mentioned:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/13030581/Tesla-and-pyramid

http://www.gizapower.com/

http://www.mysteriousworld.com/Journal/ ... er/Osiria/ (http://www.mysteriousworld.com/Journal/2003/Summer/Osiria/)

quote from last website:

„The first and most important part of the process is the tapping of earth's limitless supply of seismic energy, which creates the majority of the power plant's power. The Great Pyramid, as many researchers have discovered, was built with a degree of architectural precision that is unmatched even today. The perfectly squared base, oriented perfectly towards the four cardinal directions, is the aspect of the building that is perhaps the most commented-upon feature of the pyramid. What is less well known is the fact that the pyramid is not perfectly flat on the bottom, as one might expect. Instead, it is built upon an outcropping of limestone, the first few courses of stone built around the mound and later covering over it. This is important, as we shall see.
Dunn believes that the Great Pyramid was designed to be what is called a "coupled oscillator" with the Earth. A coupled oscillator is a device that is designed to allow the vibratory energy of one vibrating object to be picked up by a connected object so as to transfer the vibratory energy from the first object to the second object — in this case, from the Earth to the Great Pyramid. This is why the pyramid was not built upon a flat surface, but incorporates part of the Earth into its superstructure — the earth is effectively "coupled" with the Great Pyramid, allowing Earth's natural tectonic vibrations to easily pass into the pyramid. As Dunn explains, "Covering a large land area, the Great Pyramid is, in fact, in harmonic resonance with the vibration of the Earth — a structure that could act as an acoustical horn for collecting, channeling, and/or focusing terrestrial vibration."

one more thought on these 'crazy' (?) theories (water station, electrical power plant):
I have read some material about these fascinating alternative / esoteric history topics (pre-Dynastic Egypt, Atlantis, Lemuria, etc) a while ago. I might have sent these ideas and concepts along with the image subconciously, that's another explanation next to a general direct Akashic information download by the dreamer.

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Beekeeper:

„There's also the similarity of potentially dark skin/exotic origins. The girls in my sitcom were African American, Richard's was Indian.“

not a new dream but another important addition (African American / Black girls, compared to Richards darker-skinned Indian girls) and a good guess. „EXOTIC ORIGIN“ was my same conclusion after e1b's first mentioning of the Indian bride with regard to possible connections to „my“ Egyptian woman/man/lion/cat sculpture.

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eyeoneblack:

„her upper lip was starting to protrude like too much of injections that women are getting to get the pouty look (the area beneath the nose was starting to curl up) and under the nose a dark line of a black moustache seemed to be forming.“

looked at least a bit like this?

http://www.bilder-hochladen.net/files/8si5-x.jpg

most parts of the Sphinx' face are heavily decayed and decaying, also the area above the mouth (of course, since the nose is lost, we cannot say under the nose)

the mouth itself is still sufficiently recognizable, and it has indeed some „POUTY lips“, which also indicates - like other facial features analysed by experts - traces of AFRICAN („black“) ORIGIN, orthodox Egyptology still does not like this association, but it is a fact more and more confirmed by a lot of anthropologists and ethnologists

depending on the way shadows are falling, one might detect a moustache above the mouth, at least with a little fancy

however, it must be noted in all fairness and to remain truthful, that the Sphinx has (due to ethnological origin) a more protuding jaw than upper mouth part. again, have a look here at Schoch's analysis, if you are interested:

http://www.robertschoch.net/Egyptian%20 ... l%20CT.htm (http://www.robertschoch.net/Egyptian%20Mummy%20Women%20Schoch%20Dowell%20CT.ht m)

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Mishell:

„I dreamed about a dark skinned man this week.“

the exotic person / dark skin topic continues

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Mishell

„There were lots of Sesame Street people there.“

Question: what are Sesame street people? Answer: they are Muppets.

Question: What are Muppets? Answer (copied from Wikipedia, bolds mine):
„Muppets may represent humans, anthropomorphic animals, realistic animals, robots, anthropomorphic objects, extraterrestrial creatures, mythical beings or other unidentified, newly imagined creatures, monsters, or abstract characters.“

so they are mostly „anthropomorphic“ (= human-like, humanised, human-shaped) animal puppets, which means they are animals (e.g. frog Kermit, pig Miss Piggy) in a „humanized“ bipedal body talking like and behaving like humans, some are also mythical beings

so we can easily discover another „hybrid“ aspect again, note again: the sphinx is a hybrid (human-lion) = anthropomorphic animal and a kind of mythical being as well.

“It’s been 500 years!”

this reference to old times or long lasting periods into the past is, concededly, a weak connection, but it is one.

well, if you add another 0 to the number 500, then you could have almost the „offical“ age of the Sphinx by orthodox and conservative Eyptology, which attributes the Sphinx's beginning life-span to pharao Khafre's age

( However, als already mentioned above, it might be older, much older. For anyone interested:
http://mgu.bg/geoarchmin/naterials/64Manichev.pdf
http://www.robertschoch.com/articles/sc ... ne2009.pdf (http://www.robertschoch.com/articles/schochnewdawnjune2009.pdf)
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/archi ... sphinx.pdf (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/archivos_pdf/message_sphinx.pdf))

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Beekeeper:

„the dream symbol is a tribal mask of some kind“

http://www.google.com.au/images?hl=en&b ... =&gs_rfai= (http://www.google.com.au/images?hl=en&biw=1094&bih=571&gbv=2&tbs=isch%3A1&sa=1&q=tribal+mask&aq=f&aqi=g5g-m2&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=)
http://www.google.com.au/images?um=1&hl ... a&gs_rfai= (http://www.google.com.au/images?um=1&hl=en&client=safari&rls=en&biw=1094&bih=571&tbs=isch%3A1&sa=1&q=african+masks&aq=0&aqi=g1g-s1g8&aql=&oq=african+ma&gs_rfai=)

„TRIBAL / AFRICAN MASK“ is a good guess. Of course one can view the Sphinx' face as a kind of mask (with african origin!) too. The association between a tribal mask and the ancient/pre-historic stone face sculptures (maoi, sphinxes) is more than obvious to make. Some of the masks (see links given by Beek) even look a bit sphinx-like.

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eyeoneblack:

„Ceasar salad is made with romaine lettuce - is there something Roman to the Volgerle's symbol?“

well, again: not directly, but indirectly: of course!

Caesar and the Romans occupied and partly ruled Egypt, Caesar purportedly had something going on with beautiful Cleopatra then - at least in the realm of literary and phantasy romance. Well, we all know the more or less historic stuff that we learned in school and history books and that even Hollywood adapted for its movies.

moreover the Sphinx was a cultural icon also for the Romans

"When Rome ruled Egypt the Sphinx was stamped on coins: Tiberius, Caligula, Claudius, Hadrian, and Domitian minted Sphinxes. Augustus briefly used a signet ring engraved with a Sphinx to sign his letters and edicts."

http://books.google.de/books?id=LfZMEGA ... nx&f=false (http://books.google.de/books?id=LfZMEGAlqSwC&pg=PA171&dq=Book+of+the+Sphinx+Rome+Egypt+Sphinx&hl=de&ei=x3xpTJeNDMyNjAfL4LnUBA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CC4Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Book%20of%20the%20Sphinx%20Rome%20Egypt%20Sphinx&f=false)

there are also literary and drama (playwriting) connections between Caesar, Cleo and the Sphinx.
maybe you read or saw this play once?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caesar_and ... %28play%29 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caesar_and_Cleopatra_%28play%29)

„Act I opens with Cleopatra sleeping between the paws of a Sphinx. Caesar, wandering lonely in the desert night, comes upon the sphinx and speaks to it profoundly.“

So it's a good indirect hit and valid association made, even though the truly incidental appearance via a type of salad waiting to be served (which hasn't anything further to do with the main dream) is indeed a bit funny.
On the other hand, exactly your filtering out this trivial side-event of your heavy motorcycle dream and relating it to my symbol is more than remarkable. but how about the motorcycle dream before it anyway? let's have a look:

„The bike is like a chopper with a long extension to the front wheel, but it's not a wheel. the image of it is very vivid and I just took some time to sketch it. There seems to be something significant about it in my imagination.
The bike is of very heavy construction and the extension to the front 'wheel' is like 8 feet long and made of 3" pipe or more and the 'engine' is likewise massive. Rather than a wheel, however, there was a vacuum sweeper casing (like the big chrome one Grandma had) and I think there were wheels inside it. It was cast iron though.
The 'engine' was so large one couldn't really straddle it and it was enclosed - like a huge egg. The bike was two-tone, light gray and pastel green.“

The description of the gigantic motorcycle too huge to straddle it, is also interesting.

a motorcycle outline / rough shape might even resemble a bit that of a sphinx in profile. the hugeness and impracticability to really mount and drive it might also hint to the fact that it is maybe not really a motorcycle at all. the wheels inside in the enclosure might look like the Sphinx' legs when in its typical lying position?

after e1b's aerial view rough sketch, it makes sense to compare it to the Sphinx, also in bird's-eye view:

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x38/eyeoneblack/Hermetics/wheelofdreams003.jpg

http://www.suzar.com/BOTW/botw-otherpics/sphinx2.jpg

I used a little graphics program to superimpose the objects (not really professionally looking, I know) with e1bs sketch stretched and hence thinned just a tiny little bit to fit the length of the other picture better, but it does not change the overall outcome::

http://www.bilder-hochladen.net/files/big/8si5-y.jpg

and behold: the objects COINCIDE ALMOST PERFECTLY! (note that remote viewing sketches are always only very "sketchy" and purley schematic renderings of an object or an entire scene/environment)

just take a look at the big "tail" / "bottom", the relatively thin and long body getting a bit broader upwards to the "shoulders", the round "egg"/"head", the "wings" coming from it at each side might represent the Egyptian "headwear". alternatively, it is the "paws", but the "paws" could also be represented by the "open-circle / bent lines" going outfrom the "head/egg" (another possibilty: the "curved lines" already insinuate and enclose the "sanctuary" before the Sphinx- which makes the "side-wings" the "paws" again)

e1b, it might be that you actually wanted to straddle the Sphinx and take this poor ol' lazy lion out for a ride, doesn't surprise me that it actually didn't want to move at all ;-) :mrgreen:

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Neil:

„the sand gave way to a space underneath...void. (...) strange that there was nothing under the sand. not a hole in the ground or anything...just nothing. not space either. just a sense of nothing. it wasn't scary either. just...inconvenient.“

so it is SAND again, and a VOID or EMPTINESS under it, and it causes „inconvenience“ ...

a „void“ under the sand might symbolise the fact that the Giza plateau (and Egypt in general) still bears many „underground“ secrets to be found, secrets and „knowledge voids“ might also be, as you say, „inconvenient“

so the void possibly just symbolises the „unknown“ (still buried under the sand, in the ground/earth)

or maybe the void under the sand even refers more literally to the „holes“ where we could find many archeological artefacts. Edgar Cacey said there was a CAVITY under the Sphinx, where we also find many more secret corridors, causeways, in the surroundings.

It was confrmed many times by different groups of independent researchers via radar / sonar etc. and some archeological drillings that there are indeed many cavities still to be examined. I think that Zahi Hawass (quote: 'there is absolutely nothing under the sphinx') isn't telling us the truth anyway.

„During the seismic studies we also discovered clear evidence of a cavity or chamber under the left paw of the Sphinx. For what it is worth, some have suggested to me that this may be a "Hall of Records" (at the time I was not aware of Edgar Cayce's predictions along these lines). Additionally, we found some lesser (and previously known) cavities under and around the Sphinx, and the data also indicates that there may be a tunnel-like feature running the length of the body.“ - R. Schoch
http://www.robertschoch.com/sphinxcontent.html

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eyeoneblack:

"the landscape is arid and flat"

like Egypt ;)

"two heads that are slick representations of him but with black shiny hair like my laptop. His face is a porcelin white and his upper lip is curled up. Two hi-tech versions of his head looking at each other like one looking in a mirror."

so again, a "head only" representation of a person, plus: a curled up upper lip.
two faces facing each other, well, it's not quite like the sphinx pairs in some hieroglyphic representations, who look in different directions, but at least, it is two:

http://www.catchpenny.org/images/stele2.gif

however, the Liberty Memorial in Kansas has two Sphinxes facing each other, although they are veiled, but that exactly makes them appear even "slicker", much more than the original decayed and eroded Sphinx, and in broad daylight they shine in (almost porcelaine) white

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:cykD14aOEj_lXM:http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/27/Liberty_Memorial_2008_Sphinxes.jpg http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:z7ye02wEGUIlKM:http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_z0bxGO2VfnE/SPnVF9hB6aI/AAAAAAAAAVY/WVTkcY_FJLw/s400/Sphinx.JPG

ever been there or seen pictures of them?

"The lips on the head don't move and it makes no facial expressions, we just hear him talk to us."

another aspect of a rather rigid and immobile "stone" sculpture, same applies to the horse:

"a horse that talks (...) but the voice doesn't come from the horse, like the head, we just hear her."

and of course, we have another talking animal - another anthropomorphism (grrr.. how I dislike to write this word, makes knots in my fingers on the keyboard ;-))

"latest and greatest fur coat (...) It is the buff/sandy color I've mentioned before"

a fur hints to an animal. sandy colour might again refer to the desert sand as before, or to the Giza Sphinx itself, it has a sandy colour on many daylight pics

"then I notice a humongous snake. (...) Funny, his nose is kind of mammal like, dog like? not snake like really. He’s a ruddy brown/black. I poke him but he doesn’t attack or retreat."

another animal hybrid featuring here (dog/snake)

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CONCLUSION

The experiment failed in terms of Category A) since no direct hits (SPHINX, EGYPT, PYRAMIDS) were made. A DIRECT HIT for me really would be the "LITERAL MENTION" of the words "sphinx", "Egpyt" or "pryramid(s)" in the dreamers' accounts - which did not take place. Nevertheless, that does not lead me to a negative overall conclusion because Category B) has too many impressive indirect/almost hits and indications as to the above-mentioned 'direct target triad' that cannot be dismissed as pure accident.

The question (which can only be answerd by the dreamers individually) is, how likely is it that in the course of 14 days of my sending the dream symbol/target (or: how frequently at all) do you dream of elements such as e.g.: mythologically relevant snake-tongued white crocs, unfolded pyramid / triangle shapes, morphed and morphing stone faces, archeological artifacts (Eastern Island), exotic faces and persons, ancient civilisations, Romans, anthropomorphical animals (puppets, hybrids), sandy environments giving away (secrets) beneath your feet, etc....
(I would never dream of these things as I remember so far, and I am recording dreams for a bit more than a year now, but every person's dream world is a bit differernt of course, I admit mine is not really vivid regarding these elements. Some have more vivid dreams, so every dreamer must answer this question for him/herself)

Although I did not want to give a quantitative assessment (which isn't possible anyway), I would again, like before, rate the result for myself in estimated percentage probabilty.

I would say after all, the likeliness that dream telepathy took place, with regard to the body of evidence constituted by the many Category B elements, amounts for me to approx.: 70-80% (--> 75%)

For those who think it's too conservative or cautious: I don't want that we delude ourselves. We should stay open-mindedly skeptical and never 'over-interpret' the results and make them fit too much because we would WISH them to be. Yes, this experiment run yielded strong results in Category B, but we must not forget that no direct hit was made, which is still the prime target of a dream experiment. Anyway, 75% is a great number still.
For those who think it's still too optimistic and high: C'mon, let us have our fun, okay? ;-)

To sum up, it is a smashing result!

Dear Dreamonauts: Congrats, you have really performed outstandingly well! I'm impressed.

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I'm out of here for the time being, it was fun but nevertheless now it's me who needs a break from this exercise. Of course, I will once in a while read in this thread and I am now also curious to read your impressions and comments on this result, should you have any. Maybe there is even more facts overlooked by me or there's sth relevant you might have dreamt in any relation to the target and forgotten to tell or just now comes to your mind?

All the best wishes & see yah soon (in my dreams? ;-)),
Volgerle